The Minimum Wage: What's the Big Deal?

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Seriously, why pick up a trade that's actually useful like welding or working in manufacturing when you can flip burgers, screw it up, and get similar money?
 
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What do all those people who work call centers think will happen when the company they're working for can hire Dinesh Patel in India to do his job for a fraction of the cost? What do they think will happen when entry level positions in manufacturing make stateside manufacturing more uncompetitive? Apparently what happened in Detroit wasn't enough of a lesson for these people who have no simple grasp of global economics?
 
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Global economics is not a level playing field. Foreign governments are messing around in private business and destroying that notion.

Every government across the globe, whether local or state, is subsidizing businesses to keep their people employed. We're not as aggressive as some.
 
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LouderVol said:
Haven't read, but nope. Can't minimize people. If they can do the job they deserve fair pay.
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It's really an argument against the minimum wage. They say that the minimum wage causes these people to be unemployed. Otherwise, the could find some paying jobs, commensurate to their abilities.
 
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Godfatha said:
So what happens when unskilled labor is making the minimum wage at $15/hour and skilled labor is just making slightly over?
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Kiosks are installed at fast food restaurants to take orders. The one time cost up front vs the perpetual payment of an artificially high wage will replace these workers. Unless strict govt control over businesses were to be imposed, the minimum wage is mostly irrelevant. Market forces eventually solve issues through technology and innovation to re-establish an equilibrium.
 
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golfballs said:
It's really an argument against the minimum wage. They say that the minimum wage causes these people to be unemployed. Otherwise, the could find some paying jobs, commensurate to their abilities.
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went back and read it. and while it does argue that I don't think it is still a fair point to make it. No minimum wage think of the retards. hyperbole on my part but that is what it boils down to.

minimum wage was put in place because Huff's utopia of whatever wage the market would take lead us to this. People will always take lower if it keeps their job. after a point they are being taken advantage of and the free market does and did nothing to correct it. hence the government stepping in with minimum wages. We act as if the government pulls this crap out of its rear, and sometimes it does, but generally the government isnt going to do anything until we the people make it a priority. a fair wage was something we made a priority after the entire history of a free(r) market did not.

now if you want to argue for a lower minimum wage, absolutely go ahead, no argument here.
 
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LouderVol said:
Haven't read, but nope. Can't minimize people. If they can do the job they deserve fair pay.
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They are paid a prorated share. We have a facility for IDD people here and they had a recycling sorting facility here that provided jobs for them. They sorted the items by hand. They would have non IDD people sort and compared that to IDD people doing the same work. If a "regular" person did 10 units of work and the IDD person did 7, they paid them 70% of the prevailing wage.

The Feds shut the recylcing down because they said it isn't good for IDD people to be working like this, they need jobs out in the community. So instead of having jobs that give them purpose and money in their pocket, they are unemployed. They could walk 25 feet to work, now they have to figure out how to ride the bus or find someone to take them. And when it comes down to it if you have to pay two people the same wage but one does 30% less work, who are you going to pick?
 
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The Federal minimum wage hasn't been rainsed since Jan 2009. Several states have raised the minimum wage to over $8 or $9 per hour. What'sw wrong with raising it by July to no less than $9.50 or $10 per hour. Know that by 2019 or 2020 California and New York are raising it to $12 or $13 or maybe $14 per hour. These are some of the states where the cost of living is high. The states are Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York.
I know raising the wages will increase cost. How much effect will it have on job losses. Fast food workers want $15 per hour. BS. Don't deserve it!
 
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TennFan said:
The Federal minimum wage hasn't been rainsed since Jan 2009. Several states have raised the minimum wage to over $8 or $9 per hour. What'sw wrong with raising it by July to no less than $9.50 or $10 per hour. Know that by 2019 or 2020 California and New York are raising it to $12 or $13 or maybe $14 per hour. These are some of the states where the cost of living is high. The states are Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York.
I know raising the wages will increase cost. How much effect will it have on job losses. Fast food workers want $15 per hour. BS. Don't deserve it!
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Not knocking you but you bring up some good points. Why not $15? Or would $16.73 work better? How about $50 or $60. Why not $1000? Wouldn't that make everyone rich? Labor is a commodity that has a market value that is determined by the free market. The government setting a minimum wage distorts the market by decreasing the amount of labor and increasing barriers to market entry. If you're for minimum wage you are saying that two consenting parties are not free to provide a service at any price they agree.
 
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midnight orange said:
Not knocking you but you bring up some good points. Why not $15? Or would $16.73 work better? How about $50 or $60. Why not $1000? Wouldn't that make everyone rich? Labor is a commodity that has a market value that is determined by the free market. The government setting a minimum wage distorts the market by decreasing the amount of labor and increasing barriers to market entry. If you're for minimum wage you are saying that two consenting parties are not free to provide a service at any price they agree.
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If you are for work place safety regulations you are saying that two consenting parties are not free to provide a service at any risk they agree.
 
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TennFan said:
The Federal minimum wage hasn't been rainsed since Jan 2009. Several states have raised the minimum wage to over $8 or $9 per hour. What'sw wrong with raising it by July to no less than $9.50 or $10 per hour. Know that by 2019 or 2020 California and New York are raising it to $12 or $13 or maybe $14 per hour. These are some of the states where the cost of living is high. The states are Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York.
I know raising the wages will increase cost. How much effect will it have on job losses. Fast food workers want $15 per hour. BS. Don't deserve it!
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In these fast food workers defense, minimum wage in 2017 doesn't go as far as minimum wage in 1964 or prior did. The problem is that our money has gotten worth less over time.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
They are paid a prorated share. We have a facility for IDD people here and they had a recycling sorting facility here that provided jobs for them. They sorted the items by hand. They would have non IDD people sort and compared that to IDD people doing the same work. If a "regular" person did 10 units of work and the IDD person did 7, they paid them 70% of the prevailing wage.

The Feds shut the recylcing down because they said it isn't good for IDD people to be working like this, they need jobs out in the community. So instead of having jobs that give them purpose and money in their pocket, they are unemployed. They could walk 25 feet to work, now they have to figure out how to ride the bus or find someone to take them. And when it comes down to it if you have to pay two people the same wage but one does 30% less work, who are you going to pick?
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like I said if they can do the job. also as long as their bottom is minimum wage I don't care that they are getting paid less as long as it is that understanding that it is because they can do less. However in that situation was the proration(word?) done on a individual basis?

i think ultimately its a judgement call on what is better for them. I don't know many people with mental handicaps but some of the ones I know would accept some conditions because they are told its normal and they don't know the difference.

again if we have rules saying everyone should be treated the same, everyone should be treated the same. otherwise you are giving leniency for those with power (government or corporations) to go down a slipperly slope with what rights/pay/etc we individually deserve.
 
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hog88 said:
Raising the minimum wage isn't going to help those who earn it. Most all union contracts have automatic escalators tied to the minimum wage, so almost everything we buy goes up right along with it.
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Nike and clothing designers have their products made paying slave labor wages.They price them as though they paid union wages.Greed. Still plenty of profit while raising people out of poverty. There should be a global minimum wage. Poor people can't afford to buy the exports of other countries.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Nike and clothing designers have their products made paying slave labor wages.They price them as though they paid union wages.Greed. Still plenty of profit while raising people out of poverty. There should be a global minimum wage. Poor people can't afford to buy the exports of other countries.
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The problem with that is that you assume that every region earns a similar amount of money for a similar job.

Buy a 2000 sq ft house in middle Mississippi and the same house in Los Angeles. One costs $125k and the other $800k. Should the minimum wage be the same in both places?
 
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orangeluvr said:
Nike and clothing designers have their products made paying slave labor wages.They price them as though they paid union wages.Greed. Still plenty of profit while raising people out of poverty. There should be a global minimum wage. Poor people can't afford to buy the exports of other countries.
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A rising tide lifts all boats. Artificially inflating wages in an attempt to "end poverty" simply inflates product prices. The poor are still poor, their dollar is just worth less than it was.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Nike and clothing designers have their products made paying slave labor wages.They price them as though they paid union wages.Greed. Still plenty of profit while raising people out of poverty. There should be a global minimum wage. Poor people can't afford to buy the exports of other countries.
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Slave wages is a contradiction in terms and furthermore, people working in overseas Nike factories are doing so because that is the best option they have. Unfortunately, western do- gooders want to take that option away because it doesn't live up to their idea of equity.

What some don't understand is that life in these third world countries is a miserable existence rife with hunger, disease, crime and an early death. Nike affords them the opportunity to put food on their table consistently and avoid other occupations such as childhood prostitution. Well meaning but naive westerners would end this.

Also, complaining that greed exists is like complaining about rain or oxygen.
 
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midnight orange said:
Slave wages is a contradiction in terms and furthermore, people working in overseas Nike factories are doing so because that is the best option they have. Unfortunately, western do- gooders want to take that option away because it doesn't live up to their idea of equity.

What some don't understand is that life in these third world countries is a miserable existence rife with hunger, disease, crime and an early death. Nike affords them the opportunity to put food on their table consistently and avoid other occupations such as childhood prostitution. Well meaning but naive westerners would end this.

Also, complaining that greed exists is like complaining about rain or oxygen.
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What a smoking crock of bull$h!t. Greed. Greed. Greed.
 
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