Stop Looking For the Hot New Thing...

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uncle chewii said:
No I get he had 10 win at Lambuth and Arkansas State but we aren't playing in those conferences and you have to admit they do have lesser talent than even our lower tier programs. Lambuth is a small conference and Arkansas St is sunbelt and no win against top 25 teams. I am judging him on his SEC experience since he has been an SEC coach. Everyone is saying SEC experience and he has that and his SEC resume is not impressive enough to say he can do it here since he has to play those same teams he coached against. Go look at his record for top 25 sec teams wins in which we play every year.
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Hugh Freeze would have plenty of resources here at Tennessee to win big.
 
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So we shouldn’t look for a Freeze or Campbell? Guys who are established themselves as really good X’s and O’s Coaches. Guys who have proven they can develop talent.

Nah. Instead we should go with yet another career coordinator hire. Is that what I am reading here?
 
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uncle chewii said:
No I get he had 10 win at Lambuth and Arkansas State but we aren't playing in those conferences and you have to admit they do have lesser talent than even our lower tier programs. Lambuth is a small conference and Arkansas St is sunbelt and no win against top 25 teams. I am judging him on his SEC experience since he has been an SEC coach. Everyone is saying SEC experience and he has that and his SEC resume is not impressive enough to say he can do it here since he has to play those same teams he coached against. Go look at his record for top 25 sec teams wins in which we play every year.
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He won 10 games and the Sugar Bowl at Ole Miss, you're totally missing the point. Tennessee has far greater resources than Ole Miss. Ole Miss is the equivalent of South Carolina
 
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When I read the headline I thought this was going to be a new "Girls Of" type thread. I'm very disappointed.....
 
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Every school has "resources". Ole Miss did hire Kiffin and we hired Pruitt so I could say their "resources are better than ours" since we have to settle on a Coordinator first HC gig. Our "resources" are not the same as they were in the 90's. The problem is everyone wanting to hire a hot name or look at a coach that is winning in a lower conference at a high percentage and saying oh he is the guy. You have to take facts and look at them. Freeze is the hot name right now because he is winning at Liberty.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
He won 10 games and the Sugar Bowl at Ole Miss, you're totally missing the point. Tennessee has far greater resources than Ole Miss. Ole Miss is the equivalent of South Carolina
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Ole Miss is not the Equivalent of South Carolina there bud. Ole Miss has won SEC championships and National titles in football. Yes it may have been in the 40's-60's but they have a tradition of winning.
 
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uncle chewii said:
Ole Miss is not the Equivalent of South Carolina there bud. Ole Miss has won SEC championships and National titles in football. Yes it may have been in the 40's-60's but they have a tradition of winning.
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Lol they're the equivalent of South Carolina, they have limited resources. You still don't get it which leads me to believe you never will, bud.
 
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dcibrando said:
except the game has changed in the SEC and its more about offense now
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It's about both, without a very good defense you aren't going to win it either. And if you cannot run and pass you aren't going to win it either. Without hosses at the LOS you aren't going to win it either. Butch tried the spread with smaller weaker lineman and got butt whipped. You have to be a total package. Bama and Georgia still have power runners and can run the ball, it isn't just all pass happy. One of the main reasons I think Bama will beat Florida, they are a more balanced attack and it will wear on Florida. They will make UF one dimensional. I also think Bama has a overall better defense. Yes teams throw more, but this is still a LOS league and that isn't going to change. We need more powerful backs, backs that are strong and fast. Gray is very good but neither him nor chandler got the power running game that is needed. Gray is needed, we just need a power guy with him. Hopefully Evans an Brown can compliment him. Our recievers quit on routes and don't get off blocks nearly good enough. We got a toughness problem, especially on offense. We have no bell cow DOGS! We have no senior leadership at all, again I think that is one of our biggest problems. Hopefully some leaders will emerge from our younger guys, we need some dogs. We are a bland team right now and that has to change. GBO!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So we shouldn’t look for a Freeze or Campbell? Guys who are established themselves as really good X’s and O’s Coaches. Guys who have proven they can develop talent.

Nah. Instead we should go with yet another career coordinator hire. Is that what I am reading here?
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No, I think you get the best coach you can get. I actually like Matt Campbell quite a bit. I’m just suggesting that the order of operations should be- championship coach, program custodian til you can get a championship coach. Of course, this is the type of logic and commitment to program that would have needed to be in place back when we fired Fulmer for a teenage dirtbag.
 
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Gary Patterson from TCU would fit this mold perfectly. Proven winner that has peaked given the resources and talent available at TCU. Give him a shot to move up and see what he can do here.
 
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i don't think people realize that coaches don't want the Tennessee job and that's why we end up with who we end up with.
 
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uncle chewii said:
Ole Miss is not the Equivalent of South Carolina there bud. Ole Miss has won SEC championships and National titles in football. Yes it may have been in the 40's-60's but they have a tradition of winning.
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Ole Miss has never been to Atlanta.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
i don't think people realize that coaches don't want the Tennessee job and that's why we end up with who we end up with.
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Brian Kelly and Gary Patterson both wanted the job. We hired Kiffin and Dooley. It's nothing to do with someone wanting the job, we have no one with talent to identify good coaches.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Brian Kelly and Gary Patterson both wanted the job. We hired Kiffin and Dooley. It's nothing to do with someone wanting the job, we have no one with talent to identify good coaches.
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they wanted the job when they would've been called "google coaches" on here. No one established wants this job, you have to gamble on assistants and G5 coaches because that's all that will entertain the position.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Ole Miss has never been to Atlanta.
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He's using the same ludicrous argument people used against Mullen. Except Freeze actually beat Saban and owned Mullen and Smart. Why would we want a coach that can take a bottom third level SEC team and beat the three rival head coaches we have to beat? It's Tennessee logic.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
they wanted the job when they would've been called "google coaches" on here. No one established wants this job, you have to gamble on assistants and G5 coaches because that's all that will entertain the position.
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They were dominating the G5 level at Urban Meyer rates. Far from Google coaches unless someone just doesn't watch football at all. Regardless of that though, a "Google" coach is fine if you actually hire a successful one. That comes down to no one in our searches having a clue about how to do that.

It's not terribly hard though, coaches who rebuild bad teams then win at historical levels at lower tier programs over a long period of time are usually good coaches. Kelly was a master at it. It doesn't guarantee success at the next level but they probably work out better than random coordinator hires, guys who never had to rebuild and guys who actually had bad or losing HC records.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Ole Miss has never been to Atlanta.
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Know your facts before you post...
Here are the Ole Miss stats as a football team history. "The Ole Miss football program has claimed three national championships (1959, 1960 and 1962), six Southeastern Conference titles (1947, 1954, 1955, 1960, 1962, and 1963), and one SEC Western Division title (2003), produced 58 first-team All-Americans and 177 first-team All-SEC selections, appeared in 37 bowl games with 24 wins, and sent more than 300 players into the professional ranks." 2003 was their most recent SEC West Division title so yes they have been to Atlanta and yes this program has a respectable history.
 
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