Stick With Pruitt

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volsportsfan said:
@Behr I would be interested to see that scenario/question in it's own thread with a poll.
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Haha, I thought about it but I'd want it to be public, but if you do that, I don't think many participate. I mean, I know it hasn't been long, but you are the only one that's even acknowledged that post. I don't think its kwinky dink. Lol.

You are welcome to though.
 
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volsportsfan said:
I don't know what strategy we have imployed previously. Fired fulmer and now looking back, maybe not a good move, I don't know. Kiffin ditched us. Dooley probably deserved it ( to be fired ) and so did Butch.

This thread is about this particular coaching hire. Pruitt. His relative inexperience and giving him extra time.

Yes, I'm an advocate of giving any coach sufficient time, but that time given is different for each coach based on previous experience. That is what the evidence suggests in my opinion
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So then Tennessee went out and got a guy so green in your opinion that he needs around 10 years just to get up to speed? If that’s the case the administration should be tarred, feathered and run out of Knoxville forever.
 
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Alex10 said:
So then Tennessee went out and got a guy so green in your opinion that he needs around 10 years just to get up to speed? If that’s the case the administration should be tarred, feathered and run out of Knoxville forever.
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In an 8 to 10 year frame, the man needs to have us an sec title, or have one heck of an excuse as to why not. An excuse that even the vast majority of the fan base would agree with. Something like, his projected 1st round draft pick QB gets hurt. Top 10 in the draft rb, or wr, or pass rusher gets hurt. Things like that are detrimental. Exhibit a: the raiders losing Mack.

I say 8 to 10 because it's somewhere in that frame, just not sure exactly where. Could be closer to 8 than 10.
 
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Another viable excuse would be Saban locating the fountain of youth and still coaching at the level he is now 8 -9 years from now. Have mercy I hope that is impossible. As long as Saban is at the top of his game, the chances of another sec coach dethroning him are small. Jimbo maybe??? Kirby or Gus with a small chance also. I'd give Jimbo the best chance at dethroning saban, but even that is a small chance, until age/time catches up to saban
 
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volsportsfan said:
In an 8 to 10 year frame, the man needs to have us an sec title, or have one heck of an excuse as to why not. An excuse that even the vast majority of the fan base would agree with. Something like, his projected 1st round draft pick QB gets hurt. Top 10 in the draft rb, or wr, or pass rusher gets hurt. Things like that are detrimental. Exhibit a: the raiders losing Mack.

I say 8 to 10 because it's somewhere in that frame, just not sure exactly where. Could be closer to 8 than 10.
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There would be no acceptable excuse for not bringing home an SECC given 8-10 years.
 
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volsportsfan said:
So, an sec title and national title appearance by the end of year 3 for Pruitt? Or, do you just mean consistent top 15?
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Consistent Top 15, consistently competing for SEC East winner, reasonable danger to appear in Atlanta on a consistent basis. Minus the SEC East part, that's about where Auburn has been the last few seasons.

Not looking for SEC titles or playoff appearances.
 
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volsportsfan said:
I propose as a fan base, that we stick with Pruitt for at least 8-10 years. Hear me out.

If the University and donors refuse to drive the brinks truck up to an established ( proven winner ) coaches home, we must stick with Pruitt through his ( and his staffs ) growing pains. The man has more potential than Butch ever had at being a really good coach. Obviously this is my opinion and as of now i don't wish to back it up. My only worry with Pruitt is the same worry with any coach, them breaking the rules or leaving.

Folks, this hiring and firing coaches after 4 or 5 years, only to replace them with another unproven coach, is not smart. Can you get lucky, Yes. I'd rather be wise and intelligent than lucky. Please people, lets give this man ( who has great potential to be a really good coach ), a very young man by Head coaching standards, plenty of time. Time to learn on the job to be a decent SEC coach, then plenty of time to learn to be a good SEC coach, then plenty of time to learn to be a great coach. Folks, Belichick, Carrol, Saban, etc etc did not become great coaches in the amount of time Pruitt has had as a football coach ( from grad asst to head coach ). These men were in the coaching business at least 15 plus years before they started proving to be good head coaches. I don't know the exact amount of time but a little research would prove that it took them many years to work up the ladder, then it took many more years of head coaching experience to finally become really good head coaches.

I'm on record here saying that CJP won't last long here at UT. Part of my reasoning is because of the way the coaching carousel in college football is these days. We have to get back to the old days and patiently wait on a high potential young coach to become a great head coach. We have already hitched our wagon to this guy. He is gonna get 4 to 5 years most likely. Give the man more time than this. He has great potential. Quit firing guys that are learning on the job to only hire another guy who still must learn on the job. It's craziness. We want to win so bad its driven us mad. Madness ( lust-out of control desire to win ) has thrown patience and wisdom out the door and will leave us in perpetual turnover, and inconsistency, and looking foolish. Let's be the Steelers of college football. An excellent model of how to have a continued successful team over the long haul. They hired a young high potential coach in Cowher, stuck with him over the years, and had tremendous success. When he left of his own accord, they hired another young high potential coach in Tomlin and look at the continued success. I can go back further with the steelers than these two men, but these two should suffice. Now, are the Steelers winning super bowl after super bowl after super bowl? No. But they are one of the 3 or 4 greatest NFL franchises. Very wise owners, very wise.

Obviously, everybody wants to be listened to. I'm no different. PLEASE, everyone with interest in UT football, get out of this cycle of hiring and firing coaches. Find the best coach you can find within your money and prestige means, and give that man time to master his craft. How long does it take to master the craft of being a head football coach? Find the 10 greatest college football coaches of all time and the 10 greatest pro coaches of all time, and add up all the years of football coaching ( from grad asst to head coach, with head coach given a little more weight ) it took each one of them before they won a super bowl or national title. You could even throw in some conference titles, but let's be honest, we all want the big one at the end. Add them up and then average them out. It takes much longer than what Pruitt has under his belt.

Sorry for the spelling and general lack of writing skill, but i think my point has gotten across. Plus my new Avatar is on display :). Love the butch jones era checker board helmets by the way. Unis were decent too.
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You said add all of their years of coaching, such as grad asst. etc. Well done of these guys grew up with their dad as a coach
Kiffin, Bell-a-cheat etc etc. So they have been involved in coaching their entire life
Anyone ever wonder why MOST football coaches sons excell at football? Well they have been around it their entire life
 
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hog88 said:
He's got 3 to get us competing for the east.
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If he doesn't?

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Time has been shortened with the rise in salaries.
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I never understood fans using salary to argue a coaches performance. I used to see posters say "Butch is making 4 million dollars to lose to Vandy and SC? Unacceptable"

I agree its unacceptable to lose to those two, but it sounds to me, if he was making 2 million, then it would be okay? Lol. Wgaf what he makes? Either he's doing what you expect or he's not.
 
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We won't catch Georgia in 3 years, but we should be at least second in the east by then. If not then I think Pruitt could be in trouble.
 
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I, for one, am excited for the next few years. Pruitt has been successful as a defensive coordinator at every place he's been. Chip Kelly is a proven HC at the college level and UCLA is off to a rough start at 0-3, so we are definitely not the only program with a new coaching staff that is having some growing and learning pains. (Not saying Pruitt will be at the level Kelly was at, nor am I saying Kelly will get back to his previous level either.) These players are all in a new system and still trying to figure out exactly what to do and what is expected. They may practice right but come game time they might fall back on muscle memory from the Butch Jones days. It takes a lot to erase their previous knowledge and instill new techniques for them.

This team is mostly the same as the team that went 4-8 last year. The players were all Jone's recruits and he did not effectively coach them up to a winning level. If you recruit high school players and don't coach them in college, then they will still be high school players.

Pruitt has told recruits that this first year will likely be his worst year. Every press conference he reiterates that he sees players practicing and trying to get better the best they can. That is a recipe for improvement. As long as these young players listen to Pruitt and try their hardest to improve we will see the results on the field the next few years. It is common sense. You simply will not stall at the same level of skill for something if you always try your hardest to be better at a skill.

Obviously Pruitt could be a terrible hire, and we will find that out in time. But while the improvement will not be immediately noticeable, I think that we will see players actually getting better under Pruitt.

Just my two cents.
 
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Alex10 said:
So then Tennessee went out and got a guy so green in your opinion that he needs around 10 years just to get up to speed? If that’s the case the administration should be tarred, feathered and run out of Knoxville forever.
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Hell, we fired Fulmer one year removed from an appearance in the SEC Championship game, so I get where some our fan base is coming from. Where has it gotten us in the last 10 years? Going on our 4th coach without sniffing an SEC East title much less a championship. And with Georgia and Florida both down half of those years.

It's stupid to be having this conversation after the very first SEC game of CJP's career. But I expect no less from some of you guys.....
 
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Alex10 said:
So then Tennessee went out and got a guy so green in your opinion that he needs around 10 years just to get up to speed? If that’s the case the administration should be tarred, feathered and run out of Knoxville forever.
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Hell, we fired Fulmer one year removed from an appearance in the SEC Championship game, so I get where some our fan base is coming from. Where has it gotten us in the last 10 years? Going on our 4th coach without sniffing an SEC East title much less a championship. And with Georgia and Florida both down half of those years.

It's stupid to be having this conversation after the very first SEC game of CJP's career. But I expect no less from some of you guys.....
 
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volsportsfan said:
There is reason, look at his pedigree. I will provide more reason later when I find my research on how long it took the great ones to master their craft
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You should start will Dan Mullen since he’s a popular comparison. Also, Kirby Smart lost to Butch Jones in year 1. Everyone knows Saban went 6-6 his first year at Bama, but many forget that he lost to UAB his first year at LSU and got blown out 41-9. Harbaugh went 4-8 his first year at Stanford. The list goes on and on.

Like it or not, Pruitt is learning on the job. I’m okay with that. Sounds like you are too. I wish other would be more patient
 
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Getting blasted by Florida when it is generally agreed we were close talent wise is a bad sign imo. "Its Pruitts 1st year with New team". Ok...its Mullens too. We were unprepared...unmotivated...and the play calls were awful. Florida was eager....energetic....explosive....we were just dead. THAT reflects on coaching. Imo Pruitt should be ashamed of the listless unmotivated team he trotted out there. They weren't ready...Florida was....and that is inexcusable. Forget talent. We weren't ready
..AT ALL. Horrible reflection on coaching imo.
 
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Behr said:
If he doesn't?



I never understood fans using salary to argue a coaches performance. I used to see posters say "Butch is making 4 million dollars to lose to Vandy and SC? Unacceptable"

I agree its unacceptable to lose to those two, but it sounds to me, if he was making 2 million, then it would be okay? Lol. Wgaf what he makes? Either he's doing what you expect or he's not.
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If we're not competitive and a threat to win the east in year three Pruitt isn't the guy and likely never will be so cut him lose. After season three you have to give him an extension and raise otherwise recruiting will tank, we can't afford to give him an extension if he hasn't shown he can get us competitive and a threat in the east.
 
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hog88 said:
If we're not competitive and a threat to win the east in year three Pruitt isn't the guy and likely never will be so cut him lose. After season three you have to give him an extension and raise otherwise recruiting will tank, we can't afford to give him an extension if he hasn't shown he can get us competitive and a threat in the east.
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You think next year, year 2, he goes 7-5. Year 3 he goes 8-4 wins a bowl is 3rd in the East behind Florida and Georgia.... Phil Fulmer fires him?

Not asking if he "should' or not.
 
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I have to say that the last thing that I want to do is push another coach out before his time. We got a lot of wins out of CBJ and some pretty terrible loses when he lost the team. But Lane Kiffin has done well as an Offensive coordinator at Alabama and now as a head coach at FAU. I am not saying that these guys needed to stay at UT at the time that they were fired, but they are clearly being groomed at other places, which supports the argument that they were hired young and expected to coach at the highest level too early. The bottom line here is that we have champagne taste on a beer budget and need to give CJP time to prove that he is a rising star without expecting a meteoric rise to the top in 2 years.
 
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Alex10 said:
I’m down bro... I’ll check back when I’m a geriatric and maybe Pruitt will have us competing with the vandys and Kentucky’s of the world. I’m not even being sarcastic you guys have beaten out every hope of ever being good again I’m down to join yalls train of thought... at least if I never expect to even improve I can’t be disappointed!!! Man I’m already feeling better!! Alright guys later I’m going down to the trophy store and I’m going to have them make me a pimping participation trophy, it’s going to be awesome!!!
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Can you send some photos of your girls?
 
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Behr said:
You think next year, year 2, he goes 7-5. Year 3 he goes 8-4 wins a bowl is 3rd in the East behind Florida and Georgia.... Phil Fulmer fires him?

Not asking if he "should' or not.
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Phil's not firing him because Phil's fate as AD is tied to CJPs tenure as coach.

It really depends on how competitive the games are and who we beat. If we get boat raced by UF, GA, AL, and lose to UK and/or Vandy next year and he follows that up by only winning 1 more game in 2020, yeah he's not the guy and we need to cut bait.
 
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GBOVFL88 said:
I have to say that the last thing that I want to do is push another coach out before his time. We got a lot of wins out of CBJ and some pretty terrible loses when he lost the team. But Lane Kiffin has done well as an Offensive coordinator at Alabama and now as a head coach at FAU. I am not saying that these guys needed to stay at UT at the time that they were fired, but they are clearly being groomed at other places, which supports the argument that they were hired young and expected to coach at the highest level too early. The bottom line here is that we have champagne taste on a beer budget and need to give CJP time to prove that he is a rising star without expecting a meteoric rise to the top in 2 years.
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Prepare Uranus.
 
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