Stick With Pruitt

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utvolpj said:
Very few school can afford to pay what tamu spent on their coach. UT does not have unlimited finds

Wanting to give any coach 8-10 years regardless of record is asinine
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Also, I never said regardless of record. I mean, if the guy only wins 3 to 4 games ( with our schedule ) 5 years in a row, sense tells you he is lost.
 
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volsportsfan said:
Never said cjp was great. He has a ton of potential to be great. No doubt, he got schooled by dan Mullen this past Saturday. Give him plenty of time to master his craft though.
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There is reason, look at his pedigree. I will provide more reason later when I find my research on how long it took the great ones to master their craft
 
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Patience is a virtue that is truly being tested by true Vol fans. Recruiting and coaching are the solution for our situation. Personally, I have faith in Pruitt and Fulmer. Only time will tell. Win or loose I am a VFL. If you can’t handle our situation I suggest you change your allegiance. When I left the stadium Saturday I was extremely disappointed but remain a VFL. Go Vols
 
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What concerns me is that we have Fulmer, who has a poor track record of hiring assistants and keeping dead weight around while he was a head coach, who is now AD and in charge of hiring coaches.
 
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I hope we all realize vandy, sc, uk, and mizz are not easy wins anymore. They are playing the game of thrones ( winning at big time big money college football ) college football edition also. They all want that money and bragging rights and happiness of being on top too.
 
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utvolpj said:
Very few school can afford to pay what tamu spent on their coach. UT does not have unlimited finds

Wanting to give any coach 8-10 years regardless of record is asinine
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I don't agree that it's asinine unless that coach has not shown any improvement. This process of firing a coach and hiring a new one every 4-5 years has got to stop. There is no stability when you do that. I think those on here wanting to get rid of Pruitt already need to cool down, look at Kentucky. Stoops is in his 6th season, and in those six seasons, he has infused the program with the players that he wants for his system, they are all guys that he recruited, been in his S & C program, and they have finally begun to bear fruit. I think Kentucky is a better team than some on here want to admit, but they are proving it on the field right now. Still a young season and anything can happen, but so far I'm believing KY is for real.
 
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Jaws said:
The UT job is such a tough rebuild right now, and the fact that Pruitt has never been a head coach before makes it extraordinarily difficult.

This was a miscalculation by Fulmer in hiring him. Someone with experience rebuilding another program would have been ideal.

Pruitt may be fine in time, but right now in his private moments, he has to be wondering what the heck he has gotten himself into and he’s thinking that this job is much tougher than he ever imagined.
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A lttle more thought on the subject reveilds that the job was offered to many experienced winning coaches and the results were "thanks but no thanks". In addition, many of those coaches who were hired at other colleges are having bad starts at their new schools. To me, this indicates that even winning well respected coaches often have problems at new colleges for 1-3 years. I am convinced that that CJP was the best for Tennessee and I think all of the sane Tennessee fan knew that it would take more than 4 game, more than 1 Year for the train wreck he inherited to be put on the wright TRACK for victory. He will get this program back on that track and probably more quickly than many of those other coaches who decided to go to other schools or stay where they were coaching. Remember Dooley had a losing record and we now know that Jones used smoke and mirrows to try to rebuild our program. Both approaches failed and we have the opportunity to stay with a coach who knows football but is a rookie as a head coach. If we are responsible fans, we will give CJP time to gain experience and use that experience to be a big winner at another football school.
 
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volsportsfan said:
Never said cjp was great. He has a ton of potential to be great. No doubt, he got schooled by dan Mullen this past Saturday. Give him plenty of time to master his craft though.
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I’m down bro... I’ll check back when I’m a geriatric and maybe Pruitt will have us competing with the vandys and Kentucky’s of the world. I’m not even being sarcastic you guys have beaten out every hope of ever being good again I’m down to join yalls train of thought... at least if I never expect to even improve I can’t be disappointed!!! Man I’m already feeling better!! Alright guys later I’m going down to the trophy store and I’m going to have them make me a pimping participation trophy, it’s going to be awesome!!!
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
I don't agree that it's asinine unless that coach has not shown any improvement. This process of firing a coach and hiring a new one every 4-5 years has got to stop.
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There were no qualifiers on the 8-10 years in the OP. Had he thought to include them I would agree

Any coach who needs more than 5yrs to be successful at UT simply doesn't have what it takes.
 
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Gotta stick with Pruitt. I know we are like a battered woman who is scared of getting hurt again. But we have to give him time. Butch left a terrible culture behind. That’s evident by Sapp “issuing a statement”. Can you imagine one of Saban’s players “issuing a statement” that contradicted what he said? This culture is very bad. Along with that we have a toxic fan base who is tired of losing. Also we changed to a power blocking scheme and due to 1a. The culture under butch jones and 1b. Changing of strength coaches mean we are just not strong enough on the OL to run a power blocking scheme. We have to give Pruitt 3-4 years to implement the system, get players in that he wants, get players stronger, coach them up, and we will have success.
 
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utvolpj said:
There were no qualifiers on the 8-10 years in the OP. Had he thought to include them I would agree

Any coach who needs more than 5yrs to be successful at UT simply doesn't have what it takes.
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So after 5 years and Pruitt has yet to put us in sec championship, you want to replace him with another Pruitt type who isn't proven? I think the evidence suggest you are setting yourself up for future fandom full of sorrows. We are simply in total disagreement.
 
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By the way, a guy like Mike leach is not a proven coach to me. The man has never won a conference title in a major conference. He has a winning record, but so did Butch ( and Butch was learning on the job here, and continues to try to master his craft under the man ). When I say hire an established proven winner, i mean guys like Jimbo. I also wanted dan Mullen because I thought he was on the fringe of beinf proven. What he did at miss st, in the west of the sec, is very impressive. More impressive to me than what Leach has ever done
 
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Remember this:

Year Prior to Nick Saban AL 6-6
Saban first Season AL 6-6

Year Prior to Pruitt TN 4-8
Pruitt first Season ?-?

Just saying! And NO I am not saying Pruitt is the next Saban!!

Don't know if Pruitt is the answer or not but he should get his 3 SEASONS and his own Team!

Then we will know.

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I agree but you can't change the mind of these fans that think we are at the level we once were and expect immediate success. They already made their mind up and start pointing fingers at the rational people and say things like "you're the reason UT has been mediocre for years." It's pointless to argue with them. Even if we hired Saban they would make some excuse to blame our current situation.
 
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Chilmonty said:
Remember this:

Year Prior to Nick Saban AL 6-6
Saban first Season AL 6-6

Year Prior to Pruitt TN 4-8
Pruitt first Season ?-?

Just saying! And NO I am not saying Pruitt is the next Saban!!

Don't know if Pruitt is the answer or not but he should get his 3 SEASONS and his own Team!

Then we will know.

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So you think Pruitt is going to blow out one of the sec division champs like Saban did? Which one?
 
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I was there Saturday night. It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen in 40 years of watching Tennessee football. Florida may be slightly better than us, but not like that. But it's not nearly time to start with the coaching crap. We have no offensive line, no defensive line, and generally a bunch of soft, undeveloped, unconditioned athletes. I said it before, it's going to take a complete turnover of the roster before we can be competitive. So 3-4 years before we really know what kind of coach Pruitt really is. I don't like it any more than anyone else but that's the sad truth after 10 years of complete ineptitude from the top down. They have run this program into the ground and jumping into panic mode after 4 games is not going to help. Pruitt is learning on the job. Some of the calls like the onside kick are desperation calls because he knows what he has to work with and it's just not much. I'm still PO'd but we have got to give him time to build a program from the ground up because that's where we are right now, rock bottom. At least I hope this is rock bottom!
 
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Sorry but no.

I am a big Pruitt fan and I believe he will get it done here. While he isnt proven as a HC, he has the best resume to become one in the SEC, I think. Right now this level of epic suck is on the players. The raw talent was there but Butch and our administrative fiasco ruined them, perhaps beyond what coaching can fix in the time given.

That said, Pruitt, Helton, Friend and Sherrer - all of them are first time in their positions and learning on the jobs as well. You figure that gives them about an extra year to adjust, thats it in this league. Otherwise, they normally would get 3 years. Reality is, if there is not MASSIVE improvement by year 3, then we arent getting it done. That doesnt mean winning SECE, even, it just means that we can see all the awesome new talent being brought in is being coached up and that there is fight in them. By year 5, this program should be STACKED with quality players who are WELL COACHED on fundamentals and game day calls are solid. If not, then Pruitt is not the guy.

It may take 8-10 years to get rid of battered Vol syndrome in our fanbase but 3-5 years is all it should take to turn a program around. Not in a program with the resources we have and with Fulmer at the helm. No way.
 
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Gandalf said:
Sorry but no.

I am a big Pruitt fan and I believe he will get it done here. While he isnt proven as a HC, he has the best resume to become one in the SEC, I think. Right now this level of epic suck is on the players. The raw talent was there but Butch and our administrative fiasco ruined them, perhaps beyond what coaching can fix in the time given.

That said, Pruitt, Helton, Friend and Sherrer - all of them are first time in their positions and learning on the jobs as well. You figure that gives them about an extra year to adjust, thats it in this league. Otherwise, they normally would get 3 years. Reality is, if there is not MASSIVE improvement by year 3, then we arent getting it done. That doesnt mean winning SECE, even, it just means that we can see all the awesome new talent being brought in is being coached up and that there is fight in them. By year 5, this program should be STACKED with quality players who are WELL COACHED on fundamentals and game day calls are solid. If not, then Pruitt is not the guy.

It may take 8-10 years to get rid of battered Vol syndrome in our fanbase but 3-5 years is all it should take to turn a program around. Not in a program with the resources we have and with Fulmer at the helm. No way.
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We want to win, and win before we die. I get it, we all do. But firing coaches after 4 to 5 years on the job is not the answer. We simply disagree.
 
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utvolpj said:
So you think Pruitt is going to blow out one of the sec division champs like Saban did? Which one?
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Yeah thats exactly what my post said????!!!??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What my post was alluding to is you can't expect miracles in 9 mths from a new coach!
Even one as good as Saban, who I personally Hate!!

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Chilmonty said:
Yeah thats exactly what my post said????!!!??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What my post was alluding to is you can't expect miracles in 9 mths from a new coach!
Even one as good as Saban, who I personally Hate!!

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Ok, Saban produced a win in a rivalry game that season and won 4 SEC games. We going to accomplish that? Heck, you can include Vandy as a rival if you think it can help
 
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utvolpj said:
Ok, Saban produced a win in a rivalry game that season and won 4 SEC games. We going to accomplish that? Heck, you can include Vandy as a rival if you think it can help
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Are you Learning impaired??? ALL I was saying is it takes More than half a DAM year to turn around a BAD TEAM!!
What don't you Get about that??? You are reading WAAAYYY to much into my op!!
JEEZZ LOUISE

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If people can't handle to much gore they had better hide their eyes for the year. It is probably not going to get to where you want to be this year. I was expecting a rough year with the new coaches and players not fitting the coaching style. I want to see improvement in product by the end of the year. By that I want to see players doing the job they are assigned to. We will get over powered by these SEC teams that have recruited the big boys, no matter the star ranking. I enjoy seeing growth and I do believe it will happen with this staff because they demand fundamentals, attention to detail, and organization.
 
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