Starters That Kiffin Recruited

#227
#227
StlCardinals2618 said:
Well we can agree to disagree because i really dont see how keeping about 18 recruits to stay with a coach they know nothing about, with a less than stellar background, in 2 weeks is the easiest recruiting job in the world.
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We're talking about two different things. What Dooley did with the class was great. What Dooley did with Hunter was easy.
 
#228
#228
crusse10 said:
I'm glad you think that.

I actually went to the University of Oakland Raiders before transferring to Tennessee. How did you know?
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Oh, I'm glad I got this insight into the acolytes, other candle-lighters, and just straight up nihilists.

You are on the hate induced binge (against Fulmer) and so far disconnected from the real world outside the back door you 1. defend Kiffin, and 2. forget it was Coleman who came in for Crompdaddy against Vandy that game in order to (try) to rationalize and legitimize your irrational hatred of our 2nd greatest coach.
 
#229
#229
General Jack said:
They preferred Dooley over Kiffin and it sold the deal.
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That's impossible. If you feel better about the commitment, that means he was already committed to Kiffin, and they feel better about it, now.

If they felt better about him committing to Dooley, that means he was already committing, and the family didn't feel as good about it.

Yes, I realize that I just posted the same idea twice.
 
#230
#230
utgibbs said:
Oh, I'm glad I got this insight into the acolytes, other candle-lighters, and just straight up nihilists.

You are on the hate induced binge (against Fulmer) and so far disconnected from the real world outside the back door you 1. defend Kiffin, and 2. forget it was Coleman who came in for Crompdaddy against Vandy that game in order to (try) to rationalize and legitimize your irrational hatred of our 2nd greatest coach.
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Did Crompton go back in after Coleman's pick?

Did Coleman play against Kentucky the following week?
 
#231
#231
crusse10 said:
That's impossible. If you feel better about the commitment, that means he was already committed to Kiffin, and they feel better about it, now.

If they felt better about him committing to Dooley, that means he was already committing, and the family didn't feel as good about it.
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No, he committed to Dooley. He committed to Dooley because he was more comfortable with him than Kiffin. He never committed to Kiffin. He preferred Dooley.

Find something to proven that he was committed to Kiffin, otherwise accept what can be proven in black and white, continuing to argue otherwise without basis isn't getting anywhere.

At best, was was considering Tennessee with Kiffin, but he was not sold on Tennessee until Dooley came in.
 
#233
#233
General Jack said:
No, he committed to Dooley. He committed to Dooley because he was more comfortable with him than Kiffin. He never committed to Kiffin. He preferred Dooley.

Find something to proven that he was committed to Kiffin, otherwise accept what can be proven in black and white, continuing to argue otherwise without basis isn't getting anywhere.

At best, was was considering Tennessee with Kiffin, but he was not sold on Tennessee until Dooley came in.
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Start reading here
 
#234
#234
crusse10 said:
I'll give Rogers to Dooley, no questions asked. Offering Nance is what got Rogers in orange.

Not budging on Hunter, though. Hunter was a Vol in 09, but was keeping it quiet.
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Keeping it quiet until Willie Mack Garza left. Then he started looking at LSU, Florida, Alabama, USC, besides Tennessee.

I'm willing to give CLK one third credit, Dooley one third credit, and Justin's mother one third credit. She was really put off by Garza and the whole recruiting process.
 
#235
#235
You know what's crazy? In a couple years, you'll be able to say none of the starters were recruited by Fulmer. You're not comparing apples to apples here. JMO
 
#236
#236
2 weeks after his trip is obviously when it was finalized. His reaffirming was when Kiffin said to go public with LSU
 
#237
#237
utgibbs said:
Actually, I threw Kiffin a bone trying to keep it from looking as gawd-awful as it is. Once utchavis made his unfortunate statement (trying to beef up the Kiffin numbers) it became academic at that point, even for the candle-lighters.

When yawyaw picked up the phone, they were no longer Kiffin recruits. That I have been generous and still give Kiffin Bray et al was my perogative. That the EEs committed to TN and its traditions best encapsulated by Robert Neyland is exactly the kind of somewhat surrealism we've endured since the Hambone Experiment.

But we know, thanks to your nihilism, what the candle-lighters believe:

Kiffin >> Tennessee >> Neyland.

Thanks for exposing your hand this thread. Maybe you can PM hatvol for the best method of cyberspace hari-kari?
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Which was what?
 
#238
#238
mtowntim said:
It was mentioned several times Humphries was coming also.

Here's my link from a previous thread.

Hunter is Dooleys guy. The West Coast Weasel can't claim this one.

Ocean Lakes receiver Hunter headed to Tennessee | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

Ocean Lakes standout receiver Justin Hunter, who committed to LSU last spring, has de-committed and is headed to Tennessee.

Hunter, 6-foot-4 and 185 pounds, made the decision late Tuesday night, and his coach, Chris Scott, said “this decision is final.”

Scott also said Hunter got to know new Tennessee football coach Derek Dooley, the former Louisiana Tech coach and son of legendary Georgia coach Vince Dooley.

“With the little bit of time he’s been able to establish with (coach Dooley),” Scott said, “he felt a little more comfortable and more trusting with this guy than the other Tennessee staff.
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Yeah, but MSG and VW33 said Hunter was a Kiffin silent. I mean who you gonna believe, the kids coach? Or those two paragons of true Volunteer virtue? I mean Duh.:)
 
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crusse10 said:
Start reading here
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Hunter visited Tennessee, then re-affirmed his commitment to LSU.

Kiffin left.

Dooley was hired.

Hunter met with Dooley.

Then Hunter committed to Tennessee. What I am missing?

You are buying into the kiffin mystique on this one. Hunter wasn't a Vol until Dooley got here.
 
#240
#240
Ulysees E. McGill said:
Yeah, but MSG and VW33 said Hunter was a Kiffin silent. I mean who you gonna believe, the kids coach? Or those two paragons of true Volunteer virtue? I mean Duh.:)
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I've gotta say, I'm a bit surprised with crusse10's stance on this. I've generally enjoyed his posts but referencing a recruiting thread as factual proof is beyond me.

Sure Kiffin was after Hunter as was other schools.

However, he "inked" with Dooley. I can't say for sure he would have with Kiffin.
 
#241
#241
7 days till kickoff and this is the best thread we could come up with. Seriously? They are all Dooleys players. Who cares who recruited who! Let's get fired up 7 days away!
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#242
crusse10 said:
That's impossible. If you feel better about the commitment, that means he was already committed to Kiffin, and they feel better about it, now.

If they felt better about him committing to Dooley, that means he was already committing, and the family didn't feel as good about it.

Yes, I realize that I just posted the same idea twice.
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You cant say its Kiffin's recruit because at the end of the day he signed with UT and not USC. The same cant be said with Markeith Ambles. Obviously Justin fell in love with UT or the track program, not Kiffin
 
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VegasVol said:
Guess again. See the 12/9/09 article on TOS about UT's aggressive effort to get him to keep his commitment to Tennessee after Gran departed; he didn't commit to UCF until after Dooley came in.

Here's a few other guys Kiffin told to "go elsewhere" or lost in 2009:

OL Morgan Moses (starting @ Virginia) Good player
OL Peter White (starting @ Maryland) Listed as a backup on this depth chart Maryland Terrapins 2011 College Football Preview
WR Marlon Brown (starting @ Georgia) 13 career catches in two years
RB Lennon Creer (on RB award lists pre-season)Played two decent teams all year.
DB D.J. Swearinger (starting @ South Carolina) committed to SC before Kiffin was hired
LB Shackleford (starting @ Ole Miss, pre-injury) Solid player
DT Langley (starting @ Texas Tech) six starts and 14 tackles for a TT defense that was 93rd in scoring

I'd prefer any of those over the litter of busts from his 2009 class...
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See bold.
 
#245
#245
Someone may have already pointed this out... but it's a bad comparison. It confounds class (Fr. So. etc.) with recruiter (Kiffin vs. Dooley).
 
#247
#247
I have trouble giving a coach credit for anybody that didn't sign under them. Just b/c they were committed before a new coach took over the new coach still has to keep their commitment since all bets are off at that point. Keeping current commits isn't a given and has some value whether the people on here want to admit it or not.

I also have trouble giving a coach credit for players that he (or his bulldog) told not to go to class so they wouldn't end up at the very school that is now 'crediting' him for their recruitment.
 
#250
#250
Hunter is a Kiffy commit??!! Ya, right. Just one little thing for the Kiffin crotch sniffers to give him credit for something he doesn't deserve... keep believing that if it makes that failure look better in your mind.

The douche basically came to UT for a year, pi**ed all over our history and traditions with his shirtless recruiting crap and leaving for an easier job, lol, or so he thought.

I for one am grateful for the rise of Oregon and I hope they dominate that conference while that little punk and his daddy are there.

The guy failed as a Head Coach everywhere he's been. I for one, thank God that 4 or 5 guys turned down USC... because if you think about it, if 1 took that job, that failure of a coach would still be here acting like the fool he was.
 
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