Starters That Kiffin Recruited

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utgibbs said:
Let's turn it around: Why did they stay at Tennessee if they came to play for said coach? Let me hear your answer to that.
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You seem to be under the illusion that simply because they stayed, Kiffin had nothing to do with their coming. They are Kiffin's recruits, regardless of whether they followed him or not. If you discount that Kiffin helped sell them the program, via its traditions, facilities and campus, then you cannot be helped.

The point, in case you have missed it, was a comparison of what each coach did for the program via their recruiting, not what each coach did for themselves.

In short, they are still Kiffin's recruits, even if they are not Kiffin's players.

How about you answer me this question, why were they early enrollees, if not to learn Kiffin's game plan and the playbook? Did they come so they could get a head start on their education, and take a history class on the traditions, or did they come so they could get a head start on the playbook? Kiffin's playbook, mind. Not "Tennessee's playbook."
 
#278
#278
Still don't know how anyone thinks Dooley could flip a Solid commit in 5 days (one of those days being the day he got the job, another of the days being the day Hunter went public)
 
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fl0at said:
You seem to be under the illusion that simply because they stayed, Kiffin had nothing to do with their coming. They are Kiffin's recruits, regardless of whether they followed him or not. If you discount that Kiffin helped sell them the program, via its traditions, facilities and campus, then you cannot be helped.

The point, in case you have missed it, was a comparison of what each coach did for the program via their recruiting, not what each coach did for themselves.

In short, they are still Kiffin's recruits, even if they are not Kiffin's players.

How about you answer me this question, why were they early enrollees, if not to learn Kiffin's game plan and the playbook? Did they come so they could get a head start on their education, and take a history class on the traditions, or did they come so they could get a head start on the playbook? Kiffin's playbook, mind. Not "Tennessee's playbook."
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His delusion clearly knows no bounds
 
#280
#280
Honestly what does it matter what coach a kid commits to as long as he is coming here? Kiffin and PF are history! Are we just so ready to watch football that we have to stoop to the level of fighting amongst ourselves over issues that are irrelevant? :confused:
 
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#281
VegasVol said:
I'm saying I would prefer to have Coleman starting this year rather than Bray; I would rather Bray be a back-up redshirt freshman right now, planning to start in 2012.
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So you would be in favor of the worse player playing just because he's a Fulmer recruit?
I have my doubts about Bray's readiness right now to compete in the SEC against good SEC teams.
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I do, too. But that's why I'm glad he'll be playing this season instead of starting next season for the first time.
 
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brianlsanders said:
the whole basis for this thread is flawed. the kiffin recruits are older,of course there will be more of them starting.if it werent for the coaching change there would be more from fulmers class. dooleys kids arent starting....yet.this will change. kiffin recruited a few good players we get it!
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tvolsfan said:
So you would be in favor of the worse player playing just because he's a Fulmer recruit?
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Nope. I would be in favor of his playing because a) a redshirt senior QB is more ready to play, typically, than a true sophomore; and b) I think he's as or more talented than Bray.
 
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General Jack said:
Hunter visited Tennessee, then re-affirmed his commitment to LSU.

Kiffin left.

Dooley was hired.

Hunter met with Dooley.

Then Hunter committed to Tennessee. What I am missing?

You are buying into the kiffin mystique on this one. Hunter wasn't a Vol until Dooley got here.
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Dude, didn't you know Alshon Jeffrey, Rueben Randle, and Orson Charles were all coming to Tennessee? This is the jibberish we'd have been hearing had they been 2010 recruits rather than 2009 recruits, and how they were all "secret silents" to Kiffin.
 
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#287
VegasVol said:
Insiders were wrong; he never visited USC, showing how irrelevant Kiffin was to his recruitment except as a negative, like his high school coach confirmed.
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I don't believe Dooley flipped a solid LSU commit in five days. However, I don't see anything (factual) that indicates he was a Kiffin lock.

The guy was looking around. He may have been a UT lean but the fact is he "inked" with Dooley. Anything else is assumption and speculation. (IMO)
 
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VegasVol said:
Insiders were wrong; he never visited USC, showing how irrelevant Kiffin was to his recruitment except as a negative, like his high school coach confirmed.
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Wait, so first neither side showed any interest in each other and now you're just saying he didn't visit? If you're going to backtrack that hard, at least disguise it a little.
 
#289
#289
Only time will tell who had the better recruits, but this argument is obviously premature. Also, with Hunter, it is entirely likely that he loved UT but wasn't entirely sold on Kiffin and Co., so he stuck with his earlier commitment, then when Dooley came along and he liked the coaching situation better, that was enough to push him over the edge and switch his commit. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Dooley sold Hunter on a program he had no interest in, in a mere 5 days, but the evidence tends to support the fact that Hunter preferred Dooley to Kiffin.
 
#290
#290
Lol, really. This is rediculous. Why don't you take the overall depth of the team and see who they were recruited by. The guys starting that you pointed out are about the only ones left from the 30+ he brought in.
 
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fl0at said:
You seem to be under the illusion that simply because they stayed, Kiffin had nothing to do with their coming. They are Kiffin's recruits, regardless of whether they followed him or not. If you discount that Kiffin helped sell them the program, via its traditions, facilities and campus, then you cannot be helped.

The point, in case you have missed it, was a comparison of what each coach did for the program via their recruiting, not what each coach did for themselves.

In short, they are still Kiffin's recruits, even if they are not Kiffin's players.

How about you answer me this question, why were they early enrollees, if not to learn Kiffin's game plan and the playbook? Did they come so they could get a head start on their education, and take a history class on the traditions, or did they come so they could get a head start on the playbook? Kiffin's playbook, mind. Not "Tennessee's playbook."
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Great dodge!

I ask again, if they came to study "Kiffin's playbook," what the hell happened? Kiffin's playbook is in southern California.

If it helps to answer this question, we can ignore Yawyaw for the minute. I mean, I would never want the real world outside the back door getting in the way answering the question.

:hi:
 
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crusse10 said:
His delusion clearly knows no bounds
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Which makes it all the more interesting you have to dodge some simple questions.

Here are the delusions:

1. I gave Kiffin the EEs (utchavis took them away); no one has to do so. They aren't really his recruits anymore.

2. Kiffin's recruiting still underperforms relative to Fulmer and Dooley. In Fulmer's case, he still underperforms even after running off several would-be starters / contributors to this year's team.

3. If they were coming to study Kiffin's playbook, they are 3,000 miles east of it. Yawyaw tried to convince them NOT to go to class and follow the playbook. He evidently got the finger from each and every one.

It's just that simple. And around here we call that Game, Set, and Match.
 
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General Jack said:
Hunter visited Tennessee, then re-affirmed his commitment to LSU.

Kiffin left.

Dooley was hired.

Hunter met with Dooley.

Then Hunter committed to Tennessee. What I am missing?

You are buying into the kiffin mystique on this one. Hunter wasn't a Vol until Dooley got here.
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You forget that these candle-lighters believe:

Kiffin >> Tennessee >> Yawyaw >> Fulmer.

Articles of faith need not have evidence from the real world outside the back door.
 
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VKAman said:
Sheeplike is automatically siding with the guy that's here now, and believing that Dooley could flip a commit in 5 days right before NSD. I'm guessing you think we came out of nowhere for Da'Rick as well?
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No...sheeplike is wanting so badly to give the guy that use to be here credit that you use baseless conjecture from internet rumors as your proof of something he didn't do...

By your rationale Hunter would have come here to play for Granny Clampett if she was the coach and showed up to say "Hey, let's make this public" or whatever it is you're claiming Dooley simply had to do to get him...

Yes...the groundwork was laid by Kiffin's staff for the entire 2010 class....

No...he does not deserve credit for any player that signed after he left....Dooley had to recruit everyone of those players, everyone of them committed to Dooley and not a single one of them came here to play for Kiffin...in case you've forgotten, he hightailed it out of here before any of the non-EE's signed
 
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thunder5 said:
No...sheeplike is wanting so badly to give the guy that use to be here credit that you use baseless conjecture from internet rumors as your proof of something he didn't do...

By your rationale Hunter would have come here to play for Granny Clampett if she was the coach and showed up to say "Hey, let's make this public" or whatever it is you're claiming Dooley simply had to do to get him...

Yes...the groundwork was laid by Kiffin's staff for the entire 2010 class....

No...he does not deserve credit for any player that signed after he left....Dooley had to recruit everyone of those players, everyone of them committed to Dooley and not a single one of them came here to play for Kiffin...in case you've forgotten, he hightailed it out of here before any of the non-EE's signed
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Let's not let the real world get in the way of kid's dreams, fancy, and imagination. We should all know by now how much we will miss Hambone and Kiffin. A child's dream is a thing of beauty.
 
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VegasVol said:
Dude, didn't you know Alshon Jeffrey, Rueben Randle, and Orson Charles were all coming to Tennessee? This is the jibberish we'd have been hearing had they been 2010 recruits rather than 2009 recruits, and how they were all "secret silents" to Kiffin.
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Thats right, of course they were super silents. They were so silent that only the kiffin cult knew the truth.

Nice to be on the same side of the isle with you for once.
 
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utgibbs said:
You forget that these candle-lighters believe:

Kiffin >> Tennessee >> Yawyaw >> Fulmer.

Articles of faith need not have evidence from the real world outside the back door.
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Thats the beauty of being in the kiffin cult, and buying into his mystique hook, line and sinker. Conjecture becomes fact because of kiffin's flash over substance premise. These kids still believe in kiffin's bravado. Beliefs evolve into the truth over time, case in point the Justin Hunter commitment.
 
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govols182 said:
Kiffin had already swayed him. It's been mentioned numerous times. It counts as a toss up. It could go either way. Hunter would have came here if Kiffin were still coach.
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I think this goes against actual Justin Hunter quotes about the previous staff after he was signed.
 
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