Stability

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justingroves said:
And it still won't matter too much. There's enough talent in that state for all 3 to be great. The late 90's early 2000's saw all 3 as nc contenders.
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Historically, when all three are great, it generally disperses enough talent to help Florida opponents a little bit. Playing FSU at full strength at the end of the season is not an easy task.

I'm just not sold on any of the Saban coaching tree. Fisher and Muschamp have "underachieve" written all over them. In fact...Saban says he doesn't give a **** what FSU, UF or Miami does.
 
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I searched the OP's posts, and he has to be one of the worst posters I have encountered. I never done it before but I have now officially clicked the ignore button.
 
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Those saying "wait until FSU and Miami get better" don't realize it hurts schools from outside Florida worse then it hurts UF. It gives those kids all the more reason to stay in-state.
 
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northknoxvol said:
Was this not the only excuse Dooley supporters were clinging on to? This place is anything but stable! There are only a couple coaches from his staff left and they all are leaving during a crucial recruiting time? There are also rumors that Chaney is next. Well at least we still have Terry Joseph..........ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :mf_surrender:
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There is stability... or at least consistency.

You will find some way of spinning everything negative to the same degree as others spin everything positive. If the staff had remained intact then your complaint would be that they kept coaches who underperformed. Coaches leave and are replaced... you spin that negative too.

I hope Chaney does not leave. I think the other coaches can be and are being replaced with guys who are at least as good. However contrary to many if not most here.... I think Chaney can get it done. I believe the UT O last year prior to Hunter's injury is an indication of what the guy can do with quality WR's, a great passer, and excellent pass protection.

To me, he would be the biggest deal of all.

BTW, stability is mostly measured by the HC. UGA has turned coaches. USCe has turned coaches. Bama has turned coaches. Arkansas has turned coaches. LSU has turned coaches. Auburn has turned coaches... even UF turned coaches after only one season.

You try way too hard to find something to complain about.
 
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justingroves said:
How is there consistency? I'm not complaining just wondering how you get that
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There isn't. I'm positive our coaches are constantly fighting the perception that the ship is being abandoned....the coaches that are left on staff anyway.
 
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OK, let's look at this from a rational standpoint.

Coaches lost

WR - no sure this was improvement, but it did open the door for Graham

ST&TE - if rumors of CRB are true, this would be a major upgrade

OL - Much improved coach and way better recruiter

DL - yes CLT was a solid recruiter but as a coach? LB were nothing special two years ago and the DLine was nothing to right home about the past season. We will hire a qualified coach and a strong recruiter

LB - Sal is an upgrade as a position coach and time will tell as a DC. We know he is a much better recruiter and we will hired a great LB coach

DC - see above.

As for the impact on recruiting, I want players here that love the program, not just the coaches. We will be fine.
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The Waco Kid said:
You guys are an interesting bunch. 2 weeks ago it was dark clouds and gloom and doom.

Now it's championships here we come...........over a few coaching changes

I know, I know.............I'm a silly Gator whose jorts are too tight, nobody cares what I say, Florida sucks and Muschamp is insane, etc.........[/QUOTE

It's Muschump..... Just sayin'...
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The Waco Kid said:
Meh, I like him. We'll see what happens. he has to be given time to rebuild the program. I say we have to keep him through 2013 at a minimum.
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I guess what confuses me is the notion that UF is "rebuilding". With the talented roster and yearly recruiting classes that are and have been brought in, what exactly is the cause of having to "rebuild"?

I am not trying to poke a hole in your argument necessarily, I am simply asking for a real explanation for that statement, as I haven't seen a satisfactory answer besides coaching turn over.

Sure Meyer leaving hurt, but did you guys lose a bunch of players or did the signing classes drop out of the top 25?
 
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daj2576 said:
I guess what confuses me is the notion that UF is "rebuilding". With the talented roster and yearly recruiting classes that are and have been brought in, what exactly is the cause of having to "rebuild"?

I am not trying to poke a hole in your argument necessarily, I am simply asking for a real explanation for that statement, as I haven't seen a satisfactory answer besides coaching turn over.

Sure Meyer leaving hurt, but did you guys lose a bunch of players or did the signing classes drop out of the top 25?
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As of our boal game, we had 59 kids on scholarship, the lowest number of any team in the country not on NCAA probation, and obviously the lowest in the SEC. We had 11 kids on scholly leave since Muschamp was named coach in January.

He is implementing a power running game with recruits/players who were brough in for their speed in the spread. We don't have any big backs on our roster, or the OL we need to develop the power running game.

Our recruiting was ok from a class rankings standpoint, but when those kids leave, and your depth disappears, it means nothing. We had too many kids leave in too short a period under Meyer's last few years and Muschamp's first..........making it very difficult to implement a new system. I think of our 2010 class that was ranked #1, half of the kids are gone.

That's why he needs another 2 years imo.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
So losing an entire coaching staff, save the head coach, is nothing but positive froma perception standpoint? nobody could look at that and say "wow, what's going on at Tennessee?"

How do you know they are upgrades? We thought Charlie Weis was an upgrade. How'd that work for Florida?
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Ha Ha , your wasting your time , The Man crushers for Dooley would jump off a bluff for him!
 
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Inconsistency from a coaching standpoint is not good for the players. Do you realize some of these guys will be on their fourth position coach in as many years? You just can't develop kids like that.

Spin it any way you want, upgrades, etc., but the fact is that staff turnover is not good any way you look at it.
 
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Dooley is getting Hart's support in this house cleaning or he would have already fired Dooley. Hart wants a new face he has endorsed. Look for Chaney to be gone after NSD. Dang, this is a soap opera. Got to love it. Going to be 8 wins folks and Dooley will continue. I love the ignore key this site has.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
The negative is you can't go on the recruiting trail and tell kids "Life is good at Tennessee" when all they have to do is look up and see am 11-14 record with Dooley and 5-6 coaches have jumped ship in less than 6 weeks.

I'm trying to figure out how you see those changes as "positive". People might say "well, we improved the staffm, recruiting, etc.........." but it doesn't look that way on the outside. it looks like rats fleeing a ship, even if I don't believe it and that might not be the case.

Your problem here isn't reality, it's perception of the program.
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is there anyway you can write this up in a memo and send it to UTAD?
 
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justingroves said:
How is there consistency? I'm not complaining just wondering how you get that
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If you are talking to me... I was talking about the consistency of the OP at spinning absolutely everything negative.

I don't recall making the "stability" argument though. I think Dooley should get a fair shot and then be held accountable. I don't think firing him this year considering where the program was... equals a fair shot. If he doesn't win this year then that could change that equation.

I think his contract is a problem for releasing him until after the '13 season.... but we'll see.
 
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You Dooley supporters will spin anything into a positive for your orange pants wearing lawyer. He did not fire any of the 6 that have left. You make it sound like he cleaned house, but he did not. These men chose to leave here because Dooley is impossible to get along with. If you want to believe the act he puts on for the media then so be it. We will be light years better when Dooley is back at a lower level school coaching were he belongs. GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!! ps.......we are all on the same side here....we all want UT to get back to winning football games!
 
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At best, this so called house cleaning (I've not seen anyone fired either), gives Dooley one more year using the argument that he will need another year to implement the systems of these new coaches.
 
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northknoxvol said:
You Dooley supporters will spin anything into a positive for your orange pants wearing lawyer. He did not fire any of the 6 that have left. You make it sound like he cleaned house, but he did not. These men chose to leave here because Dooley is impossible to get along with. If you want to believe the act he puts on for the media then so be it. We will be light years better when Dooley is back at a lower level school coaching were he belongs. GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!! ps.......we are all on the same side here....we all want UT to get back to winning football games!
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please prove anything you've posted is true
 
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Biggest troll on VN. I have him ignored, fortunately. If everyone else would do the same, we wouldn't have a 125 post thread of garbage.

That is all :hi:
 
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northknoxvol said:
You Dooley supporters will spin anything into a positive for your orange pants wearing lawyer. He did not fire any of the 6 that have left.
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Not spinning anything. Given a choice, I would have rather seen Wilcox, Sirmon, and LT still on the staff though I am not disappointed with the CSS hire.

I am ambivalent about Russell. He didn't exactly tear it up at UT and if he's looking for job security then he definitely went to the wrong place. Read that however you like.

Hiestand might consider ND a step up for him personally. But I would be surprised if his review were completely positive and didn't include some pretty firm improvement goals.

Call it whatever you want but Baggett's departure did not appear to be simply because he wanted to leave.

You make it sound like he cleaned house, but he did not. These men chose to leave here because Dooley is impossible to get along with.
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There is just as much direct proof for the thing you said he did not do as the thing you assert. You are either a troll or someone so completely blinded by bias that you can no longer reason.

If you want to believe the act he puts on for the media then so be it. We will be light years better when Dooley is back at a lower level school coaching were he belongs. GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!! ps.......we are all on the same side here....we all want UT to get back to winning football games!
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No. Not really. You have made a bunch of assumptions based on pretty much nothing but your own subjective biases. If you simply wanted UT to get back to winning then you wouldn't jump to conclusions and certainly wouldn't rip the current HC like you do in public.

You have now tied your ego to his failure. You won't be satisfied with anything else.

I genuinely do not care who the HC is. Right now and for at least '12, it is Dooley. The best thing fans interested in nothing but getting "back to winning football games" can do is support him and whoever he and Hart hire. We talk him down and he fails... then he's gone. We support him and he fails... he's gone.

The difference? We support him then we don't discourage recruits and their friends/family that lurk here... and we convince the next HC that UT has a faithful fanbase that will support him through tough times. We don't support him then it could hurt recruiting AND could be a factor in a great HC candidate saying "No thanks" because they might not get a legitimate shot at succeeding.
 
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