Stability

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Wish we could have kept coach Sirmon and coach Thompson.

In coach Dooley's defense...so far he has hired coaches atleast as good as the ones they replaced.
 
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PC Jr. said:
This is a pointless thread. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong on all this stuff. The bottom line is the first game is against NC State in Atlanta and then we will see the "state of the program".
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It is likely that you are correct, but Dooley is still walking on very thin ice.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
You guys are an interesting bunch. 2 weeks ago it was dark clouds and gloom and doom.

Now it's championships here we come...........over a few coaching changes

I know, I know.............I'm a silly Gator whose jorts are too tight, nobody cares what I say, Florida sucks and Muschamp is insane, etc.........
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Starting to get it... :good!:
 
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northknoxvol said:
Was this not the only excuse Dooley supporters were clinging on to? This place is anything but stable! There are only a couple coaches from his staff left and they all are leaving during a crucial recruiting time? There are also rumors that Chaney is next. Well at least we still have Terry Joseph..........ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :mf_surrender:
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Not much to do in north Knoxville except ***** and hope Dooley fails. Can you just convert to being a Bama fan already
 
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I've been wondering if we'll have the same inane postings once Dooley is gone and then I thought back to ruminations that I had towards the end of Fulmer's tenure when I wondered the same thing. For the most part, we didn't hear a peep out of the Fulmerites after he was let go and I feel certain the same will apply to the tchfcatutk.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
The negative is you can't go on the recruiting trail and tell kids "Life is good at Tennessee" when all they have to do is look up and see am 11-14 record with Dooley and 5-6 coaches have jumped ship in less than 6 weeks.

I'm trying to figure out how you see those changes as "positive". People might say "well, we improved the staffm, recruiting, etc.........." but it doesn't look that way on the outside. it looks like rats fleeing a ship, even if I don't believe it and that might not be the case.

Your problem here isn't reality, it's perception of the program.
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When you finish 5-7 and lose to KY, massive coaching changes are positive. How can you argue that? It seemingly isnt having a drastic impact on recruiting since we are consistantly staying inside the top 20. Yes, we might have a slightly higher ranked recruiting class had these changes not been made but the changes are definately needed. If these changes dont work the next change will be Dooley. All these changes show me that at least we are trying to get out of the mediocrity barrell. If Dooley fails and has to be replaced, I assure you that the next coach will inherit a much better (stable) situation than he did. We now have at least the atheletes to compete every week.
 
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northknoxvol said:
Was this not the only excuse Dooley supporters were clinging on to? This place is anything but stable! There are only a couple coaches from his staff left and they all are leaving during a crucial recruiting time? There are also rumors that Chaney is next. Well at least we still have Terry Joseph..........ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :mf_surrender:
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Officially showing your troll status here by laughing at the situation. One more to the ignore list.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
You guys are an interesting bunch. 2 weeks ago it was dark clouds and gloom and doom.

Now it's championships here we come...........over a few coaching changes
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Exactly. The day Wilcox and Sirmon announced they were leaving, a majority of the posters here were saying that was it--the program under Dooley was toast.

Now, we've got a bunch of Kool-Aid drinkers again.

And I agree with the OP. There's no way you can claim to have a stable program when six(!) of your coaches leave in a few weeks.

But at least now the Dooley apologists will have another pre-made excuse to use next season.
 
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KingtUT said:
When you finish 5-7 and lose to KY, massive coaching changes are positive. How can you argue that? It seemingly isnt having a drastic impact on recruiting since we are consistantly staying inside the top 20. Yes, we might have a slightly higher ranked recruiting class had these changes not been made but the changes are definately needed. If these changes dont work the next change will be Dooley. All these changes show me that at least we are trying to get out of the mediocrity barrell.
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Be careful saying recruiting is good..............I think your class is pretty strong and I was scolded and told by some that your class isn't anywhere good enough to compete in the SEC, that you must finish closer to the top 5, that you have too many 3 star kids "who are only average..........."

I was stunned. your class has a ton of talented kids and some on the recruiting board are acting like the kids picked between Tennessee, Tennessee Tech, and Austin Peay.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
You guys are an interesting bunch. 2 weeks ago it was dark clouds and gloom and doom.

Now it's championships here we come...........over a few coaching changes

I know, I know.............I'm a silly Gator whose jorts are too tight, nobody cares what I say, Florida sucks and Muschamp is insane, etc.........
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Finally, you have said something true and worthwhile.
 
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KingtUT said:
When you finish 5-7 and lose to KY, massive coaching changes are positive. How can you argue that? It seemingly isnt having a drastic impact on recruiting since we are consistantly staying inside the top 20. Yes, we might have a slightly higher ranked recruiting class had these changes not been made but the changes are definately needed. If these changes dont work the next change will be Dooley. All these changes show me that at least we are trying to get out of the mediocrity barrell.
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Well said.. I really think Hart knows what he's doing and he knows Dooley is running out of excuses. It's "put up or shut up" time in Knoxville. Hopefully these new coaches can truly help turn the ship around. If not, it won't be long and we'll have a new HFC at the helm..
 
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The Waco Kid said:
Be careful saying recruiting is good..............I think your class is pretty strong and I was scolded and told by some that your class isn't anywhere good enough to compete in the SEC, that you must finish closer to the top 5, that you have too many 3 star kids "who are only average..........."

I was stunned. your class has a ton of talented kids and some on the recruiting board are acting like the kids picked between Tennessee, Tennessee Tech, and Austin Peay.
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A team full of 3 stars is a lot better than what Dooley arrived with. We have a solid base to build on now, lots of 3 and 4 stars. What has happened to UT over the past few years cant be fixed overnight and some people dont get that. However, the loss to KY is uneceptable and Dooley deserves every bit of criticism he recieves for it..
 
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The Waco Kid said:
Be careful saying recruiting is good..............I think your class is pretty strong and I was scolded and told by some that your class isn't anywhere good enough to compete in the SEC, that you must finish closer to the top 5, that you have too many 3 star kids "who are only average..........."

I was stunned. your class has a ton of talented kids and some on the recruiting board are acting like the kids picked between Tennessee, Tennessee Tech, and Austin Peay.
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KingtUT said:
A team full of 3 stars is a lot better than what Dooley arrived with. We have a solid base to build on now, lots of 3 and 4 stars. What has happened to UT over the past few years cant be fixed overnight and some people dont get that.
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That's what is mind-boggling to me about certain fans...........they expect top 5 classes every year and to immediately compete for championships. You had that...........with Fulmer.

Dooley is building towards that, but you have to have a solid class like you have now to build on that, and they want to go straight to the penthouse and dismiss the kids who are working to get you there.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
Be careful saying recruiting is good..............I think your class is pretty strong and I was scolded and told by some that your class isn't anywhere good enough to compete in the SEC, that you must finish closer to the top 5, that you have too many 3 star kids "who are only average..........."

I was stunned. your class has a ton of talented kids and some on the recruiting board are acting like the kids picked between Tennessee, Tennessee Tech, and Austin Peay.
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LSU hasn't been in the top 5 since 2009. I'd say they are competing in the SEC.
 
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utvolpj said:
1) it's not jumping ship

2) I personally don't care how you view it. It's not hurting recruiting
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It not hurting recruiting only proves that TN sells itself for a top 25 class every year because of its fan base, tradition, facilities, Neyland Stadium, and etc. So Tennessee alone can bring in top 20 classes every year.

So dont be fooled by dooleys recruiting abilities when he is yet to break the top 10 in recruiting. If he was a great recruiter he would be bringing in top 5 classes.
 
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KingtUT said:
A team full of 3 stars is a lot better than what Dooley arrived with. We have a solid base to build on now, lots of 3 and 4 stars. What has happened to UT over the past few years cant be fixed overnight and some people dont get that. However, the loss to KY is uneceptable and Dooley deserves every bit of criticism he recieves.
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Criticism for the Kentucky game? Sure. Criticism for circumstances possibly out of his control the past two seasons? Not quite yet.
 
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btrotter said:
It not hurting recruiting only proves that TN sells itself for a top 25 class every year because of its fan base, tradition, facilities, Neyland Stadium, and etc. So Tennessee alone can bring in top 20 classes every year.

So dont be fooled by dooleys recruiting abilities when he is yet to break the top 10 in recruiting. If he was a great recruiter he would be bringing in top 5 classes.
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Sorry, but not under the circumstances around here lately.
 
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btrotter said:
It not hurting recruiting only proves that TN sells itself for a top 25 class every year because of its fan base, tradition, facilities, Neyland Stadium, and etc. So Tennessee alone can bring in top 20 classes every year.

So dont be fooled by dooleys recruiting abilities when he is yet to break the top 10 in recruiting. If he was a great recruiter he would be bringing in top 5 classes.
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a top 15 class with players that contribute 3-4 years is better than a top 5 class where very few finish their careers at the school. Also the difference in classes at the top is very small
 
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The Waco Kid said:
The flip side of that is or the program that has played for the most national titles since you were born.......so come here and win us the next one

See how easy that was? You guys really do dismiss the idea of perception amongst recruits.

The last time Tennessee was at the level you guys think they should be every year, the kids you are recruiting now were 8 years old.
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What YOU don't understand is, the Gaygotors are a Johnny come lately story....Before the 90's (I remember the 60's, 70's and 80's btw), you were a joke. They had and have NO tradition that speaks to that fact. UT was winning championships and bowl games when you guys were paving your campus providing electric power to it...You may have bought some wins, but you lack tradition, and definitely lack class....as a visit to Gainesville on game day has proven countless times..:bad::bad:
 
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