Someone make me feel optimistic about Team 121.

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volfannbama said:
Can some explain how any logical person would conclude that we are in a similair situation as the 98 team was?
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Easy. We have a future HoF head coach coming off of one the best 4 year runs Tennessee has ever had. Recruiting has been going great guns just like it was from 93-97. We have two top level coordinators just like we did in Cut & Chavis. And finally, yet most importantly of all, we are Champions of Life. That HAS to count for something.
 
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For those knocking Dobbs, Tennessee had an abnormal amount of success on plays that were not run they way they were intended because of his feet.

And to say he could run doesn't paint the proper picture. A lot of QB's can run. Most all of them don't score 70 yard rushing td's. Dobbs could do that.

It will be a totally different animal defending the Tennessee offense without a QB who is as mobile.

It will effect the running game and passing game. It will effect how defenses choose to rush the QB and cover receivers.
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
Easy. We have a future HoF head coach coming off of one the best 4 year runs Tennessee has ever had. Recruiting has been going great guns just like it was from 93-97. We have two top level coordinators just like we did in Cut & Chavis. And finally, yet most importantly of all, we are Champions of Life. That HAS to count for something.
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At least you got the CoL part, cause the rest is bs
 
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greenbacknative said:
Yeah, he took away the option of him running the ball in certain situations, that the team used earlier in the year. I think he could have easily broken the record had he not quit... but we'll never know now will we?:thumbsup:
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Using that sort of "logic", with the loss of Dobbs, Kamara, and Malone, we should actually score negative points in a few games during the 2017 season.
 
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#108
8-4 should be the base line as long as we don't wet the bed against Vandy and South Carolina. The schedule is spaced out well, we have Georgia, Vandy, South Carolina, and LSU in Neyland, the rest of the year to prepare for Georgia Tech, and the majority of two top ten recruiting classes with experience and depth.

The question is quarterback play and coaching. We have three great QBs to choose from, and Dormady will ball out next fall. Coaching remains to be seen.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
8-4 should be the base line as long as we don't wet the bed against Vandy and South Carolina. The schedule is spaced out well, we have Georgia, Vandy, South Carolina, and LSU in Neyland, the rest of the year to prepare for Georgia Tech, and the majority of two top ten recruiting classes with experience and depth.

The question is quarterback play and coaching. We have three great QBs to choose from, and Dormady will ball out next fall. Coaching remains to be seen.
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3 GREAT Qbs?
 
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Iam4utalways said:
JG and QD says you're wrong!

Nah, we were at worst a 7-5 team, even without Dobbs all together. We ended up with 1 regular season win over the worst we could have done.

8-4 is the worst we should do this year. There is nothing anybody can say to make me believe we should lose to SC. They are an inferior program with an inferior team coached by inferior coaches, they are bad, we know it, they know it, the whole world(exaggeration to make a point, many on this earth have never heard of them) knows it.
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Based on what? We were 2 plays away from 6-6 WITH Dobbs. Now take him off the field the rest of the games last year and we're a losing team, no question about it. Joshua had a hand in 40 tds last year....you think either QD or JG sniff that this year having never played a meaningful snap? Both have talent and potential but they're both unknown quantities and we have no idea how either will play/respond this year. And neither would've/could've done what Dobbs did last year to salvage our season.
 
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volfannbama said:
Until reality hits anyway.
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Then what? We enter the world of suck? At least we had some fun beforehand. It's football, I ain't gonna blow my brains out if the reality didn't meet my hopes. Lol.

What if reality does meet my hopes? I don't expect us to go 15-0, I don't even expect to win the East. But there are some reasons to hope we have a successful season. Who knows? I also have even more reason to hope for a better than expected season. I really ain't excited about Butch being the first coach to be replaced by Currie.

Seriously, aren't you excited about seeing all the changes playing out on the field? Just the fact that it will soon be "Football Time in Tennessee"? I am. Brang it on.

Where's Mink? "Hey Bama, we coming". Lol.

Okay, come on and pee on my party.:lol:

Just having some fun this fine morning, and fine it is.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So what you're saying, is that Dobbs was not the best passing QB we've had? Color me shocked!

He still had a career rating of 133.2 (barely below Tee Martin at 133.6), and played in less games than any of the QBs that you listed, save for Tyler Bray. On top of that, to go with his mediocre 53 passing TDs, he had 32 rushing TDs, putting him at 16 less total TDs than Manning, while having played in 8 less games than him.

Every single QB you listed was a better passer than Dobbs except Crompton, and yet Dobbs, having played in less games than any of them (minus Bray) , had more overall TDs than any of them except Manning himself.

Let that sink in. For all of his faults, for all of his poor throws, he still scored more TDs passing and rushing than any QB since Peyton Manning.

I'm not saying that one or both of Guarantano or Dormady aren't going to be decent QBs, but expecting them to put up numbers that are anywhere close to what Dobbs did, given the Oline, RB, and WR situation in 2017, is pretty laughable.
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Dobbs - 37 games - QB rating - 133.2
Bray - 28 games - QB rating - 145.0
Crompton - 35 games - QB rating - 123.1
Clausen - 45 games - QB rating - 139.8
Ainge - 43 games - QB rating - 134.8
Martin - 36 games - QB rating - 133.6
Manning - 45 games - 147.1

To be fair...because they were here... Worley - 24 games - QB rating - 118.6. Simms - 18 games - 116.7 QB rating. I won't use their numbers...whether they help my argument or not.

The argument isn't whether Dobbs was good. He absolutely was. It is whether one of these guys can come in and be effective. You guys are making it sound like we're doomed and it may not be the case.

Same guys...first year stats...

Dobbs - 5 games - 3 TD's
Bray - 9 games - 18 TD's
Crompton - 7 games - 4 TD's
Clausen - 15 TD's
Ainge - 9 games - 17 TD's
Martin - 11 games - 0 TD's
Manning - 11 games - 12 TD's

You are correct though. Dobb's 39 TD's his senior year are equal to only Manninhg's 39 TD's his Senior year. Yet for years between the two we managed to field some good teams (with the exception of a couple of QB's). The point is...new starters can be good. they don't have to be like the guy before them, the offense will be changes to suit them.

If I recall correctly (could be wrong though) Bray's NFL O-Line wasn't considered that Until the last year they played here.


Good discussion though...I like flingin' numbers. :thumbsup:
 
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Behr said:
Then what? We enter the world of suck? At least we had some fun beforehand. It's football, I ain't gonna blow my brains out if the reality didn't meet my hopes. Lol.

What if reality does meet my hopes? I don't expect us to go 15-0, I don't even expect to win the East. But there are some reasons to hope we have a successful season. Who knows? I also have even more reason to hope for a better than expected season. I really ain't excited about Butch being the first coach to be replaced by Currie.

Seriously, aren't you excited about seeing all the changes playing out on the field? Just the fact that it will soon be "Football Time in Tennessee"? I am. Brang it on.

Where's Mink? "Hey Bama, we coming". Lol.

Okay, come on and pee on my party.:lol:

Just having some fun this fine morning, and fine it is.
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Im always excited about Tennessee football. I get excited watching all Tennesse sports. Doesnt mean all my discussions have to be unrealistic optimism. I learned early in my USMC career, under promise and over deliever. I see nothing wrong with discussion all aspects, positive and negative or neutral. But the fact that im a vols fan, it should go without saying that i still hope for the best. Unfortunately, the easiest way to invalidate an argument we dont agree with is to say the person isnt a true fan. For Christ sake, we have fans telling Eric Ainge he isnt a true fan for saying the basketball team probably wouldnt win out with 5 games to go.

But hey, on volnation its a special place. He can label our coach Big Game Butch after a music city wins. We are labeling qbs great before they even step foot on the field, heck lets put em up there in the ring of honor.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Dobbs - 37 games - QB rating - 133.2
Bray - 28 games - QB rating - 145.0
Crompton - 35 games - QB rating - 123.1
Clausen - 45 games - QB rating - 139.8
Ainge - 43 games - QB rating - 134.8
Martin - 36 games - QB rating - 133.6
Manning - 45 games - 147.1

To be fair...because they were here... Worley - 24 games - QB rating - 118.6. Simms - 18 games - 116.7 QB rating. I won't use their numbers...whether they help my argument or not.

The argument isn't whether Dobbs was good. He absolutely was. It is whether one of these guys can come in and be effective. You guys are making it sound like we're doomed and it may not be the case.

Same guys...first year stats...

Dobbs - 5 games - 3 TD's
Bray - 9 games - 18 TD's
Crompton - 7 games - 4 TD's
Clausen - 15 TD's
Ainge - 9 games - 17 TD's
Martin - 11 games - 0 TD's
Manning - 11 games - 12 TD's

You are correct though. Dobb's 39 TD's his senior year are equal to only Manninhg's 39 TD's his Senior year. Yet for years between the two we managed to field some good teams (with the exception of a couple of QB's). The point is...new starters can be good. they don't have to be like the guy before them, the offense will be changes to suit them.

If I recall correctly (could be wrong though) Bray's NFL O-Line wasn't considered that Until the last year they played here.


Good discussion though...I like flingin' numbers. :thumbsup:
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I think the debate is that QD and JG are going to need some help from teammates if they are going to come close to that level of production.

The question is, will that help be there?
 
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KBVol said:
Based on what? We were 2 plays away from 6-6 WITH Dobbs. Now take him off the field the rest of the games last year and we're a losing team, no question about it. Joshua had a hand in 40 tds last year....you think either QD or JG sniff that this year having never played a meaningful snap? Both have talent and potential but they're both unknown quantities and we have no idea how either will play/respond this year. And neither would've/could've done what Dobbs did last year to salvage our season.
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If they are an unknown, why automatically expect them to fail. Maybe they can be successful. I like their chances.
 
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volfannbama said:
Im always excited about Tennessee football. I get excited watching all Tennesse sports. Doesnt mean all my discussions have to be unrealistic optimism. I learned early in my USMC career, under promise and over deliever. I see nothing wrong with discussion all aspects, positive and negative or neutral. But the fact that im a vols fan, it should go without saying that i still hope for the best. Unfortunately, the easiest way to invalidate an argument we dont agree with is to say the person isnt a true fan. For Christ sake, we have fans telling Eric Ainge he isnt a true fan for saying the basketball team probably wouldnt win out with 5 games to go.

But hey, on volnation its a special place. He can label our coach Big Game Butch after a music city wins. We are labeling qbs great before they even step foot on the field, heck lets put em up there in the ring of honor.
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Good post. You have completely changed my mind.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
8-4 should be the base line as long as we don't wet the bed against Vandy and South Carolina. The schedule is spaced out well, we have Georgia, Vandy, South Carolina, and LSU in Neyland, the rest of the year to prepare for Georgia Tech, and the majority of two top ten recruiting classes with experience and depth.

The question is quarterback play and coaching. We have three great QBs to choose from, and Dormady will ball out next fall. Coaching remains to be seen.
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Plz not another 8-4 season. We should be better than that.....especially in yr 5.
 
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volfannbama said:
How is assuming they will play like a first year starter, assuming they will fail ?
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Fail to put up Dobbs like numbers.

They are unknown so why assume they will fail to put up Dobbs like numbers.

Maybe with another year here Shoop can give the Offense some breathing room and we won't need to score 40+ points a game to win.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Fail to put up Dobbs like numbers.

They are unknown so why assume they will fail to put up Dobbs like numbers.

Maybe with another year here Shoop can give the Offense some breathing room and we won't need to score 40+ points a game to win.
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It is prefectly logical to believe a first year starter will not play to the level of a four year starter. Thats why people like Lamar Jackson win the Heisman, because its rare. Maybe one of them suprises us and plays to Dobbs level, but thats exactly what it will be, a suprise.
 
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