Someone make me feel optimistic about Team 121.

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smokey0625 said:
Another fan who failed to take advantage to blame piece of crap that quit on the team. Cmon man.
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Care to explain how Jalen Hurd caused the UT offense to go from scoring 31 points in the first half against Vandy, to only being able to score 3 in the second?
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JAllen18 said:
I just don't see it.

Blowout losses to Vanderbilt and Alabama. 3 in a row for Bama.

Bad secondary play. We lose our best cover guy.

Bad O line play, they all return this year.

Lose both top DE's that accounted for 19 sacks.

Lose best Wideout.

Freshman QB.

This all points to a down year, even more so than 2016.
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There's a VERY good chance UGA and UF each have major questions and gaps on their teams that makes it easy to see them struggle this coming season.
 
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fade route said:
We would have been 3-8 or 4-7 without Dobbs.
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JG and QD says you're wrong!

Nah, we were at worst a 7-5 team, even without Dobbs all together. We ended up with 1 regular season win over the worst we could have done.

8-4 is the worst we should do this year. There is nothing anybody can say to make me believe we should lose to SC. They are an inferior program with an inferior team coached by inferior coaches, they are bad, we know it, they know it, the whole world(exaggeration to make a point, many on this earth have never heard of them) knows it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
This.

Dobbs accounted for 13 total touchdowns rushing and receiving. He had three more rushing touchdowns than Kamara at 9, and overall accounted for 22% of the total touchdowns by the team in 2016 as a rusher or receiver.

Fans that think we won't accutely feel his absence in the 2017 season, or that Guarantano or Dormady will be able to produce on the same level, are deluding themselves to maintain unbridled optimism in the face of those statistics.
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...and then there are the fans that can see those numbers and see them for what they are. Statistics from last season. A sane person can look at those numbers and understand that we probably not going to have 13 les touchdowns next year because Dobbs is gone. Or lose 22% of our Offensive touchdowns and productivity.

Yes. Dobbs had a lot of rushing TD's. What Dobbs did not do so much was...scramble, then throw the ball down field. If he scrambled, you could just about lay a bet that he was going to run with it. Was it effective? Yes. Does that mean every QB has to do it? No. A more pure passing QB, who can scramble can be just as effective. There were a lot of instances where Dobbs could have thrown the ball but didn't, that other QB's would have been able to make something happen through the air.

Is losing Dobbs going to effect the game? Sure. But to act like we're doomed because of it, without taking into account that gameplans will be changed to more suit the personnel we have now is just as asinine as people having "unbridled optimism".

Those stats are exactly that. Stats...from last season.
 
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BaldBiker said:
...and then there are the fans that can see those numbers and see them for what they are. Statistics from last season. A sane person can look at those numbers and understand that we probably not going to have 13 les touchdowns next year because Dobbs is gone. Or lose 22% of our Offensive touchdowns and productivity.

Yes. Dobbs had a lot of rushing TD's. What Dobbs did not do so much was...scramble, then throw the ball down field. If he scrambled, you could just about lay a bet that he was going to run with it. Was it effective? Yes. Does that mean every QB has to do it? No. A more pure passing QB, who can scramble can be just as effective. There were a lot of instances where Dobbs could have thrown the ball but didn't, that other QB's would have been able to make something happen through the air.

Is losing Dobbs going to effect the game? Sure. But to act like we're doomed because of it, without taking into account that gameplans will be changed to more suit the personnel we have now is just as asinine as people having "unbridled optimism".

Those stats are exactly that. Stats...from last season.
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"unbridled optimism" is not asinine.
 
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BaldBiker said:
...and then there are the fans that can see those numbers and see them for what they are. Statistics from last season. A sane person can look at those numbers and understand that we probably not going to have 13 les touchdowns next year because Dobbs is gone. Or lose 22% of our Offensive touchdowns and productivity.

Yes. Dobbs had a lot of rushing TD's. What Dobbs did not do so much was...scramble, then throw the ball down field. If he scrambled, you could just about lay a bet that he was going to run with it. Was it effective? Yes. Does that mean every QB has to do it? No. A more pure passing QB, who can scramble can be just as effective. There were a lot of instances where Dobbs could have thrown the ball but didn't, that other QB's would have been able to make something happen through the air.

Is losing Dobbs going to effect the game? Sure. But to act like we're doomed because of it, without taking into account that gameplans will be changed to more suit the personnel we have now is just as asinine as people having "unbridled optimism".

Those stats are exactly that. Stats...from last season.
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All of this.

Not to mention, as much as Dobbs could win a game for you, he had a tenancy to lose games for us as well.

He absolutely KILLED us against South Carolina. Sometimes you really didn't know which Dobbs you would get, and that's something I won't miss.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
"unbridled optimism" is not asinine.
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I would have to say that I definitely lean more in the direction of unbridled optimism than I do constant doom and gloom. I try not to lean to far in either direction, but if I have to choose...optimism is definitely more fun.

Hell, looking at things the way some people on here do...I was in the hospital for a week a little over a week ago with some pretty serious problems. Based off the way they look at past statistics, and predict the future based off of them, I'll be dead next week.
 
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BaldBiker said:
...and then there are the fans that can see those numbers and see them for what they are. Statistics from last season. A sane person can look at those numbers and understand that we probably not going to have 13 les touchdowns next year because Dobbs is gone. Or lose 22% of our Offensive touchdowns and productivity.

Yes. Dobbs had a lot of rushing TD's. What Dobbs did not do so much was...scramble, then throw the ball down field. If he scrambled, you could just about lay a bet that he was going to run with it. Was it effective? Yes. Does that mean every QB has to do it? No. A more pure passing QB, who can scramble can be just as effective. There were a lot of instances where Dobbs could have thrown the ball but didn't, that other QB's would have been able to make something happen through the air.

Is losing Dobbs going to effect the game? Sure. But to act like we're doomed because of it, without taking into account that gameplans will be changed to more suit the personnel we have now is just as asinine as people having "unbridled optimism".

Those stats are exactly that. Stats...from last season.
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Just stats, numbers when not positive, to be disregarded until they cast an orange glow of WGWTFA? Right?

Guess how many rushing TDs Justin Worley had in his career at UT, 3. Guess how many rushing TDs Tyler Bray had at UT, 1. Guess how many rushing TDs Matt Simms had at Ut, 2. Guess how many rushing TDs Jonathan Crompton had, 3.Guess how many rushing TDs Eric Ainge had at UT, 1.

Josh Dobbs had more rushing TDs in one season, than the previous 5 starting QBs had in their entire careers at UT combined. There are several games in the 2016 season alone that would more than likely have been losses if not for Josh Dobbs' ability to rush for TDs. The idea that QD or JG is going to come in and perform anywhere near the same level as Dobbs in the area of rushing TDs is comically absurd.

Dobbs was a mediocre passer at best, but I doubt we'll ever see another QB at UT who can scramble out of bad plays, and score with his legs as well as him.
 
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Aside from our athletes we play in the weaker half of the SEC. Every other team can fall under question and has weaknesses in the East. Every team is very beatable.

With the Florida streak being broken that could be a very positive when it comes to our rivalry with them.

Butch Jones has never lost a head to head vs Kirby Smart.

LSU is going to be a giant flop next year.

We have 5 automatic wins on the schedule. It would be much more systematically improbable for us to lose the majority of those remaining.

An 8-10 win team simply playing the numbers and probabilities is much more likely to happen than a 5-6 win season.
 
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BaldBiker said:
I would have to say that I definitely lean more in the direction of unbridled optimism than I do constant doom and gloom. I try not to lean to far in either direction, but if I have to choose...optimism is definitely more fun.

Hell, looking at things the way some people on here do...I was in the hospital for a week a little over a week ago with some pretty serious problems. Based off the way they look at past statistics, and predict the future based off of them, I'll be dead next week.
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Some old goats are tougher than others. Hang in there.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Just stats, numbers when not positive, to be disregarded until they cast an orange glow of WGWTFA? Right?

Guess how many rushing TDs Justin Worley had in his career at UT, 3. Guess how many rushing TDs Tyler Bray had at UT, 1. Guess how many rushing TDs Matt Simms had at Ut, 2. Guess how many rushing TDs Jonathan Crompton had, 3.Guess how many rushing TDs Eric Ainge had at UT, 1.

Josh Dobbs had more rushing TDs in one season, than the previous 5 starting QBs had in their entire careers at UT combined. There are several games in the 2016 season alone that would more than likely have been losses if not for Josh Dobbs' ability to rush for TDs. The idea that QD or JG is going to come in and perform anywhere near the same level as Dobbs in the area of rushing TDs is comically absurd.

Dobbs was a mediocre passer at best, but I doubt we'll ever see another QB at UT who can scramble out of bad plays, and score with his legs as well as him.
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I wouldn't go so far as to disregard the stats, just kind of rearrange them to an orange glow.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you are saying that the sheer act of Jalen Hurd quitting the team on 10/31/2016, caused the UT offense to not be able to score more than 3 points in the second half of the Vanderbilt game on 11/26/2016? :thud:
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Seems there was the business of a missed FG and 2 turnovers.
 
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JAllen18 said:
I just don't see it.

Blowout losses to Vanderbilt and Alabama. 3 in a row for Bama.

Bad secondary play. We lose our best cover guy.

Bad O line play, they all return this year.

Lose both top DE's that accounted for 19 sacks.

Lose best Wideout.

Freshman QB.

This all points to a down year, even more so than 2016.
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On paper, with everybody healthy, Tennessee is the best team in the SEC East. You fail to realize that CBJ has brought in some good new coaches who will address any technique problems that the OL or DBs had last year. And we all agree that whoever starts at QB is going to be a better field general than Dobbs was. We will have some young WRs step up and the RBs will surprize everybody. Should go 10-2 or 9-3 and get another good bowl game. All is goung to be good with team 121.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Just stats, numbers when not positive, to be disregarded until they cast an orange glow of WGWTFA? Right?

Guess how many rushing TDs Justin Worley had in his career at UT, 3. Guess how many rushing TDs Tyler Bray had at UT, 1. Guess how many rushing TDs Matt Simms had at Ut, 2. Guess how many rushing TDs Jonathan Crompton had, 3.Guess how many rushing TDs Eric Ainge had at UT, 1.

Josh Dobbs had more rushing TDs in one season, than the previous 5 starting QBs had in their entire careers at UT combined. There are several games in the 2016 season alone that would more than likely have been losses if not for Josh Dobbs' ability to rush for TDs. The idea that QD or JG is going to come in and perform anywhere near the same level as Dobbs in the area of rushing TDs is comically absurd.

Dobbs was a mediocre passer at best, but I doubt we'll ever see another QB at UT who can scramble out of bad plays, and score with his legs as well as him.
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You're wound up pretty tight about QB's running for TD's aren't you? Is there something wrong with scrambling out of a bad play and passing the ball these days?

Josh Dobbs had as many rushing TD's in a season as Manning had in his career here. Guess what? Dobbs had 53 passing TD's in his career...Manning had 89. All of Dobbs TD's (passing,rushing and receiving) combined don't equal Manning's passing TD's. Falls short by two. That's not counting Manning's 12 rushing TD's.


Dobbs 53 passing TD's
Ainge 72 passing TD's
Bray 69 Passing TD's
Crompton only started one full season...guess what? He matched Dobb's best season for passing TD's with 27...had 36 total, but only played in 7,7,8 games prior to starting his senior year.

Worley and Simms both sucked pretty much all around. Worley was tough as nails, but that did not translate into being a good QB.

Casey Clausen passed for 75 TD's, ran for 6.

In two years as a starter, Tee Martin passed for 31 TD's and ran for 16. You have to go all the way back to 98-99 to find a comparable QB to Dobbs as far as running vs passing. Yet most of those teams (excluding the really sucky QB's, put up pretty decent numbers in spite of not having a running QB.

We can play numbers games all day long...it does not change the fact that next year is a different year and using prior stats to predict next year will do you absolutely no good.

You can maintain the "We gonna lose our ******* asses" attitude all you want. In the end it is really just making you look like a fool since those numbers you're trying to use as a basis for UT's success or failure have been proven to be an exception rather than a rule. In the past 20+ years UT has had 2 suck ass QB's, 2 really good/great DT QB's and several really good/great passing QB's.

None of which is going to make a damn bit of difference next season.
 
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BaldBiker said:
You're wound up pretty tight about QB's running for TD's aren't you? Is there something wrong with scrambling out of a bad play and passing the ball these days?

Josh Dobbs had as many rushing TD's in a season as Manning had in his career here. Guess what? Dobbs had 53 passing TD's in his career...Manning had 89. All of Dobbs TD's (passing,rushing and receiving) combined don't equal Manning's passing TD's. Falls short by two. That's not counting Manning's 12 rushing TD's.


Dobbs 53 passing TD's
Ainge 72 passing TD's
Bray 69 Passing TD's
Crompton only started one full season...guess what? He matched Dobb's best season for passing TD's with 27...had 36 total, but only played in 7,7,8 games prior to starting his senior year.

Worley and Simms both sucked pretty much all around. Worley was tough as nails, but that did not translate into being a good QB.

Casey Clausen passed for 75 TD's, ran for 6.

In two years as a starter, Tee Martin passed for 31 TD's and ran for 16. You have to go all the way back to 98-99 to find a comparable QB to Dobbs as far as running vs passing. Yet most of those teams (excluding the really sucky QB's, put up pretty decent numbers in spite of not having a running QB.

We can play numbers games all day long...it does not change the fact that next year is a different year and using prior stats to predict next year will do you absolutely no good.

You can maintain the "We gonna lose our ******* asses" attitude all you want. In the end it is really just making you look like a fool since those numbers you're trying to use as a basis for UT's success or failure have been proven to be an exception rather than a rule. In the past 20+ years UT has had 2 suck ass QB's, 2 really good/great DT QB's and several really good/great passing QB's.

None of which is going to make a damn bit of difference next season.
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So what you're saying, is that Dobbs was not the best passing QB we've had? Color me shocked!

He still had a career rating of 133.2 (barely below Tee Martin at 133.6), and played in less games than any of the QBs that you listed, save for Tyler Bray. On top of that, to go with his mediocre 53 passing TDs, he had 32 rushing TDs, putting him at 16 less total TDs than Manning, while having played in 8 less games than him.

Every single QB you listed was a better passer than Dobbs except Crompton, and yet Dobbs, having played in less games than any of them (minus Bray) , had more overall TDs than any of them except Manning himself.

Let that sink in. For all of his faults, for all of his poor throws, he still scored more TDs passing and rushing than any QB since Peyton Manning.

I'm not saying that one or both of Guarantano or Dormady aren't going to be decent QBs, but expecting them to put up numbers that are anywhere close to what Dobbs did, given the Oline, RB, and WR situation in 2017, is pretty laughable.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you are saying that the sheer act of Jalen Hurd quitting the team on 10/31/2016, caused the UT offense to not be able to score more than 3 points in the second half of the Vanderbilt game on 11/26/2016? :thud:
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Yeah, he took away the option of him running the ball in certain situations, that the team used earlier in the year. I think he could have easily broken the record had he not quit... but we'll never know now will we?:thumbsup:
 
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Team 119 felt like they just missed being a 1 loss team or even *gulp* undefeated. Should of beat Florida and Oklahoma. We win those I would venture to say we would of had the confidence to beat Arkansas as well. We played Alabama nose to nose, they were just the better team, though we could of snuck them. Team 120 was a more talented team, with no physical leaders. Reeves Maybin on the sideline and no Curt Maggitt hurt us a ton. No players had as much enthusiasm to pump up the entire team like those two. They even brought out the best in Sutton, he wasn't as jacked without them. So if Team 121 can emerge a leader like those two or emerge two or three leaders like those two I think this team can be a team like Team 119, and if Butch can not screw us out of games we can be very special.

Looking at you JJ.
 
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