Shooting at a church in Sutherland springs Texas

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lawgator1 said:
I'm not the one touting the notion that the passerby stopped more slaughter. You are. The burden is on you, not me.
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The odds favor that more slaughter was prevented than not.

But I'm sure you would be lining up to take file suit against the guys that stopped the shooter.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not the one touting the notion that the passerby stopped more slaughter. You are. The burden is on you, not me.
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You are the one saying he was just walking out of the church

Ho hum, lahdy, dah I think I'll just stroll outside and enjoy this beautiful day after some fine work.

Don't pretend your version is completely assumption ridden
 
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lawgator1 said:
How do you know? What evidence do you have that he was going to go on to some other location and shoot other people? What evidence do you have that he could have done so?
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Crazy man kills 26 can't drive top another church? Maybe he was planning to hit 2 more churches. I can't explain the 1st so also can't discount the 2nd, 3rd. Sorry if that does not fall inline with your agenda.

Large groups need to be guarded from crazy people, thats what it comes down to. Can't have any soft targets in the age of insanity. Sooner we realize it the sooner we get it corrected.
 
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hog88 said:
The odds favor that more slaughter was prevented than not.
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LOL at LG. Dropped everything today to make sure nobody can make a hero out of an armed civilian.
 
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DC_Vol said:
LOL at LG. Dropped everything today to make sure nobody can make a hero out of an armed civilian.
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Glorifying guns is a huge part of what got us into the mess we are in now. Pardon me if I'm going to hold people who make such claims accountable for proving them.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's one of two comments. Stop excusing his misbehavior.
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I don't know what you got all bent out of shape over.

It looked like nothing more than a facetious comment to ruffle some feathers.

Even if you don't agree with the above, it's the politics forum and people make all sorts of things political. Hell, look at LG right now. You could stay busy chiding him all afternoon.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Glorifying guns is a huge part of what got us into the mess we are in now. Pardon me if I'm going to hold people who make such claims accountable for proving them.
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I think it's glorifying the shooter as well, the media outlets scramble to find out and publish as much as they can, as fast as they can.

I think it's plausible that part of the losers mentality is to go out as famous. To be remembered. All the media outlets are happy to oblige.

It's disgusting that the media focuses almost entirely on the shooter and rarely gives time to their victims.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Glorifying guns is a huge part of what got us into the mess we are in now. Pardon me if I'm going to hold people who make such claims accountable for proving them.
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Who's glorifying guns? If anything the man that stopped this psycho is being glorified.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don't know what you got all bent out of shape over.

It looked like nothing more than a facetious comment to ruffle some feathers.

Even if you don't agree with the above, it's the politics forum and people make all sorts of things political. Hell, look at LG right now. You could stay busy chiding him all afternoon.
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Doesn't help that it is put in the politics forum. Not all news is political. Wish the mods would rethink the off topic forums
 
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Septic said:
I think it's glorifying the shooter as well, the media outlets scramble to find out and publish as much as they can, as fast as they can.

I think it's plausible that part of the losers mentality is to go out as famous. To be remembered. All the media outlets are happy to oblige.

It's disgusting that the media focuses almost entirely on the shooter and rarely gives time to their victims.
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This is the truth!!
 
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Septic said:
I think it's glorifying the shooter as well, the media outlets scramble to find out and publish as much as they can, as fast as they can.

I think it's plausible that part of the losers mentality is to go out as famous. To be remembered. All the media outlets are happy to oblige.

It's disgusting that the media focuses almost entirely on the shooter and rarely gives time to their victims.
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I think this is way more the case than glorifying guns. It plays directly into the idea of going out and people knowing who you are...this would be true regardless of the means used. (and I'm still waiting for IED's to start getting bigger over here, which I think is inevitable)
 
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lawgator1 said:
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what do you think was going to happen if he wasn't shot?

best case scenario is that he turns himself in peacefully. chances of that I put at the likelihood that Butch Jones keeps his job after the year.

worst case is that there is another shoot out. either at another bunch of civilians, or with the cops.

can't believe you are even arguing this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Glorifying guns is a huge part of what got us into the mess we are in now. Pardon me if I'm going to hold people who make such claims accountable for proving them.
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Texas authorities referring to the person as a hero - you see the person as the problem
 
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volinbham said:
Texas authorities referring to the person as a hero - you see the person as the problem
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Of course law enforcement in Texas will call him a hero. That is a reflection of their political situation. They promote open carry and easy access to guns.

He's not a problem. But it's quite a leap to say he saved lives. That's just pure speculation, with no evidence to back it up.

That's all we need. A bunch of gun happy vigilantes out there firing in God knows what situation, creating massive risk for others, to be a hero.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
you remind us daily
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Another gem post from the obtuse right. :crazy:
Prayers and thoughts aren't enough, voting the NRA out of Congress is the solution. Laws banning assault weapons and limiting clip sizes would help reduce the mass murder. It's time get reasonable about this problem,libs and conservatives alike.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Of course law enforcement in Texas will call him a hero. That is a reflection of their political situation. They promote open carry and easy access to guns.

He's not a problem. But it's quite a leap to say he saved lives. That's just pure speculation, with no evidence to back it up.

That's all we need. A bunch of gun happy vigilantes out there firing in God knows what situation, creating massive risk for others, to be a hero.
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It's an even bigger leap to say he didn't save lives whether that be civilian or LEO. Also didn't the shooter take a hostage?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Of course law enforcement in Texas will call him a hero. That is a reflection of their political situation. They promote open carry and easy access to guns.

He's not a problem. But it's quite a leap to say he saved lives. That's just pure speculation, with no evidence to back it up.

That's all we need. A bunch of gun happy vigilantes out there firing in God knows what situation, creating massive risk for others, to be a hero.
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you are trying really hard and it's quite entertaining
 
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lawgator1 said:
Of course law enforcement in Texas will call him a hero. That is a reflection of their political situation. They promote open carry and easy access to guns.

He's not a problem. But it's quite a leap to say he saved lives. That's just pure speculation, with no evidence to back it up.

That's all we need. A bunch of gun happy vigilantes out there firing in God knows what situation, creating massive risk for others, to be a hero.
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Is it speculation to state for a certainty the civilian saved lives? Yes.

It is NOT speculation that an armed and obviously deranged person who had just committed a mass murder was met with force by an armed civilian.

So which is more likely...the armed deranged person being met with force by the civilian lessened the chances of more damage being done or had no positive influence/made things worse?
 
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