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#102
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VOL_Lyfe said:
The numbers may be the same at the moment, but the character of the records couldn't be more different. You knew CVD would never get any better; CBJ is on his way up. The program atmosphere is 1000% better now. There's reason for confidence.
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Yes this.
 
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emzeeee said:
People aren't blaming Dooley for the record this year. They're only speaking based on this dumb comparison of 27 games each. It's relevant.
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My point is the relevance of the comparison will be decided by the Florida game. If we beat Arkansas and Florida, then I will be in agreement with you and it will seem as if Butch is separating himself. If we lose either one or both of those games, then IMO there is serious cause for concern. Arkansas has won 2 conference games in 2 years, and beat an absolutely horrible Texas team (and just lost to Toledo obviously). Florida has a 1st year coach and QB and struggled to pull away from ECU, we should be further along than both of these teams at this point.
 
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Vol'er15 said:
Someone's getting testy! How long will we keep repeating the "empty cupboard" excuse? I will totally buy that after year 1. I'll even give it to you after year 2. But this is year 3, lets get with the program. What's the excuse if we lose to Florida? McElwain has been left with an empty cupboard and is in year 1, what's the excuse then? It's year 3, it's time to separate himself from Dooley's record, different situation or not..
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I'm not testy I'm simply pointing out the problem with using a record with no context. The empty cupboard was used to describe UT team when Butch arrived. That is relevant since that season was used in the calculations by the op. This really isn't difficult to understand
 
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Vol'er15 said:
My point is the relevance of the comparison will be decided by the Florida game. If we beat Arkansas and Florida, then I will be in agreement with you and it will seem as if Butch is separating himself.
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I'm with ya on this.
 
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volstuff37641 said:
its evident you did not read his post.He said Butch has more talent then Dooley ever dreamed of.
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But he didn't for his entire tenure. That is the number being discussed. I mean, if you're going to accuse someone of not reading...
 
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#107
Just a quick question, and someone could maybe make a poll out of it. Of all of the people that are flaying CBJ right now; (you know who you are) who would you rather have as a head coach?

I still believe this season is far more than salvageable. The proof to me will be how they play the Western Carolina game. If they use it as a live scrimmage to work out bugs in the pass game, I am good.
 
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Vol'er15 said:
My point is the relevance of the comparison will be decided by the Florida game. If we beat Arkansas and Florida, then I will be in agreement with you and it will seem as if Butch is separating himself. If we lose either one or both of those games, then IMO there is serious cause for concern. Arkansas has won 2 conference games in 2 years, and beat an absolutely horrible Texas team (and just lost to Toledo obviously). Florida has a 1st year coach and QB and struggled to pull away from ECU, we should be further along than both of these teams at this point.
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Watch Arkansas. That was an utter melt down by a good team. I think they curb stomp Texas Tech. They are a terrible match up against TAMU and I have them losing in Dallas. But I had them winning 8 and probably now 7 due to the Toledo debacle.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Facts seem to bother all of you "Fahr Butch" guys. Look at the recruiting classes Muschamp had vs Dooley.
I'll type this slower to help you out.
UF has some issues (here's the crucial part so pay attention) but not nearly as bad as the utter dumpster fire Butch walked into.
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God you are so dense. What do you not get about the fact that Muschamp left Florida in a bad spot, and they now have a 1st year coach, and are playing with a 1st year QB? I'm not saying it's as bad as Dooley, but it is comparable (he did his best his first year then declined in each of his next years, and was fired because of it.) We should not lose to Florida, and if we do it is cause for concern (notice I didn't say FAHR BUTCH) because we should be further ahead in Butch's 3rd year than they are in McElwain's 1st! How are you not understanding that?
 
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Vol'er15 said:
God you are so dense. What do you not get about the fact that Muschamp left Florida in a bad spot, and they now have a 1st year coach, and are playing with a 1st year QB? I'm not saying it's as bad as Dooley, but it is comparable (he did his best his first year then declined in each of his next years, and was fired because of it.) We should not lose to Florida, and if we do it is cause for concern (notice I didn't say FAHR BUTCH) because we should be further ahead in Butch's 3rd year than they are in McElwain's 1st! How are you not understanding that?
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LOL you're fun. Perhaps I can send you a copy of Hooked on Phonics too.
I said (pay attention) UF HAS issues but are not nearly as bad as we WERE in year one with CBJ. Is that true or not?
And show me where I said we shouldn't beat UF? That's right LOL I didn't did I. Have a nice day sir.
 
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#115
No matter what happens in the future, the fact is CBJ has the same record as Dooley after 27 games and that ain't good.
 
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mocfan said:
No matter what happens in the future, the fact is CBJ has the same record as Dooley after 27 games and that ain't good.
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It's not good for UT but it means nothing for Butch right now. It's explained in the thread
 
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KingtUT said:
The fact that Butch has more talent than Dooley ever dreamed of yet has the same record simply blew my mind. I believe / believed in Butch and this fact just hurts, that all.
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But look back at when Dooley was here. We weren't competitive and now we are. Oklahoma was favored and even though we should of won, they were favored and it did take two overtimes for them to win. Butch is who we need. Why do you and others try to tear him down? We have talent, although it is very very young where we didn't. Most of you who are complaining now admittedly said next year was when UT would break out. So CHILL
 
#119
#119
mocfan said:
No matter what happens in the future, the fact is CBJ has the same record as Dooley after 27 games and that ain't good.
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It isn't good if you look at the #'s and don't use context. But if you realize each year Dooley's teams declined and thus far each year CBJ's teams have gotten better then you're not worried about the #'at all.
 
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mocfan said:
No matter what happens in the future, the fact is CBJ has the same record as Dooley after 27 games and that ain't good.
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and the fact that we are very competitive in game now where we weren't in Dooley's tenure isn't a fact? Get a life man. We're in a lot better shape.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I said (pay attention) UF HAS issues but are not nearly as bad as we WERE in year one with CBJ. Is that true or not?
And show me where I said we shouldn't beat UF? That's right LOL I didn't did I. Have a nice day sir.
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As I've now acknowledged in three straight posts, it is true Dooley was worse, but that they are still comparable. Talking about me not being able to read lol
 
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KingtUT said:
The fact that Butch has more talent than Dooley ever dreamed of yet has the same record simply blew my mind. I believe / believed in Butch and this fact just hurts, that all.
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In year one he had the same roster as he does now. How stupid OP
 
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#124
I've been highly critical of Jones' chokejob against Oklahoma but using this stat is completely worthless.

What Jones has done for this program has been exactly what it needed in every way. Dooley left it devoid of underclassmen talent and with no depth on OL/DL/LB. APR was in the toilet. Dooley followed up what Kiffin did and destroyed critical relationships with high school coaches. Kiffin did it in middle-florida (where UT used to recruit well) and Dooley did it in Middle Tennessee and Georgia. Dooley went further and whined about how hard it was to recruit to Tennessee so much to where the national perception was that UT could not be recruited at.

Everything about this program was dead. Jones brought it back to life and, in 2.25 years has made a completely dead program at least relevant enough to where I've honestly heard Bill King talk about Tennessee more than any program... even after the loss. Jones improved the APR of the program and has seen it progress through residual NCAA investigations from the Kiffin years.

I've had my very harsh criticisms for Jones' gameday choices and especially his hiring of DeBord. Criticize those all you want. Don't even try to equate Jones (who works his @ss off) and Dooley (who quit at the midway point of Year 2).

I do hope Jones will turn it around. I'm just not sure he will. I never hoped Dooley would turn it around because I despised him.
 
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Vol'er15 said:
As I've now acknowledged in three straight posts, it is true Dooley was worse, but that they are still comparable. Talking about me not being able to read lol
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ReaderVol said:
Uhhh ok.
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You two have drifted into a pissing match and have said the exact same thing for the last few posts. Add something or move on.
 
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