Say it aint so! Please!

[UTblood4life]

Then you need to get further educated on this subject.
Most of that basing was from former UT players who did not play for Dooley - who were frustrated by all the losing just like most other average fans. However reaction of Dooley own players after he was fired was supportive of him and fairly typical of any other coach in this situation. For example here is the quote from Jacques Smith:

"Dooley's a great guy. He's put this program to where we need to be to be in a path for success. It just didn't happen this year. I believe if he had another year, he could have made it happen, but that's just my opinion."

And here is the full article.
Tennessee Vols players react to Derek Dooley's dismissal as head football coach | Times Free Press

If you need more proof about what his players thought here are some quotes from twitter after the firing:

Current, former Vols react to Derek Dooley's firing - GoVolsXtra Story

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Erik Ainge@ErikAinge3 (2004-07, QB)

Bye bye Dooley

I said samething as many other fellow fans.

 

[TGVol]

😂😂😂😂😂😂
Best one
Former Vols

Erik Ainge@ErikAinge3 (2004-07, QB)

Bye bye Dooley

I said samething as many other fellow fans.

CDD had to go because of the record. I was supporting him all the way to the end but even I won't deny that change was needed. However, I take exception to hateful personal attacks against CDD implying he was some kind of arrogant jerk when it's pretty clear from those articles that players who actually played for him and knew him best did not see him that way at all - many actually thought he was a great guy and were sorry he did not make it. Although I can see how some buthurt HS coaches who he ignored may have felt this way and found him an easy target for trashing once he got on the hot seat. It is also true that Butch is doing a much better job engaging former players and managing the press - Dooley did not seem to spend time/energy on any of that so it's easy to see how both press and former players would support Butch.
By the way, here is perhaps the best article to illustrate about how close some of the players got to CDD:

Daniel Hood says UT coach Derek Dooley is one of the most important people in his life - GoVolsXtra Story

 

[UTblood4life]

CDD had to go because of the record. I was supporting him all the way to the end but even I won't deny that change was needed. However, I take exception to hateful personal attacks against CDD implying he was some kind of arrogant jerk when it's pretty clear from those articles that players who actually played for him and knew him best did not see him that way at all - many actually thought he was a great guy and were sorry he did not make it. Although I can see how some buthurt HS coaches who he ignored may have felt this way and found him an easy target for trashing once he got on the hot seat. It is also true that Butch is doing a much better job engaging former players and managing the press - Dooley did not seem to spend time/energy on any of that so it's easy to see how both press and former players would support Butch.
By the way, here is perhaps the best article to illustrate about how close some of the players got to CDD:

Daniel Hood says UT coach Derek Dooley is one of the most important people in his life - GoVolsXtra Story

With that offense we had, like many other posters have said, "what a waster because of Sals defense." No doubt change was needed.

 

[WallyBalls]

Marlon Walls paints a very different picture of Dooley, FWIW.

 

[deaconkane]

I still find it funny that people actually believe Peyton would qb coach for this type of offense. Maybe the jokes on me? Lol

 

[volprof]

The fact that Butch has more talent than Dooley ever dreamed of yet has the same record simply blew my mind. I believe / believed in Butch and this fact just hurts, that all.

Like most, I believe there are serious questions with Butch's in-game management and decision-making.

However, you can nearly account for the record issue you bring up by comparing each coaches out of conference schedules alone.

Dooley had Oregon, Cincy (under Butch admittedly), and NC State. One of the latter (Cincy I think), he arranged merely so he wouldn't have to play UNC. Total wuss. But, to his credit, he probably would have lost that UNC game, so at least he got the win with Cincy.

Butch has had Oregon and Oklahoma (twice). Has shirked no pre-arranged games and has continued the trend of scheduling at least one high quality out of conference opponent.

Now, let's break this down. That is at least a two game net for Dooley with out of conference scheduling alone. If, you assume, like I do, that Dooley would have found a way to lose to UNC had he kept that game, then it would only be a one game net for Dooley overall with out of conference play.

What does this mean? That means that with just out of conference games alone, Dooley's record was 2-3 games better than Butch's by this point. As alluded to above, however, this is not a merit for Dooley. It's a weakness, because he played much weaker out of conference opponents and ones which Butch could have beaten convincingly as well I'm sure.

Net result: Butch > Dooley

 

[emzeeee]

Like most, I believe there are serious questions with Butch's in-game management and decision-making.

However, you can nearly account for the record issue you bring up by comparing each coaches out of conference schedules alone.

Dooley had Oregon, Cincy (under Butch admittedly), and NC State. One of the latter (Cincy I think), he arranged merely so he wouldn't have to play UNC. Total wuss. But, to his credit, he probably would have lost that UNC game, so at least he got the win with Cincy.

Butch has had Oregon and Oklahoma (twice). Has shirked no pre-arranged games and has continued the trend of scheduling at least one high quality out of conference opponent.

Now, let's break this down. That is at least a two game net for Dooley with out of conference scheduling alone. If, you assume, like I do, that Dooley would have found a way to lose to UNC had he kept that game, then it would only be a one game net for Dooley overall with out of conference play.

What does this mean? That means that with just out of conference games alone, Dooley's record was 2-3 games better than Butch's by this point. As alluded to above, however, this is not a merit for Dooley. It's a weakness, because he played much weaker out of conference opponents and ones which Butch could have beaten convincingly as well I'm sure.

Net result: Butch > Dooley

CBJ has also played 3 more ranked teams in his first 27

 

[volprof]

Regarding the Dooley-player relationship that is currently going on here, my last semester teaching at UT I had a football player in my class who told me he hated to see Dooley go (one of Dooley's recruits granted) and that he didn't much like Butch.

Gleaning some of the things he said to me in that particular conversation and then witnessing his conduct throughout my course gave me the impression, however, that this had nothing really to do with any merits of Dooley or any flaws of Butch. Rather, I got the impression that Dooley just let them do whatever the hell they wanted (and I've gathered that from what I experienced with some other Dooley players I taught), mostly stayed out of their business and off their asses, and therefore, they liked him.

Butch, for however goofy he can be, seems though to be installing a system of discipline and self- and group-accountability. Some of the players (particularly the Old Dooley Guard) may not like Butch as much, but I can assure you, from what I've gathered, Butch is much better for the future of these young men outside the game of football.

 

[emzeeee]

Regarding the Dooley-player relationship that is currently going on here, my last semester teaching at UT I had a football player in my class who told me he hated to see Dooley go (one of Dooley's recruits granted) and that he didn't much like Butch.

Gleaning some of the things he said to me in that particular conversation and then witnessing his conduct throughout my course gave me the impression, however, that this had nothing really to do with any merits of Dooley or any flaws of Butch. Rather, I got the impression that Dooley just let them do whatever the hell they wanted (and I've gathered that from what I experienced with some other Dooley players I taught), mostly stayed out of their business and off their asses, and therefore, they liked him.

Butch, for however goofy he can be, seems though to be installing a system of discipline and self- and group-accountability. Some of the players (particularly the Old Dooley Guard) may not like Butch as much, but I can assure you, from what I've gathered, Butch is much better for the future of these young men outside the game of football.

They're also going to be faithful to the guy that recruited them / coached them first for the most part. Nice to see the loyalty, but I'd agree with the accountability.

 

[volprof]

CBJ has also played 3 more ranked teams in his first 27

And that too.

I didn't feel like taking the time to look at the overall schedule since I figured the SEC (particularly the East and our cross-divisional foes) have been about the same through each coach's tenure, so I just figured I'd limit it to the out of conference schedule. Thanks for doing that work for my lazy butt though.

haha!

 

[volprof]

Like most, I believe there are serious questions with Butch's in-game management and decision-making.

However, you can nearly account for the record issue you bring up by comparing each coaches out of conference schedules alone.

Dooley had Oregon, Cincy (under Butch admittedly), and NC State. One of the latter (Cincy I think), he arranged merely so he wouldn't have to play UNC. Total wuss. But, to his credit, he probably would have lost that UNC game, so at least he got the win with Cincy.

Butch has had Oregon and Oklahoma (twice). Has shirked no pre-arranged games and has continued the trend of scheduling at least one high quality out of conference opponent.

Now, let's break this down. That is at least a two game net for Dooley with out of conference scheduling alone. If, you assume, like I do, that Dooley would have found a way to lose to UNC had he kept that game, then it would only be a one game net for Dooley overall with out of conference play.

What does this mean? That means that with just out of conference games alone, Dooley's record was 2-3 games better than Butch's by this point. As alluded to above, however, this is not a merit for Dooley. It's a weakness, because he played much weaker out of conference opponents and ones which Butch could have beaten convincingly as well I'm sure.

Net result: Butch > Dooley

I seriously botched the last paragraph here. I meant that, if you placed Butch's schedule into Dooley's lap, then Dooley is 2-3 games worse by this point of each coach's tenure.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I don't know why I opened this thread. It's almost like a train wreck, I don't want to stare, but I can't look away

 

[emzeeee]

And that too.

I didn't feel like taking the time to look at the overall schedule since I figured the SEC (particularly the East and our cross-divisional foes) have been about the same through each coach's tenure, so I just figured I'd limit it to the out of conference schedule. Thanks for doing that work for my lazy butt though.

haha!

Dooley: 10 ranked teams, 7 top 10, 2 top 5.
CBJ: 10 ranked teams, 8 top 10, 5 top 5.

Both average #9 (Dooley 9.1, CBJ 9.0) ranking for teams that are ranked (at time of play).

Average top 10 rank: Dooley 6.4286, CBJ 4.625

Dooley teams played #'s: 1, 2, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, 12, 17, 17
CBJ teams played #'s: 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 19, 19, 19.

Dooley teams played 1 ranked OOC (at home)
CBJ teams played 3 ranked OOC (2 away, 1 home)

SOS rankings (Sagarin at the end of each season):
2010: 43
2011: 12
2012: 25 (Dooley avg.: 26.6)
2013: 10
2014: 9
2015: (currently 24) (CBJ overall: 14.3, whole season: 9.5)

Dooley lost his bowl game, CBJ won.

All of this aside, it is time for CBJ to win some important games. Can compare the two until you're blue in the face, but this is the year he has to move out of Doolander's shadow.