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chargervol said:
Bass, come on.
Hitler was a power-hungry psycho. An evolutionary view did not lead him to kill. Racism was a primary motivator also and that completely goes against the theory of evolution.

There is not one single historical writing or speech from Hitler mentioning Charles Darwin, only a vague reference to survival of the fittest.
And he was using that as survival of the strongest. Which had nothing to do with Evolution. Survival of the fittest entails a creature's ability to adapt. Not force their will on others. Every single concept of evolution is completely anti "Master race".
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I would offer the strongest rebuttal I can to the statement that evolution goes against racism. How? Evolution has everything to do with passing down my genes. Who cares about other people in an evolutionary system?

In fact, what standard for morality at all does evolutionary theorists propose? Their own opinions? Common sense? Those things are not universal but change constantly.

Nietsche was a consistent atheist in this front. Atheism and evolution lead to nihilism and thus there is no meaning, no purpose, no transcendent values, and no objective morality. It is all what we make of it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
First I don’t exercise blind faith.

Second, I’m not getting into a debate about the age of the earth. I know Christians who are old earth and Christians who are young earth. There are serious scientists who believe in a young earth and offer up tons of scientific evidence.

And again, the dating methods you cite involve assumptions. Assumptions which cannot be proven such as uniformitarianism. That’s all I will contribute to this discussion.
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"There are serious scientists who believe in a young earth and offer up tons of scientific evidence."

6,000 years old? Please, share just a tiny bit of these "tons of evidence."
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
Maybe if you are a psychopath, yes. Evil exists in many forms and comes in many disguises; however, if you need the guidance of the Bible to not kill people, then there is something extremely wrong with you.
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You are completely misrepresenting me and my statements and thus there is no reason to continue this discourse.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You’re right here. Successful apologetic encounters involve learning the other position. My only point is that I’m not going to act as tho they’re right.
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You don't have to act like they're right. It just helps to not always tell them they are wrong with no chance of being right. More about how you debate than who is right or wrong. Real conversation can't really happen otherwise.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
But that argument works in favor of Christians who’ve used scripture to do awful things as well.
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Which is exactly the point I was making. You can accuse Christians of abusing the Scriptures sure. They have. People have used evolution as justification for atrocities as well. I mean, we’re jusr animals, right?
 
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chargervol said:
As DS pointed out, the link has been attempted many times. Even been books written by the hardcore. It's a cheap parlor trick like that 700 club guy blaming Katrina and 9/11 on the sins of the cities.

Jim Jones and David Koresh were just evil and I would never blame their acts as a Christian related culture.
There are evil people and their thoughts on our origin play absolutely no part in their sickness.
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Agreed... I was just pointing out that if you wanted to, you could connect some dots or draw some parallels.

But that would be up to the person(s) making the attempt, not because there's some evidence linking him to any particular movement, or ideology, being discussed here, in the context being discussed here.

Hitler didn't have the support from any particular faith, nor was he acting in their behalf. He wasn't in a sanctioned crusade.
 
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Sleegro said:
You don't have to act like they're right. It just helps to not always tell them they are wrong with no chance of being right. More about how you debate than who is right or wrong. Real conversation can't really happen otherwise.
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I’m sorry, but the NT says not only that I can tell them that they’re wrong but that I should.
 
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Glitch said:
I can't remember, do you have kids? As I parent, I can't keep my kids from all hurt and pain. Nor should I. They can't grow if they don't feel a little hurt every now and then. However, it is also my job to keep them safe, and a if people are allowed to use the restroom of their choice only because they "identify" as the opposite sex, there are sick twisted pervs that will take advantage of that. That is how I feel and I may be slightly irrational about it, but in this day with all of the sexual harassment issues swirling around, it is lunacy to even be discussing this. It is a recipe for disaster. We don't need a law either though. Common sense should rule the day here. If you are a dude, go to the dude's room. If you are a lady, go to the ladies room. If it is a one hiker with a lock and you are a dude that is about to crap their pants and no ladies are waiting and the men's room has been locked for 10 minutes.... go in the ladies room, lock the door, and clean the seat thoroughly upon your departure as a courtesy.
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No kids.

Nothing is stopping a pervert from identifying as a man and going into a restroom to harass people in the first place, though.


I totally get the worry you have. I do have a question though. Does that worry extend so far that you don’t want someone who has undergone sex change operations and hormone therapy to be able to use a women’s room? Would you rather that person be forced to use the restroom with your son? Isn’t that at least equally upsetting?


IMO, you are what you’re born as. I don’t consider someone who’s undergone those procedures to really be a woman. But I also think it’s common sense that someone who has radically changed their body to the point that some transgenders have probably should be able to switch their bathroom choice as well. Nobody is putting that much time, effort, and money into changing their private bits with an endgame of “finally, I can get into a women’s bathroom and harass young girls.”

At the same time, I definitely understand why people are uncomfortable with pre-ops using a women’s room.

Idk, I guess I just think you if you’ve cut off your wiener and bought boobs and a vagina that you’ve paid enough of a debt to be able to take a tinkle in the room for people without dongs.
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
Lol creation.com?

How about some peer-reviewed research, bub? You know published data using actual experimentation.
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Those are PHD scientists with degrees from serious institutions. If you don’t agree, which, you didn’t even look at it considering how quickly you responded, then take it up with them. If you contact them they will even respond and answer your questions and objections and not talk down to you as if you are ignorant.

If you want to discuss this, take it up with them. As I said, I’m not getting involved in this debate. Not my area.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I would offer the strongest rebuttal I can to the statement that evolution goes against racism. How? Evolution has everything to do with passing down my genes. Who cares about other people in an evolutionary system?

In fact, what standard for morality at all does evolutionary theorists propose? Their own opinions? Common sense? Those things are not universal but change constantly.

Nietsche was a consistent atheist in this front. Atheism and evolution lead to nihilism and thus there is no meaning, no purpose, no transcendent values, and no objective morality. It is all what we make of it.
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Evolution is based on species evolving to suit their surroundings and what is good for a species in 1 area can be completely worthless to it in another.

An absolute polar opposite of a one Master race theory.
Oh, and the little part about us all coming from a black or dark skinned group in Africa, kinda doesn't jive with the whole pure Arian bloodline thingy.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Those are PHD scientists with degrees from serious institutions. If you don’t agree, which, you didn’t even look at it considering how quickly you responded, then take it up with them. If you contact them they will even respond and answer your questions and objections and not talk down to you as if you are ignorant.

If you want to discuss this, take it up with them. As I said, I’m not getting involved in this debate. Not my area.
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I read one point on Genetic Eve, but she lived over 200,000 years ago. All of it required stretches. Nothing concrete. Do you believe dinosaurs didnxt exist either?

I see no peer-reviewed research there. You clearly don't understand how science works, but good science works on objective information from experimentation... not people manipulating information to fit his or her agenda.
 
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Sleegro said:
Fair enough. Just letting you know why you don't seem to be getting many people to see things from yer perspective.
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I know why people don’t see things from my perspective. It’s not a mystery. I feel we’ve had good discussions today, up until the last few minutes.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I’m sorry, but the NT says not only that I can tell them that they’re wrong but that I should.
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I struggle mightily with this notion. I get what the Bible says about it.

I also think it's used quite literally, and to the detriment of what the intent behind it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I would offer the strongest rebuttal I can to the statement that evolution goes against racism. How? Evolution has everything to do with passing down my genes. Who cares about other people in an evolutionary system?

In fact, what standard for morality at all does evolutionary theorists propose? Their own opinions? Common sense? Those things are not universal but change constantly.

Nietsche was a consistent atheist in this front. Atheism and evolution lead to nihilism and thus there is no meaning, no purpose, no transcendent values, and no objective morality. It is all what we make of it.
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Good work Bass.
 
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