Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[jakez4ut]

How could that even be enforced?

It couldn't unless you were sued for discrimination as a result of sticking to your policy on men and women's room.

Bad things happen when government tries to legislate common freaking sense.

 

[BigZiti09]

Not gonna lie: I’ve used a women’s bathroom before. It was at a 7-11, there was someone in the men’s room, and I was about to s*** my pants.


Somehow, nobody got hurt.

That’s the same thing.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

It was in reaction to a business being sued for discrimination because someone that identified as the opposite sex wanted to use the other bathroom. And the business said, uh you're a guy...use the men's room.

So we got house bill 2.

And no it did not work out.

Classic 2 wrongs = more wrong.

I wasn’t aware of the context and the specifics. Thanks for the rundown :hi:

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

That’s the same thing.

I guess I’m just a deviant, then. But if I had to choose s***ting in my pants or a toilet in the women’s room, I’m taking the toilet 10 times out of 10.

 

[drvenner]

Ali was always a favorite of mine, as a fellow Parkinson’s sufferer, and meeting him a while back was very similar. He was just a shell of a person, not to mention a shadow of the Ali that was a sports revolutionary. I boxed for 3 years and I have headaches and arthritis. Can’t imagine what doing it for decades does to a human.

Did not know this about you. Prayer and good vibes for you, Sir.

 

[BigZiti09]

I guess I’m just a deviant, then. But if I had to choose s***ting in my pants or a toilet in the women’s room, I’m taking the toilet 10 times out of 10.

I was being sarcastic cause it’s not the same thing at all.

 

[VolGee4]

Hate speech is punishable by a court of law. Public criticism is very different.

Hate speech is not a crime in this country. A hate crime is, but there has to be an act associated with it. Not sure what you are referring to. Even in civil court, it arises to more of a freedom of speech.

 

[jakez4ut]

I wasn’t aware of the context and the specifics. Thanks for the rundown :hi:

The blow back was a general reaction to the notion that a business couldn't be sued for discrimination, hence the very public outcry.

The reality is all it was intended to do was protect business owners and state/county/local governments from being sued for not allowing a person who had not surgically altered their gender, nor had their birth certificate altered, for gender discrimination.

So to say "I identify myself as a women, and I prefer the women's room", simply wasn't good enough to make a business or government let you use the women's room.

I think it even had verbiage about government facilities eventually having to add single sex , multi-use bathrooms!!!!

Instead, we were the state that "legalized discrimination".

Hands down one of the dumbest things I've ever been privy to....
:crazy:

 

[Glitch]

Not gonna lie: I’ve used a women’s bathroom before. It was at a 7-11, there was someone in the men’s room, and I was about to s*** my pants.


Somehow, nobody got hurt.

How is going into a one hole bathroom with nobody else in there, locking the door, and doing your business remotely close to a man going into a multi-toilet restroom with ladies present and claiming that because he feels pretty it is his right?

 

[Glitch]

Hate speech is not a crime in this country. A hate crime is, but there has to be an act associated with it. Not sure what you are referring to. Even in civil court, it arises to more of a freedom of speech.

Go out and sling some racial slurs around and see how that works for you. Personally I think words only have the power you give them, but I was not on the popular side in that debate.

 

[drvenner]

A few thousand years old. It's not billions of years old like many would like you to believe.

Science is hard.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Science is hard.

It’s not as easy as people act like. Dating is not done by observation, obviously. They run tests, but those tests involve assumptions such as uniformitarianism and others. If those assumptions are wrong, the date would be changed dramatically.

 

[BigZiti09]

The blow back was a general reaction to the notion that a business couldn't be sued for discrimination, hence the very public outcry.

The reality is all it was intended to do was protect business owners and state/county/local governments from being sued for not allowing a person who had not surgically altered their gender, nor had their birth certificate altered, for gender discrimination.

So to say "I identify myself as a women, and I prefer the women's room", simply wasn't good enough to make a business or government let you use the women's room.

I think it even had verbiage about government facilities eventually having to add single sex , multi-use bathrooms!!!!

Instead, we were the state that "legalized discrimination".

Hands down one of the dumbest things I've ever been privy to....
:crazy:

On top of that you had groups/orgs boycotting the state of NC because they didn’t show acceptance.

 

[drvenner]

Because things in America are easy for Christians right now. But in the world at large it is the most persecuted religion in the world today. There are more Christians being persecuted and killed now than at any one time in history. In America Christians are by far the most mocked religion in media which is a form of persecution as Jesus said in Matthew 5 that I quoted earlier. Things will get worse eventually here is McGill’s point.

I am a Christian. However, many of the other Christians I know are among the worst at mocking alternative belief systems, other religions and especially other Christians.

 

[VolGee4]

Go out and sling some racial slurs around and see how that works for you. Personally I think words only have the power you give them, but I was not on the popular side in that debate.

I am a criminal defense attorney and never represented someone for hate speech, because it's not a crime. People don't get arrested for it.

Now, is it free from consequences? No. Do I condone it? No. But I was just reacting to the statement that hate speech is punishable by a court of law. It's punishable by the court of public opinion.

 

[Sleegro]

This sounds really nice in our current politically correct climate. It sounds like the right thing to do to act as though everyone could be right and we can't say who is right or who is wrong. But that is not what we are taught in the Bible nor is it the example of Christ and the Apostles. They were not friendly to false religions or false teachers. They did not act as though everyone could be correct. They said things like the following:

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Jesus spent an entire chapter in Matthew's gospel, 23, condemning false teachers such as the Pharisees with statements like this:

"Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves." (Matthew 23:15).

Paul said the following:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8.

The Apostle John is the same way:

"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1st John 2:22-23.

This may not be politically correct, but it is the way that Christ and the Apostles addressed false teachers and false teaching. I am a Christian. I believe the Bible. the Bible does not allow for the possibility of other ways outside of Christ. And thus, when I present the gospel, I will not do so from a position that someone who denies Christ is in a good place and could possibly be correct. My duty as a Christian is to mimic Christ and His apostles.

I will do so respectfully, I will not insult anyone and I always try to be gentle and reverent, but I will not act as though these sayings in the Bible aren't there. You can attack beliefs without attacking people. It happens in respectful apologetic debates all the time.

I don't have any problems with what you have said here. My point is when you state it like you do it is likely to close the other person's mind and defeat yer purpose. It has nothing to do with political correctness. Its about framing yer point in a way that doesn't alienate who you are talking to. If you are not willing to listen to anyone else's point of view then why should anyone else listen to yours. I guess my philosophy is in a debate where usually nobody's mind is ever changed, the best way to get them to acknowledge yer point is to acknowledge theirs first. Then you can actually have a conversation instead of talking at each other. Imo that is the biggest thing missing in our society. Again though, I'm not taking shots at you. I appreciate how you handled this discussion. I'm just giving my opinion. And I have not stated ever whether we have the same religious beliefs or not. Just speaking from an overall standpoint.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I am a Christian. However, many of the other Christians I know are among the worst at mocking alternative belief systems, other religions and especially other Christians.

That’s a shame. Mocking doesn’t help. Those belief systems should be challenged but mocking doesn’t help at all.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I don't have any problems with what you have said here. My point is when you state it like you do it is likely to close the other person's mind and defeat yer purpose. It has nothing to do with political correctness. Its about framing yer point in a way that doesn't alienate who you are talking to. If you are not willing to listen to anyone else's point of view then why should anyone else listen to yours. I guess my philosophy is in a debate where usually nobody's mind is ever changed, the best way to get them to acknowledge yer point is to acknowledge theirs first. Then you can actually have a conversation instead of talking at each other. Imo that is the biggest thing missing in our society. Again though, I'm not taking shots at you. I appreciate how you handled this discussion. I'm just giving my opinion. And I have not stated ever whether we have the same religious beliefs or not. Just speaking from an overall standpoint.

You’re right here. Successful apologetic encounters involve learning the other position. My only point is that I’m not going to act as tho they’re right.

 

[jakez4ut]

On top of that you had groups/orgs boycotting the state of NC because they didn’t show acceptance.

Oh yeah, as a state we paid dearly. Hope everyone is happy with themselves.:banghead2:

It makes me angry just thinking about it. I'll never forget looking at the tv as this whole thing was going down and being explained... just standing there saying WTF?!?!?

 

[drvenner]

A lot of people have killed as a result of believing evolution, that people are nothing but animals, absolutely.

I am still waiting on the Darwinist Crusades to hit.

 

[VolGee4]

I am a Christian. However, many of the other Christians I know are among the worst at mocking alternative belief systems, other religions and especially other Christians.

I guess I am in my own little world. I am a Christian and don't really socialize or talk to people who "mock" other Christians. Do we sometimes discuss how some denominations are different or "stricter"? Sure. But, I am not a part of a group that mocks others. That is not for me to decide.

 

[BigZiti09]

Oh yeah, as a state we paid dearly. Hope everyone is happy with themselves.:banghead2:

It makes me angry just thinking about it. I'll never forget looking at the tv as this whole thing was going down and being explained... just standing there saying WTF?!?!?

For me when people say “oh you’re overreacting. They’ll never do _________” I just think of men in women’s bathroom and the backlash NC received. If that’s what’s happening now just imagine where it’s headed.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't have any problems with what you have said here. My point is when you state it like you do it is likely to close the other person's mind and defeat yer purpose. It has nothing to do with political correctness. Its about framing yer point in a way that doesn't alienate who you are talking to. If you are not willing to listen to anyone else's point of view then why should anyone else listen to yours. I guess my philosophy is in a debate where usually nobody's mind is ever changed, the best way to get them to acknowledge yer point is to acknowledge theirs first. Then you can actually have a conversation instead of talking at each other. Imo that is the biggest thing missing in our society. Again though, I'm not taking shots at you. I appreciate how you handled this discussion. I'm just giving my opinion. And I have not stated ever whether we have the same religious beliefs or not. Just speaking from an overall standpoint.

Well said.:hi:

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I am still waiting on the Darwinist Crusades to hit.

Hitler

 

[drvenner]

I guess I am in my own little world. I am a Christian and don't really socialize or talk to people who "mock" other Christians. Do we sometimes discuss how some denominations are different or "stricter"? Sure. But, I am not a part of a group that mocks others. That is not for me to decide.

I have never known anyone at my church to act this way. The proclaimed Christians who do mock have been individuals for the most part and not one specific denomination or group of people mocking en masse.