Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

omghulkhands

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Most people who are addicted to pills are also marijuana users. It is not an either/or situation. They go together.

You can believe the hype or not, but it follows the same pattern as cigarettes, opioids of the '90's (non-addictive), alcohol (wine for your heart), etc. Follow the money, and you will see why marijuana supposedly is good for anything that ails you. It's just proper marketing strategy.

If marijuana helps children with seizures, other people with pain, I am all for it in their case, but the FDA is approving medications that will eventually take care of this issue, without "legalization" being necessary. That is, assuming that the science really stands up to scrutiny, which I doubt that most of it will.
The whole reason it’s illegal in the first place is because of marketing if you’re gonna go down that rabbit hole.

https://www.history.com/news/why-the-u-s-made-marijuana-illegal
 

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For sh!ts and giggles and/or if your just bored I highly recommend Joel Salatin’s book Everything I want to do is Illegal. Goes in depth on a lot of regulatory issues dealing with Food and environmental industry that shut out the small producer in America and promote large corporate interest. He does a good job beating up on the philosophy of folks on both sides of the aisle who have put monetary interest in front of the well being and freedoms of every day Americans
 

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I was diagnosed with arthritis on my lower spine between my vertebrae at 19 years old. They said my options were pain management or spinal fusion surgery and gave me a script for daily pain meds. AT NINETEEN. Flushed em. Been smoking MJ the last 3 years (never did in hs or college) and it is truly a miracle drug. My sciatica, muscle spams, and other back pain from the arthritis is probably 80-90% improved, even when I’m not “high.” Plus, it’s been so good for my anxiety/depression I was able to get off Lexipro as well. I’m now on ZERO prescribed medications, and feel better than ever. I hope to see legalization so that the health benefits of MJ are readily available in oil or edible form instead of having to smoke.
 

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Ignorance is bliss.
I know the "prevailing wisdom" is that marijuana cures everything in life, and beyond. I stand by what I said, and I promise I am not ignorant on the subject.

Talk to a cigarette smoker, and he can likely validate his reasons for smoking. Heck, some people have smoked their whole life, and died (healthy) at 100 years old. Still, almost 500,000 people die every year from cigarette smoking in the U.S., and most smokers are truly hooked on nicotine, and dearly wish they knew how to quit.

I could show information about spychosis, etc., but we all know that everyone is going to stand their gound. I get it that people enjoy their weed, and a lot of people are giving out "data" to support that.

...I have a life, and I am just going to leave it to everyone else to discuss, or not. I did not start this discussion, but I do have right to my opinion, like everyone else.
 
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Most people who are addicted to pills are also marijuana users. It is not an either/or situation. They go together.

You can believe the hype or not, but it follows the same pattern as cigarettes, opioids of the '90's (non-addictive), alcohol (wine for your heart), etc. Follow the money, and you will see why marijuana supposedly is good for anything that ails you. It's just proper marketing strategy.

If marijuana helps children with seizures, other people with pain, I am all for it in their case, but the FDA is approving medications that will eventually take care of this issue, without "legalization" being necessary. That is, assuming that the science really stands up to scrutiny, which I doubt that most of it will.
wow
 

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Legalize. Tax the hell out of it. Use money to fund this nation's crumbling infrastructure. Everyone wins.

End of discussion
Not picking on you Cat, but using this as an example: why do we always have to tax something? Even small government minded folks fall into this trap, and push for taxes on certain items to regulate instead of figuring out how we can instead reduce expenditures, let folks keep their money, and let prosperity reign amongst everyone.
 
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I've seen different opinions, but I'm not sure I've ever seen such a meandering take on why you're against legalized weed.

Between tax revenue, unloading a burden on the prison systems, opening an avenue for a what, trillion? dollar industry (that would create jobs, hello).. you're worried about what again? You think it's just as or more harmful than cigarettes? I'm still trying to cobble your logic together..
 

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Not picking on you Cat, but using this as an example: why do we always have to tax something? Even small government minded folks fall into this trap, and push for taxes on certain items to regulate instead of figuring out how we can instead reduce expenditures, let folks keep their money, and let prosperity reign amongst everyone.
Fair enough.
 
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Yall are behind the times. In the Pacific NW, we legalized marijuana and gay marriage years ago. Now we are considering legalizing psychedelics and lowering the DUI BAC limit 0.05%.
There's some interesting testing they're doing re: psychedelics and PTSD..

I've dropped acid once and tried mushrooms a couple times.. I don't know if I can take LSD ever again, because I saw through all the bullsh--.. Another dose would probably turn me into a full blown anarchist tbh
 

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There's some interesting testing they're doing re: psychedelics and PTSD..

I've dropped acid once and tried mushrooms a couple times.. I don't know if I can take LSD ever again, because I saw through all the bullsh--.. Another dose would probably turn me into a full blown anarchist tbh
I read some of those studies. Very interesting. Scares the crap out of me though.
 

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I read some of those studies. Very interesting. Scares the crap out of me though.
Psychedelics can be very overwhelming at large doses, but the growth of microdosing has opened people's minds to responsible use not unlike having a single glass of wine. MDMA is a wonderful PTSD treatment in guided counseling. Could help thousands of veterans following combat. It promotes empathy, something all too lacking in today's world.
 

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I've seen different opinions, but I'm not sure I've ever seen such a meandering take on why you're against legalized weed.

Between tax revenue, unloading a burden on the prison systems, opening an avenue for a what, trillion? dollar industry (that would create jobs, hello).. you're worried about what again? You think it's just as or more harmful than cigarettes? I'm still trying to cobble your logic together..

I really don't have time for this today, but...@#%@#...Here goes....A retired DEA agent sent this to me last week...This is just a quick sample...
(from Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
January 2019 * Volume 48, Number 1 * Alex Berenson)...
Over the last 30 years, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have turned speculation about marijuana's dangers into science. Yet over the same period, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has pushed public attitudes about marijuana the other way. And the effects are now becoming apparent.

Almost everything you think you know about the health effects of cannabis, almost everything advocates and the media have told you for a generation, is wrong.

They've told you marijuana has many different medical uses. In reality marijuana and THC, its active ingredient, have been shown to work only in a few narrow conditions. They are most commonly prescribed for pain relief. But they are rarely tested against other pain relief drugs like ibuprofen-and in July, a large four-year study of patients with chronic pain in Australia showed cannabis use was associated with greater pain over time.
They've told you cannabis can stem opioid use-"Two new studies show how marijuana can help fight the opioid epidemic," according to Wonkblog, a Washington Post website, in April 2018- and that marijuana's effects as a painkiller make it a potential substitute for opiates. In reality, like alcohol, marijuana is too weak as a painkiller to work for most people who truly need opiates, such as terminal cancer patients. Even cannabis advocates, like Rob Kampia, the co-founder of the Marijuana Policy Project, acknowledge that they have always viewed medical marijuana laws primarily as a way to protect recreational users.

As for the marijuana-reduces-opiate-use theory, it is based largely on a single paper comparing overdose deaths by state before 2010 to the spread of medical marijuana laws- and the paper's finding is probably a result of simple geographic coincidence. The opiate epidemic began in Appalachia, while the first states to legalize medical marijuana were in the West. Since 2010, as both the epidemic and medical marijuana laws have spread nationally, the finding has vanished. And the United States, the Western country with the most cannabis use, also has by far the worst problem with opioids.


....There is way more to the article, but you get the gist...

The article primarily discusses marijuana and psychosis...Do you want to discuss this here, or elsewhere?
 
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I was diagnosed with arthritis on my lower spine between my vertebrae at 19 years old. They said my options were pain management or spinal fusion surgery and gave me a script for daily pain meds. AT NINETEEN. Flushed em. Been smoking MJ the last 3 years (never did in hs or college) and it is truly a miracle drug. My sciatica, muscle spams, and other back pain from the arthritis is probably 80-90% improved, even when I’m not “high.” Plus, it’s been so good for my anxiety/depression I was able to get off Lexipro as well. I’m now on ZERO prescribed medications, and feel better than ever. I hope to see legalization so that the health benefits of MJ are readily available in oil or edible form instead of having to smoke.
I believe it needs to be fully legal because lots of people do not want to go to the doctors and instead self medicate. Some people just know what helps them without need of going and spending money at a doctor office and may be put on prescription drugs that can do more harm than good. Imo
 

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I really don't have time for this today, but...@#%@#...Here goes....A retired DEA agent sent this to me last week...This is just a quick sample...
(from Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
January 2019 * Volume 48, Number 1 * Alex Berenson)...
I've read the article and Berenson cherry-picked and sensationalized. His proof is largely anecdotal accounts of folks being high on pot while they did terrible things.
 

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