Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

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butchna said:
I asked a valid question. You don't have an answer. That's fine...just acknowledge. Where in my question did you read you not being allowed to talk about anything?
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I did acknowledge. Without having every single specific, I can't identify a solution. But this isn't about identifying a solution, just discussing the problem. We know the problem exists. Are we only allowed to discuss the problem if we have a solution?
 
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butchna said:
That comes with the NOA...patience grasshopper.
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I'm not demanding anyone's head yet but there has to be accountability. Pruitt's deadline has come and gone and there hasn't been even a whisper on his end which tells me that he indeed screwed up bigly and that fault is mainly his rather than UT's (his lawyer would've gladly carried out his threat if he could've done so without harming his client) but my conclusion isn't based on hard evidence. It's based on comparing his behavior to how people have acted in similar situations and while I think the conclusion I've drawn is correct it's still not proof of anything. UT can't hide from it forever and the longer they avoid addressing some things the more it looks like they have a share in it. That's why it needs to be addressed and dealt with.

The autopsy has been done and the dead body is starting to stink. Time to take it out back and bury it.
 
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Weezer said:
It's an observation. What needs to improve specifically I can't say simply because there's a lot we don't know. But it's not wrong to say we're struggling at recruiting when we missed on our last 3 targets. I actually have faith Heupel will fix the problem, but I don't see why we can't acknowledge there is a problem? Are we supposed to pretend it's not a problem? I mean, we all do agree that there are holes on this team, right? I think we do anyway. I also seem to recall all of us being hopeful of filling those holes through the portal. Now, I understand we still have the Spring, but we have clearly targeted certain players, and we didn't get those players. Are we not allowed to talk about that?
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I don't post GIF's or memes, but if I did, it would be the beating the dead horse. Weez, we all know our Vols have not landed every single target they wanted. But guess what, neither have 99.9% of the other schools not named Texas A&M. Just give it a rest and bring up something else to discuss since you seem to live on this message board 24/7.
 
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Weezer said:
I did acknowledge. Without having every single specific, I can't identify a solution. But this isn't about identifying a solution, just discussing the problem. We know the problem exists. Are we only allowed to discuss the problem if we have a solution?
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Once again, I haven't denied you any ability to discuss. It's just useless fluff without a theoretic solution. I'll let you get in the last word because this is always a roundabout without an exit when you get defensive.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Thank you Steve for your public service of taking all this down and posting it. Maybe some people will start to believe it now that Swain has said it publicly.

We are a brand and a fan base that it well-positioned to succeed in the NIL age. Programs like Bama and UGA's typical annual slush fund for paying players under the table has been about $500k, give or take. They have an established infrastructure for distributing it that most schools don't have, and those who try to replicate it end up passing cash in McDonald's bags and failing miserably. NIL money is going to put that old way of doing business to shame and they are going to look like the local bookie on the corner when the Harrah's Sports Book opens up across town. People should start embracing it and getting involved.
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I also think this applies to coaches. I think there are coaches that have been considered "great recruiters" that won't understand dropping off 10 or 20K doesn't mean as much in the NIL era as it did in a pre NIL world.
 
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butchna said:
Once again, I haven't denied you any ability to discuss. It's just useless fluff without a theoretic solution. I'll let you get in the last word because this is always a roundabout without an exit when you get defensive.
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Meh, I'm done anyway. At least you've been somewhat civil today. More than I can say for some.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Alright I'm going to give everyone some notes from Swain this morning, since apparently it was must-listen:

And after listening and typing this out, this podcast episode should be REQUIRED LISTENING. Please share this info with other fans. Gain perspective, provide perspective.

On Neyor:
- our passion is unrivaled, our fans love the program and support the program/team
- our same passion that is our superpower is also our curse
- Neyor had great RFr year at Wyoming, will be a pro player
- initial reports were he could go, and where the experts expected him to look - all TX schools (Texas, A&M, Baylor), because HE'S FROM TEXAS
- Tennessee shot their shot, pushed hard on Neyor, got commitment
- Swain and crew initial reaction when Neyor committed - shocked and surprised, very surprised. Not that he picked TN, but that he picked TN so quickly and without visiting.
- Think that most fans had the same reaction about Neyor surprise commitment - "ok, wow, who is this guy" (as an aside, I agree with this)
- committing like that without visiting is so abnormal
- Who was last player to commit without visiting? - Bryce Brown
- Our biggest strength, which is our passion, is also one of our biggest weaknesses
- There is a narrative now that we aren't doing anything with NIL, and it has been repeated WAY MORE THAN IT SHOULD, now people actually think it's the truth
- Most fans would not be saying this if they knew what was really going on, if they really had inside info
- Some fans choose to be upset, choose to believe false info, choose to share false info - that is on YOU (you are a miserable person)
- This is not worth freaking out about
- Neyor initially said that he wanted to stay close to home, translates to a high priority
- gets on phone with TN, talks to coaches, talks to players, without a visit he commits
- use your brain, what does that tell you? He says he wants to stay home, but commits to a school 12 hours away
- this means that Tennessee was VERY CONVINCING (NIL) - we had a great deal for him
- we pulled a player from TX, who said he wanted to stay home, he tried to talk about what he liked when he committed, but between the lines he was saying that the deal was good
- so if our NIL is so bad, how the hell did we get a kid to commit without even visiting??
- Obviously our NIL program is in place to be strong enough to pull kids without them even visiting
- Fear the whole time was that Texas would enter the picture
- Tennessee was never worried about Ole Miss - they don't have a NIL program like we do, they don't have the other factors that we have that have always made us a more attractive program
- Swain thought that he was going to Texas as soon as he stepped on campus there, for all of the reasons that we have discussed on this board (Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV)
- Texas wouldn't be worth a damn if they couldn't get a kid from Texas that they intended to get, that liked Texas
- Same deal with us and Trey Smith, and Cade
- We have a ton of non-millionaires telling millionaires what they should be doing with THEIR MONEY, and they don't even know that those same boosters/donors are HELPING
- WE HAVE PROMINENT FORMER PLAYERS INVOLVED IN HELPING WITH NIL - think about who you think that may be
- NIL is not going to be a problem
- what is a problem? NIL + the new transfer portal has created insanity. Two new rules at the same time that would change the game on their own.
- now you have players getting in the portal just to see how much money they can get from other schools, then deciding if they want to leave or not
- the environment now is that if you have ONE GOOD YEAR (like Neyor), you can hop in the portal now and get money
- most would do the same thing, when you have leverage you use it
- The meltdown outrage is NOT WORTH IT with Neyor and it's MISGUIDED and it's based on BAD INFO
- he wanted to be closer to home, his family wanted to come to the games, he is an hour away now
- our offense and system is way more attractive than what Texas had going on, but people make decisions based on whatever is important to them
- he committed WITHOUT TAKING A VISIT - a guy that grew up in Texas, that loved Texas, raised to love Texas, and he wanted to be home
- Simply put - Tennessee did not lose out on Neyor based on NIL
- We had a great deal for him.
- Word on the street about Neyor was that Tennessee had outbid everyone else, but it came down to location/home for him

On the state of the program and our standing with NCAA, how that is impacting the goings on:
- Jeremy Pruitt got caught RED HANDED, and it's the reason that everyone got fired
- Tennessee told the NCAA what they were going to do in regards to punishing ourselves, they still played in the bowl game (implying that the NCAA would have liked for us not to have played in bowl game(s))
- There is another narrative that Tennessee is scared of the NCAA, but we played in the bowl game
- but we got caught red handed so we have to do SOMETHING, besides firing everyone
- That means - reduction of scholarships, limiting eval time
- as soon as Spring is over, Tennessee will be able to get back into the hunt and start adding players to this roster
- but right now we cannot do that because we are still serving out our little bit of time - we are like in the halfway house right now, or on house arrest. Light at the end of the tunnel but we're still locked down.
- this is the LAST STRETCH, we have a couple more months then we have satisfied what you told the NCAA that you were gonna do
- we got caught, we told the NCAA what we were going to do, and that's it - that's pretty good
- so we can't take 5, 6, 7 dudes from the portal right now like others
- DO NOT LET F.O.M.O. GET TO YOU - we aren't missing out
- What did TN do after spring last year? they added transfers. they already proved that they could do that.
- but narratives have been created - the sky is falling, the staff isn't doing a good job
- sometimes you just won't know what the plan is, and you have to be ok with that
- WE CAN'T JUST TELL EVERYONE WHAT WE'RE DOING

Swain: "I wish I was coming out right now and was about to get that deal that Neyor was about to get at Tennessee."
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UTProf said:
I'm not demanding anyone's head yet but there has to be accountability. Pruitt's deadline has come and gone and there hasn't been even a whisper on his end which tells me that he indeed screwed up bigly and that fault is mainly his rather than UT's (his lawyer would've gladly carried out his threat if he could've done so without harming his client) but my conclusion isn't based on hard evidence. It's based on comparing his behavior to how people have acted in similar situations and while I think the conclusion I've drawn is correct it's still not proof of anything. UT can't hide from it forever and the longer they avoid addressing some things the more it looks like they have a share in it. That's why it needs to be addressed and dealt with.

The autopsy has been done and the dead body is starting to stink. Time to take it out back and bury it.
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Of course UT has a share in it, Pruitt worked for UT did he not? This very fact is why UT is taking a hit on numbers. Like it or not UT has to suffer for that idiot, it’s sadly part of the game but in this case no news is good news we gave the ncaa everything they needed, let them do the rest and we will be quiet about it and go on our way.
 
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UTProf said:
I'm not demanding anyone's head yet but there has to be accountability. Pruitt's deadline has come and gone and there hasn't been even a whisper on his end which tells me that he indeed screwed up bigly and that fault is mainly his rather than UT's (his lawyer would've gladly carried out his threat if he could've done so without harming his client) but my conclusion isn't based on hard evidence. It's based on comparing his behavior to how people have acted in similar situations and while I think the conclusion I've drawn is correct it's still not proof of anything. UT can't hide from it forever and the longer they avoid addressing some things the more it looks like they have a share in it. That's why it needs to be addressed and dealt with.

The autopsy has been done and the dead body is starting to stink. Time to take it out back and bury it.
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The NOA will detail everything...then we can fasttrack the accountabilities. Not a second sooner.
 
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GiggerVol said:
I don't post GIF's or memes, but if I did, it would be the beating the dead horse. Weez, we all know our Vols have not landed every single target they wanted. But guess what, neither have 99.9% of the other schools not named Texas A&M. Just give it a rest and bring up something else to discuss since you seem to live on this message board 24/7.
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You do realize I was responding to people, right?
 
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Jimmy Football said:
Those are bonnets. Clever way to sell a nearly extinct article of clothing, though.

Can’t wait until all the cool kids are wearing NFL-branded neck ruffles.
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Astute observation that made me literally laugh out loud and relay the post to the OH who also laughed. It helps if you say "Sohoodie" in a deep "cool guy" voice.
 
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UTProf said:
Someone slide Will Wade's Dad in Law a fifty so we can get this over with.
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The NCAA has yet to rule on them…Will wade will get fired and their program will suffer greatly. In his contract it states that any ncaa high level infraction they get means he gets fired with cause and he doesn’t collect his buyout.
 
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