Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[hotcypress]

This is an interesting development........

Fayetteville forfeits six games, goes from Region 5-1A champion to out of playoffs

BULLETIN: Fayetteville will not attend TSSAA BOC Meeting: FHS Gets Restraining Order

this is my hometown. It's straight bull. The county and the city systems have open zoning, but the TSSAA is taking issue because of bus routes. These boys went undefeated and had to deal with the death of a teammate in the middle of the season. Now they are robbing them of their victories and passion after they sent a letter to the school clearing that player to play in September. Bull.

 

[SLICKYINC]

What’s our OL coach got to do with this tweet?

Put his other hat on..

 

[SweetasSoda]

It won't.

People who think it's going to change the balance are just wrong, there'll be a handful of players that can really demand some money for their likeness (Zion for example).

Essentially it'll give them the ability to sign stuff and make pocket change, and also do appearance etc.

Just think about it like this.

NFL - 32 teams (53 man rosters) ~ 1696 NFL players
NBA - 30 teams (17 man rosters) ~ 510 NBA players

That's your two biggest sports in the US right now, less than 2500 players between them. NCAA over-sees 1268 schools with nearly 500k student athletes.

In short, Nike/Gatorade/Under Armour etc. are more likely to pay a professional athlete already at the highest level in their sport money than they would a student athlete who may not have much national name recognition outside the fanbase for his school.

Cause not even every NFL/NBA athlete has big time sponsorship money coming in.

Are they going to control how much an athlete can charge for each item or appearance?

 

[smokeyz1]

Wondering if the NCAA will try to regulate the new student-athlete endorsement rules. People are saying the larger market areas will have an advantage to get more 5* athletes.

I tend to think it will open a whole new form of cheating. Boosters will be able to funnel cash through every small business in town to the football player(s) of choice. Players will receive thousands of dollars to allow their name to be associated with any business related weekend event. It will get out of control without some oversight.

 

[Devo182]

I could be wrong...but I think most college athletes (if they're smart) will keep their earnings low. Mom & Dad lose certain tax benefits if they begin to earn too much.

Doesn't make financial sense. Kid should max his earnings. And I'm not sure what parents would lose. Child Tax Credit does not apply to 18 YOs. There is no longer an exemption for dependents either. The parents will likely not be giving 1/2 support, so they can't claim them on their taxes anyway.

 

[SweetasSoda]

@LaagerVol @SweetasSoda Not the same, but drove up from New Orleans to hike fiery gizzard and stone door, eat at high point, last summer. Gorgeous as always.

Awesome! Next time make it to Savage Gulf State Park entrance at Suter Falls over here by me! Eventually we should have the 1300 acre Southern Gulf Off Road Park open for ATVs if you like that sort of fun.

 

[Devo182]

Wondering if the NCAA will try to regulate the new student-athlete endorsement rules. People are saying the larger market areas will have an advantage to get more 5* athletes.

I tend to think it will open a whole new form of cheating. Boosters will be able to funnel cash through every small business in town to the football player(s) of choice. Players will receive thousands of dollars to allow their name to be associated with any business related weekend event. It will get out of control without some oversight.

This has been discussed publicly and feels like obvious probable outcome. And no need to even funnel. Notice, it's no longer against the rules. It's legal, so just do it. Without limits, private payments could now just be made public. Doesn't change much I guess.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Zion is a great example. He’d of made more money off his name in Los Angeles last year...or DURHAM? Lot more taxes in the former.

So we need to keep our taxes low so the best athletes want to come to Tennessee?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Good lord.

DEVO, you just gave Catbone nightmares!

 

[engineerVOL]

Just opened three straight fun size packs of Starburst. All pink. What does this mean?

 

[Pane di mais]

Awesome! Next time make it to Savage Gulf State Park entrance at Suter Falls over here by me! Eventually we should have the 1300 acre Southern Gulf Off Road Park open for ATVs if you like that sort of fun.

Like to go in boots, but I am glad! Lots happening with parks in our state and in that area!

Edit: Everyone down here goes to Tennessee for vacay. They talk about it all the time.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Just opened three straight fun size packs of Starburst. All pink. What does this mean?

You are getting lucky later?

 

[engineerVOL]

You are getting lucky later?

 

[Devo182]

Are they going to control how much an athlete can charge for each item or appearance?

In the statement, it said they want to allow SAs to have the same ability to earn money as any other student. Other students don't have caps on income, so if they really want that - I'd say no.

Now, they also said they want to keep intact the separation of amateurism/professionalism. This smells like having limitations imo.

 

[SweetasSoda]

this is my hometown. It's straight bull. The county and the city systems have open zoning, but the TSSAA is taking issue because of bus routes. These boys went undefeated and had to deal with the death of a teammate in the middle of the season. Now they are robbing them of their victories and passion after they sent a letter to the school clearing that player to play in September. Bull.

Good grief

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Are they going to control how much an athlete can charge for each item or appearance?

Very unlikely, would be a slippery slope that the NCAA -shouldn't- get involved in.

The most likely, control point the NCAA can enforce is capping yearly earnings for scholarship eligibility. Since you can define that pretty much equally across the board for every sport/state.

 

[ob79]

I just want to be a fly on the wall simply to see the joy I can only imagine will be experienced! I hope @ob79 will come back and tell us all about it. I'm certain memories will be made!

I haven't left, I promise. I just haven't posted as much lately...being on night shift and working an average of 60 hours a week for what seems like forever has me constantly playing catch up.

I'll try and give the play by play on Saturday and then recount it again after the weekend. I've been looking forward to this for a while.

 

[butchna]

Are they going to control how much an athlete can charge for each item or appearance?

Don’t see how they can.

 

[butchna]

Doesn't make financial sense. Kid should max his earnings. And I'm not sure what parents would lose. Child Tax Credit does not apply to 18 YOs. There is no longer an exemption for dependents either. The parents will likely not be giving 1/2 support, so they can't claim them on their taxes anyway.

If your dependent’s in college you can still claim them...and provide insurance.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Just opened three straight fun size packs of Starburst. All pink. What does this mean?

Your wife is pregnant, and it’s a girl???

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Doesn't make financial sense. Kid should max his earnings. And I'm not sure what parents would lose. Child Tax Credit does not apply to 18 YOs. There is no longer an exemption for dependents either. The parents will likely not be giving 1/2 support, so they can't claim them on their taxes anyway.

Claiming a College Student as a Dependent | H&R Block

Since scholarships don't count towards the 1/2 support right now, most parents would lose any ability to claim them as dependents if the student athlete exceeded 1/2 the (other) support cost not covered by their sport scholarship.

From the linked website:

Can I Claim My College Student as a Dependent if They Don’t Meet the Above Tests?
If your child doesn’t meet these tests, your college student can still be your dependent if:

• You provide more than half of the child’s support.
• The child’s gross income (income that’s not exempt from tax) is less than $4,150.

 

[butchna]

So we need to keep our taxes low so the best athletes want to come to Tennessee?

Actually the lowest priority there. We don’t have the state income tax in Texas either.

 

[Devo182]

People have brought up if big markets might have an advantage with the new NCAA rules.

In their statment, one of the guidelines set by the board for each division to form new rules by is to "not create a competitive imbalance".

This, again, reeks of caps or limits. Otherwise, I don't see how it wouldn't create an imbalance.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

CFA gonna redshirt and come back next year? And is Fant a wide receiver now? Saw notes on 247 and wondered about them.

 

[Blake25p]

Probably nah. Think the earliest would be in 21 with the new consoles

Yeah it’s gonna take a while to figure out how to compensate the players then they have to develop the game. 22 more likely IMO.