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Now IMO elite recruiting can make an average coach darn good.

Calipari for sure fits that mold and perhaps Barnes as well IMO.

But when I say elite recruiting i am saying 5star guys on a regular basis
 
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BruinVol said:
Now IMO elite recruiting can make an average coach darn good.

Calipari fits that mold and Barnes as well IMO.

But when I say elite recruiting i am saying 5star guys on a regular basis
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Yup. Cal is not some coaching genius. In fact, if you stick cal with teams that we have had in the past, I'd be willing to bet they'd flop like a fish.
 
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BruinVol said:
I understand what you saying and I certainly follow recruiting but IMO programs that aren't able to recruit the 5star talents are made with great X/O coaching.

IMO there isn't a big reason to get bent out of shape if your team finished ranked 20th or if it's finished 40th in the recruiting team rankings. Not much difference at all if the coach is worth his salt.

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Agree to disagree. Unless you have an exceptional coach Izzo, Ryan, Brad Stevens), there's a big difference in performance between strong and poor performers in recruiting rankings. Tennessee's classes averaged 33 in the nation from 2006 to 2010 with 5th, 7th and 10th ranked classes in 06, 08 and 10. Since then, they've averaged 55. with the best class being a 36th ranked one in 2013. It would be hard for even even great coaches to deal with that kind of talent drain.

And, just as important, you can't consistently lag behind your league competitors in bringing in talent.

Off my soapbox now and hoping that 2017 brings a "wow" or "splash" or two.
 
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BruinVol said:
Dang how bad were the classes in 07 and 09
For the average to drop all the way down to 33?


Seems odd math
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They were 87th and 66th. Basically, they loaded up with big classes with 4 and 5 stars in 06, 08 and 10 and took small classes in the odd years. Also doesn't count that they got J. P. Prince and Tyler Smith as 5 and 4 star transfers in the 2007 class. If those guys had been counted as stars, that would have been another top 20 class at least.
 
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germanicus said:
They were 87th and 66th. Basically, they loaded up with big classes with 4 and 5 stars in 06, 08 and 10 and took small classes in the odd years. Also doesn't count that they got J. P. Prince and Tyler Smith as 5 and 4 star transfers in the 2007 class. If those guys had been counted as stars, that would have been another top 20 class at least.
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Makes sense. Really need to throw out Those outliers(87/66) IMO. For all intensive purposes those classes Were very equivalent to top 10 classes every year if you count Those transfers.


I stand by my post that says there is very little difference in finishing 20-40. I know you disagree and that's fine.

With that being said I think crb has to be in the same range that CBP was in recruiting to be successful
 
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Rob Lewis saying he thinks we land Fulk and Williams and save one for spring where we pursue Fernando pretty aggressively. Said he understands the grumblings from fans on this class, but that something has to be said for these all being guys Tennessee evaluated and offered early in the spring. Said Barnes doesn't care about rankings at all obviously, and trust his evaluations as much as any coach he's seen, they really truly like these guys. This isn't a case where they wanna sign 4 so that's what they're gonna do, these are guys they identified early on, offered and made priorities.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Rob Lewis saying he thinks we land Fulk and Williams and save one for spring where we pursue Fernando pretty aggressively. Said he understands the grumblings from fans on this class, but that something has to be said for these all being guys Tennessee evaluated and offered early in the spring. Said Barnes doesn't care about rankings at all obviously, and trust his evaluations as much as any coach he's seen, they really truly like these guys. This isn't a case where they wanna sign 4 so that's what they're gonna do, these are guys they identified early on, offered and made priorities.
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"Said Barnes doesn't care about rankings at all obviously, and trust his evaluations as much as any coach he's seen"

Not exactly what these guys want to hear :no:
 
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CAVol said:
I trust the guy that's put tons of guys into the NBA over a recruiting service.

But that's just me probably.
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I want to agree but how many of those NBA guys he sent were under the radar guys like we are discussing. From what has been said here not many if any were
 
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BruinVol said:
I want to agree but how many of those NBA guys he sent were under the radar guys like we are discussing. From what has been said here not many if any were
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Under the radar or not, he knows talent when he sees it. You don't put that many guys in the league through luck.
 
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BruinVol said:
I want to agree but how many of those NBA guys he sent were under the radar guys like we are discussing. From what has been said here not many if any were
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Also, it's not like recruiting services are giving 5* rankings to bums and giving 3* rankings to Lebron James all the time.
 
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CAVol said:
Under the radar or not, he knows talent when he sees it. You don't put that many guys in the league through luck.
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Perhaps he put that many into the league with great recruiting classes based on services rankings
That's my impression anyway
 
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BruinVol said:
Perhaps he put that many into the league with great recruiting classes bases on services rankings
That's my impression anyway
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I'm gonna trust the coach that will be a hall of fame inductee knows what he's doing when he offers a kid a scholarship or makes a decision to not recruit a kid.
 
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BruinVol said:
I want to agree but how many of those NBA guys he sent were under the radar guys like we are discussing. From what has been said here not many if any were
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A basketball player can be a hell of a college player without being a NBA player, that is very possible and happens quite often actually.
 
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BruinVol said:
Perhaps he put that many into the league with great recruiting classes based on services rankings
That's my impression anyway
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Isaiah Taylor who was projected as a lottery pick last season prior to his injury was an unranked 3* by rivals, didn't have a 247 national ranking, and was outside the top 300 by 247 composite rankings fwiw
 
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CAVol said:
I'm gonna trust the coach that will be a hall of fame inductee knows what he's doing when he offers a kid a scholarship or makes a decision to not recruit a kid.
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Nothing wrong with that at all. I just hope he isn't out of his evaluation comfort zone as he hasn't made a living out of recruiting guys ignored by multiple services
 
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volakil said:
"Said Barnes doesn't care about rankings at all obviously, and trust his evaluations as much as any coach he's seen"

Not exactly what these guys want to hear :no:
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Ask any college basketball or football coach about rankings and they will tell you "rankings don't matter.....we trust our evaluations.....etc, etc. etc"
 
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Not much pop or excitement surrounding the basketball program, unfortunately. I was hoping (and I am still hoping) that Barnes would (will) get it rolling again. He seems to be keeping a very low profile but I am looking forward to see his product on the floor.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Isaiah Taylor who was projected as a lottery pick last season prior to his injury was an unranked 3* by rivals, didn't have a 247 national ranking, and was outside the top 300 by 247 composite rankings fwiw
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Dexter Pittman was a 3 star by rivals and made it.
 
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Does anyone else feel that if a prospect is not rated in the top 150 or near it, then they are just an unranked 3* prospect? I mean we are splitting hairs at that point. If a kid is an unranked 3* I just look at their offer list. Nobody other than 247 ranks guys outside 150 so I don't know how you can really give a lot of attention to their composite ranking for guys beyond 150.

I guess what I'm saying is that I trust rankings up to 150. Beyond that, I look at offer lists.

Trying to figure out where the Derek Reese's of the world are rated is nuts IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Isaiah Taylor who was projected as a lottery pick last season prior to his injury was an unranked 3* by rivals, didn't have a 247 national ranking, and was outside the top 300 by 247 composite rankings fwiw
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Taylor is a very good example


Pittman was a top 100 player when looking at the composite rankings.

How many posters would trust calipari evaluating the type of players we are recruiting in the 2016 class?

I wouldn't trust him Because its way outside his comfort evaluation zone. To me Barnes is similar just not as extreme as that. I also compare the 2 of them as on the floor coaches as well
 
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