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Dallasbowlin said:
I don't know, but I'm already looking at other coaches that I'd love to have... I hate that I'm doing that, but I am. I'll always support Rick, and hope he brings us "back." In some way, but I'm not feeling as confident as I was when he was hired.
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You never were behind Barnes....
 
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CAVol said:
I know I don't need to explain it to you, but you have to build relationships with these kids early on. Especially in basketball recruiting. Going to a new school that has been in NCAA turmoil and recruiting top flight talent is not easy. We may think our program is a great program, but our perception with kids sucks right now. That has to be corrected before the big time guys start giving us hard looks. Right now, Barnes needs to lock up guys that he thinks he can develop. Jalen Johnson is an elite athlete that looks like he has some promise. Fulkerson looks like a decent stretch four that probably needs a red shirt year but looks like he has some promise if he can bulk up. Josh Bone is a very capable point guard who may not be all conference but can hold his own in this league for sure.

People on here are crucifying Barnes when we haven't even seen what kind of product he's putting on the court. We're also bashing kids he's recruiting before they've even played their senior year of high school. I'm not saying Fulkerson is gonna be great, but Barnes track record of putting players in the NBA and developing talent IMO means he deserves some sort of benefit of the doubt. He's a hall of fame coach and the best coach we've had since Pearl.

The recruiting class will not be top 15 this year. Right now, we need to recruit 3 and 4 year players who can develop in the system and give us some quality stability. I see that in our class right now. The elite talent will come in the next few classes I believe.
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Nobody is wanting him fired and everyone will wait and see what it looks like. Its a message board and people are going to give their opinions based on the info at the time. If building relationships is so important then how do you explain what Auburn, Miss State, and Alabama is doing in a short time with their recruiting. I do feel he will be better next yr at least that's my hope.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Nobody is wanting him fired and everyone will wait and see what it looks like. Its a message board and people are going to give their opinions based on the info at the time. If building relationships is so important then how do you explain what Auburn, Miss State, and Alabama is doing in a short time with their recruiting. I do feel he will be better next yr at least that's my hope.
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Because Barnes doesn't have the Texas name or resources anymore.

It's pretty simple.
 
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It will get better, but anyone expecting top 25 classes consistently with Barnes is going to be disappointed.
 
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BruinVol said:
Neither do the other 3 schools you listed in the post you quoted
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Bruce Pearl is a well known marketer and salesman.

Ben Howland is a great coach with incredible success and a lot of NBA players.

Avery Johnson is a former NBA coach that went to the NBA Finals that was on ESPN almost every day for two years and has numerous ties to the NBA.

Rick Barnes is a 61 year old coach who hasn't had tournament success in the last 7-8 years and was just fired from Texas.

That's why those schools are having big success on the recruiting trail, and Tennessee currently isn't.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Nobody is wanting him fired and everyone will wait and see what it looks like. Its a message board and people are going to give their opinions based on the info at the time. If building relationships is so important then how do you explain what Auburn, Miss State, and Alabama is doing in a short time with their recruiting. I do feel he will be better next yr at least that's my hope.
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Look at who the coaches are and their track record with shady dealings in recruiting. Pearl and Howland? Surely you see why. Avery Johnson not so much but he was a former NBA head coach.
 
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CAVol said:
Look at who the coaches are and their track record with shady dealings in recruiting. Pearl and Howland? Surely you see why. Avery Johnson not so much but he was a former NBA head coach.
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I highly doubt Pearl is going to be doing anything illegal.

Howland is fair, but Howland also has an absolute incredible resume and ridiculous track record of putting players in the NBA that is really helping him at Miss State.
 
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zjcvols said:
Because Barnes doesn't have the Texas name or resources anymore.

It's pretty simple.
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We have better facilities, better fan support and the Texas name doesn't carry weight in basketball like it does football.

You can keep posting about Texas being a heavyweight but it is not.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
We have better facilities, better fan support and the Texas name doesn't carry weight in basketball like it does football.

You can keep posting about Texas being a heavyweight but it is not.
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We don't have better fan support. They have more money, more resources

Texas is a better basketball job than Tennessee, especially right now. Consider the fact that Shaka Smart didn't even interview for the UCLA job. He then took off for Texas. That shows how coaches view the Texas job. A sleeping giant.
 
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zjcvols said:
We don't have better fan support. They have more money, more resources

Texas is a better basketball job than Tennessee, especially right now. Consider the fact that Shaka Smart didn't even interview for the UCLA job. He then took off for Texas. That shows how coaches view the Texas job. A sleeping giant.
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This and who helped build that name in basketball? Rick Barnes. Everyone chill.
 
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zjcvols said:
We don't have better fan support. They have more money, more resources

Texas is a better basketball job than Tennessee, especially right now. Consider the fact that Shaka Smart didn't even interview for the UCLA job. He then took off for Texas. That shows how coaches view the Texas job. A sleeping giant.
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How much $ we have has zero effect on recruiting in a negative way. We have Unlimited funds for recruiting.
 
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zjcvols said:
I highly doubt Pearl is going to be doing anything illegal.

Howland is fair, but Howland also has an absolute incredible resume and ridiculous track record of putting players in the NBA that is really helping him at Miss State.
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ZJC, I respect you but you're naive if you think Pearl is doing things clean.
 
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CAVol said:
ZJC, I respect you but you're naive if you think Pearl is doing things clean.
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Maybe he isn't. I don't think he's stupid enough to do anything that is going to get him fired again. It's possible I am wrong though.
 
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zjcvols said:
We don't have better fan support. They have more money, more resources

Texas is a better basketball job than Tennessee, especially right now. Consider the fact that Shaka Smart didn't even interview for the UCLA job. He then took off for Texas. That shows how coaches view the Texas job. A sleeping giant.
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We absolutely have better fan support. Even under Tyndall, in our worst year record wise and attendance wise since Buzz Peterson, we averaged about 4k more per game than Texas.

I would bet that we have better basketball facilities as well.

The "Texas" name doesn't carry the same weight in hoops.

As far as having more money, yeah they have more but we have enough. Money doesn't matter if you have it. Tennessee has it.

I don't know why Shaka took that job and I don't know why he passed on lots of great jobs. Maybe he worried that his window was closing. Maybe he wanted out at VCU. Maybe his wife finally decided to be more open to a change.

Him taking that job doesn't make Tennessee a bad job. The right coach at the helm of the REAL UT basketball program can win big. Pearl proved that and if he hadn't screwed it up, you would still be seeing it right now.
 
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germanicus said:
There's not that many, though. The kid who is the current Texas PG is one, but almost all the other guys he's put in the pros have been top 100 type kids.
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Again, not every player has to be a pro, many very good college players never play a day in the NBA. Rivals goes back to 2002, here are all the non-4&5 stars high school recruits that Barnes landed during that span, and their junior/senior stats, since typically that's about when you'd look for them to contribute...

Kenton Paulino...6.9ppg/9.8ppg

Edgar Moreno...transferred after year 2

Kenny Taylor...7.3ppg/10.6ppg

Connor Atchley...9.5ppg/5.3rpg/2.1bpg left for NBA JR yr

AJ Abrams...16.5ppg/16.6ppg considered one of best to play at Texas

Matt Hill...0.7ppg/1.6ppg knee injury derailed career

Dexter Pittman...10.1ppg/10.4ppg in the NBA

Dogus Balbay...4.1ppg 2.7apg/3.8ppg 3.9apg Big 12 all defense

Varez Ward...played in 30 games as a frosh, averaged 4ppg, transferred to be close to ill mom after FR season

Jaylen Bond...transferred after year 2

Javan Felix...11.6ppg soph, 8.7ppg jr.

Demarcus Holland...7.1ppg, started every game as a soph. Named Big 12 all defensive team

Connor Lambert...5.8ppg 5.2rpg soph./5.1ppg 5.4rpg jr.

Isaiah Taylor...12.7ppg/13.1ppg...considered NBA draft pick

Martez Walker...4.7ppg/2.3rpg as a freshman, transferred to be closer to home



Of the 3 stars that Barnes recruited, he gets some major contributions from, or they transfer out (read into that what you will). He clearly has a history of taking 3 star guys and developing them into starters, and all conference caliber players on a pretty regular basis.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
We absolutely have better fan support. I would bet that we have better basketball facilities as well. The "Texas" name doesn't carry the same weight in hoops. As far as having more money, yeah they have more but we have enough. Money doesn't matter if you have it. Tennessee has it.

I don't know why Shaka took that job and I don't know why he passed on lots of great jobs. Maybe he worried that his window was closing. Maybe he wanted out at VCU. Maybe his wife finally decided to be more open to a change.

Him taking that job doesn't make Tennessee a bad job. The right coach at the helm of the REAL UT basketball program can win big. Pearl proved that and if he hadn't screwed it up, you would still be seeing it right now.
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Where did I say that Tennessee is a bad job?

Texas is a better basketball job than Tennessee. It's pretty simple. That doesn't mean Tennessee is a bad job.
 
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zjcvols said:
Where did I say that Tennessee is a bad job?

Texas is a better basketball job than Tennessee. It's pretty simple. That doesn't mean Tennessee is a bad job.
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Texas is not a better job than Tennessee in my opinion. Is it in a better place right now than Tennessee? Yeah, you could make that argument.

Barnes can recruit just as well at TN and he did at TX. This "Texas" mystique you speak of does NOT exist.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Texas is not a better job than Tennessee in my opinion. Is it in a better place right now than Tennessee? Yeah, you could make that argument.

Barnes can recruit just as well at TN and he did at TX. This "Texas" mystique you speak of does NOT exist.
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Yes, it is. They have more in-state talent by a wide mile, they have more money and resources, they have a bigger name nationally, they boast more stability, they have more higher profile NBA players that can bring exposure to the program, etc.

Tennessee MIGHT have better facilities. Might. Saying Tennessee is a better job is blind.
 
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• On Texas: "One of the top revenue schools. Everything you need to win from a facilities/financial standpoint. It's a phenomenal football school, and [it has] an unbelievable recruiting bed. Unlike UK and Carolina, you have a pool of kids growing up, dreaming of playing in Texas, in-state. That's not happening as much at those other schools."
 
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zjcvols said:
Yes, it is. They have more in-state talent by a wide mile, they have more money and resources, they have a bigger name nationally, they boast more stability, they have more higher profile NBA players that can bring exposure to the program, etc.

Tennessee MIGHT have better facilities. Might. Saying Tennessee is a better job is blind.
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There is more than enough talent in our region to recruit a contender.

We have better fan support (which you said we didn't)

We have the facilities.

We have money.

Pearl showed what the right coach can do here.

You want to argue that Texas is a better job. That's fine. I won't continue that argument with you. You're convinced that Texas is better.

Even IF you believe Texas is a better job, it's not substantially better than Tennessee. If Barnes can't get it done here, then it's on him. It's not because Tennessee isn't a good enough job and it's not because Tennessee is this huge step down from Texas.
 
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