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This is spot on, and like everyone I like a good piece of bacon. I'm not a fan of Leach though. I think he probably helps teams that have lesser talent with his system but it's never enough to win big championships.Here is my take on Leach. I liken Leach to a great batch of bacon (the greatest food known to man). When you first put it on the skillet/griddle it pops, sizzles, and makes a lot of noise. Then it gets quiet. It smells great and everybody within a certain radius is loving the bacon smell and wishes they had the bacon. However, the people close to the bacon keep getting popped and burned by the grease every so often. Then you flip it and it makes a little more noise, but for a shorter duration. Every once in a while you take a piece off and eat it, and it is awesome. However, the longer it is left on the heat, the worse it gets and at the end of the day you have tough, burnt bacon.
The one time he’s been in legitimate contention for a championship was after he beat Texas at Texas Tech - until he lost to Oklahoma by 44.This is spot on, and like everyone I like a good piece of bacon. I'm not a fan of Leach though. I think he probably helps teams that have lesser talent with his system but it's never enough to win big championships.
This is spot on, and like everyone I like a good piece of bacon. I'm not a fan of Leach though. I think he probably helps teams that have lesser talent with his system but it's never enough to win big championships.
He's also stayed at war with the administrations where he's coached and he left every one even worse off I believe. He's a funny interview, he's a terrific play caller on the offensive side but that's about it when it comes to football. One trick ponies are seldom successful at winning championships, you've got to be a well rounded football team to compete for championships.I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit he's a great coach. He goes to places and wins big where it's been rare to non-existent before. Texas Tech, Washington State and Miss State are three of the worst football schools historically in CFB. James Franklin did part of what Leach did at one school and got the Penn State job from it. Leach has also built a strong college coaching tree, something no UT coach has managed to pull off in a long time. He won't ever coach here but to just flat out deny he knows what he's doing is to ignore reality.
Here is my take on Leach. I liken Leach to a great batch of bacon (the greatest food known to man). When you first put it on the skillet/griddle it pops, sizzles, and makes a lot of noise. Then it gets quiet. It smells great and everybody within a certain radius is loving the bacon smell and wishes they had the bacon. However, the people close to the bacon keep getting popped and burned by the grease every so often. Then you flip it and it makes a little more noise, but for a shorter duration. Every once in a while you take a piece off and eat it, and it is awesome. However, the longer it is left on the heat, the worse it gets and at the end of the day you have tough, burnt bacon.
"Great" is a relative term.I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit he's a great coach. He goes to places and wins big where it's been rare to non-existent before. Texas Tech, Washington State and Miss State are three of the worst football schools historically in CFB. James Franklin did part of what Leach did at one school and got the Penn State job from it. Leach has also built a strong college coaching tree, something no UT coach has managed to pull off in a long time. He won't ever coach here but to just flat out deny he knows what he's doing is to ignore reality.
It was an impressive win for Leach, no doubt. But I think the biggest takeaway was the elephant in the room----just how much talent LSU lost. They replaced 14 NFL draft picks from that roster. It's pretty apparent now that this isn't an Alabama situation where after a natty they're just ready to compete again that very next year.
Leach will be a good one for Miss State, but I'm not going to crown him off one game. He is going to have to recruit really well to compete in the SEC and good luck getting Top 5 classes to come to Starkville. That alone makes that job a nightmare.
All SEC teams are dealing with the "Not Normal" season. Mississippi State and Tennessee do share 8 common opponents. Not sure what your point is?
I agree with you. LSU did lose a ton of talent. But, they consistently have top 10 recruiting classes so they have players. Last year, their defense gave up a lot of points to good teams, but Burrow just out scored them. With all that being said, if Pruitt went to LSU and won, VN would be obsessing over if he would take the Alabama job when Saban retires.
Agreed with the ridiculous contact tracing. I'm not salivating over Mike Leach. I do think he's funny and time will tell on if his system will work long term. CJP is on year 3 and has the opportunity to use players he's recruited. Leach has been in Starkville for less than a year, with a qb who hasn't played since 2018 and had no spring ball with a team he doesn't know well. I'd be fine if Tennessee extended Pruitt's contract through 2030, but I disagree that there will be nothing to take away from seeing how each teams handle the 8 common opponents.Not every SEC team participated in the ridiculous contact tracing that we do. We are behind the 8 ball because of that ridiculous crap. Maybe MS did do like we did who knows? I know that people are salivating over what Leachs team did against a rookie secondary. Bottom line is whatever happens between our commn opponents means nothing this year. It doesnt prove anything either way.
...the only "hardware" he's ever won in 18 years is just two division championships.
True - neither was an outright division title and he didn't play in a conference title game because he lost the tiebreakers. And he got beaten quite convincingly in both tiebreaking games.And to help you make your point, let's clarify that one statement. He never actually won a division championship. Never took his team to a conference championship game.
In 2008, he did tie Oklahoma and Texas for the best records in the B12-South. But there were tie-breakers in place, and Oklahoma won those. So the B12-South champ, and the one who went to the conference championship game, was the Sooners.
In 2018, he did have the same record in the PAC-North as in-state rival, Washington. But Washington had _just_ beaten his team head-to-head in the "Apple Cup" rivalry game. So they were the PAC-North champs, and went to that championship game.
He never actually won any title at any level.
But I like him, he's a funny guy. And I hope he upsets a couple more teams this season. I just don't expect him to ever turn his unique way of winning into anything lasting. Nothing with the word "championship" in it.
Not only did LSU lose talent but they lost coordinators. I don't think Orgeron wins to many games in the SEC w/o really good offensive and defensive coordinators to help him out. I predict a major reality check for LSU football this year.It was an impressive win for Leach, no doubt. But I think the biggest takeaway was the elephant in the room----just how much talent LSU lost. They replaced 14 NFL draft picks from that roster. It's pretty apparent now that this isn't an Alabama situation where after a natty they're just ready to compete again that very next year.
Leach will be a good one for Miss State, but I'm not going to crown him off one game. He is going to have to recruit really well to compete in the SEC and good luck getting Top 5 classes to come to Starkville. That alone makes that job a nightmare.
What a funny and true analogy. Well done.Here is my take on Leach. I liken Leach to a great batch of bacon (the greatest food known to man). When you first put it on the skillet/griddle it pops, sizzles, and makes a lot of noise. Then it gets quiet. It smells great and everybody within a certain radius is loving the bacon smell and wishes they had the bacon. However, the people close to the bacon keep getting popped and burned by the grease every so often. Then you flip it and it makes a little more noise, but for a shorter duration. Every once in a while you take a piece off and eat it, and it is awesome. However, the longer it is left on the heat, the worse it gets and at the end of the day you have tough, burnt bacon.
I know LSU is the reigning national champion, but I think we will learn they are a very different team than last year’s team.I'll take the mercurial coach every now and then. Pruitt has proven he can beat the teams Tennessee should always beat, acceptable at best unimpressive at worst. He's even proven he can lose to teams he should never lose to. But he's never beaten a team he has no business beating. Leach in his first game already has that. He went into Baton Rouge and beat the national Champs with a team that Tennessee beat pretty good last year. At the end of the day Tennessee and MSU will most likely end up about the same record wise this year but I guarantee Mike Leach will be talked about in a positive way for that win while Pruitt won't because Pruitt won't do anything impressive.
I hope Pruitt can prove me wrong and Tennessee beats Florida or Bama. I'm tired or slow and steady thst got us nowhere with Butch Jones. We need some mercurial immediately.
Leach would have been a horrible fit in Knoxville. His personality is a total clash with southerners.
Horrible fit for who, for the fans or for Phil? Lookit, I do not want to appear disrespectful for the purpose of being condescending or cute. I am generally glad that Fulmer got the AD job, and I think Pru is a good coach. I'm happy to have him. But I wanted Leach a long time ago, and we kept getting duds because certain people do not want a HC with a personality. I think that Leach would have won, making him a good fit. That did not happen, so I don't want to distract from Coach Pruitt. I think he deserves our support despite his record to date. I'm not just saying that. I think he's a good coach, and I believe in Tennessee's future with Coach Pruitt.