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whodeycin85 said:
Pardon my ignorance on this as I haven't researched it..but if the national parks are profitable why would they need government funds to maintain them and keep them employed?
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Every park has an operating budget, funds are allocated for the year, that's all the park gets. Funds collected by the park from entrance fees to campground fees are sent to the treasury department,those funds are not allowed to be used by the park.

I don't think everyone knows that.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If that’s true, the local community who is benefiting from them is more than welcome to pay those costs.
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The local community does pay, thru taxes. Millions visit national parks annually. When visitor centers are open fewer hours, on fewer days, toilets are locked trails are closed the experience is expectedly unpleasant. A million or 3 pissed off voters works in favor of democrats.
 
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volfanhill said:
IMO the real question at hand is does the constitution guarantee rights for citizens and noncitizens. IMO opinion the answer is yes is many cases. To include due process. If only for the matter of protecting and actual citizen from unlawfully getting tossed by a government official. I don't want the decider on that to simply be some ICE official where I don't have representation
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I understand. But you've connected dots i am unable to connect. Specifically:
- what due process protects and if those protections are at risk in an illegal immigrant case.
- how can those rights be protected outside the domain of America?
What is the process for review of status at the time of apprehension?
- who is conducting the process?
- Evidence of citizens getting tossed.

With my recent experience passing through customs & immigration in / out of America and Japan, I have been think about this more. And thinking a bout it a little differently.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
The original statement was that "undocumented" workers are useful.

The response was that "undocumented" workers may be useful, but we can't guarantee they are safe.

Swampy seems to want to either infer that some of the undocumented workers are likely safe (which misses the point spectacularly), or that some of the "undocumented" workers were documented at some point, which both misses the point and expands the conversation beyond the "undocumented" workers that were in discussion.
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"Swampy "thinks along with deportation, somehow the" overstay your welcome " issue has to be solved
 
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hog88 said:
I'm still wondering what they are going to classify as OT. Some companies pay OT after 8 hrs in a day, is double time included for those that have that in their employment deal?

Can I set my normal work hours at 30 hrs a week then pay myself quadruple time tax free for the next 10-20?
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Not to worry, project 2025 seeks to end overtime pay. Trump personally hates paying overtime and has said he wishes it could be done away with.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Every park has an operating budget, funds are allocated for the year, that's all the park gets. Funds collected by the park from entrance fees to campground fees are sent to the treasury department,those funds are not allowed to be used by the park.

I don't think everyone knows that.
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I wasn't aware, seems like a horrible systems...wonder why they have never tried to change it?
 
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swampfoxfan said:
"Swampy "thinks along with deportation, somehow the" overstay your welcome " issue has to be solved
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You should apply some of that brain power to the actual conversations you reply to, as opposed to what appears to be spasmodic outbursts of your keyboard.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
The local community does pay, thru taxes. Millions visit national parks annually. When visitor centers are open fewer hours, on fewer days, toilets are locked trails are closed the experience is expectedly unpleasant. A million or 3 pissed off voters works in favor of democrats.
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The local community can pay directly if it benefits them the way you claim it does. I really care about absolutely none of that.

The last part, you’re 100% right about. That’s the reason the welfare state is failing. Because people will always vote for more and more and will always be upset with anyone who offers less.

This is so insanely meaningless in the grand scheme of things, especially given our overall debt. Yet you’d think people voted to put down your dog.
 
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This article cites a WaPo poll that indicates Trump's favorability on immigration had declined from 50% to 46% from February to April. Imagine where it is now after he's militarized our streets, and social media's showing people what this actually looks like in practice.

This is a pretty interesting high-level view of the chaotic process these immigrants are trying to navigate, while we make them out to be the bad guys:

The public’s perception of chaos stems from the fact that Trump’s policies appear arbitrary. Under President Biden, no one knew why people were getting into the country. Now no one knows why people are getting thrown out. Under Biden, people came illegally or chaotically. Now people are being deported illegally or chaotically. The public cares about order in both directions.

America shouldn’t be doomed to oscillate between two types of chaos. Instead, we need to reembrace the antidote for chaos: the rule of law.

During Biden’s term, much of the border chaos traces to the fact that immigrants never really knew what the rule was. On paper, it was illegal to cross between ports and legal to cross at them. In reality, at least from 2021 to 2023, ports were mostly closed, and about half of the illegal crossers were allowed to stay.

Moreover, the actual determination of who got in and who got tossed was made by agents at the border, not based on asylum statutes passed by Congress or any other known rule. This was the rule of man, not the rule of law, and the chaotic results were readily apparent.

Unfortunately, the chaos has not dissipated — it’s only moved locations: from the border to the interior. The basic framework of Trump’s interior enforcement is that it is whimsical and arbitrary. It is not about “merit,” not about public safety threats, not even about people here illegally or about “noncitizens,” as Trump is seeking to strip U.S. citizenship from people and remove U.S. citizenship for many U.S.-born children.

There’s no articulable rule. Consider that Trump is arresting highly educated, lawful immigrant students for op-eds written long ago. Setting aside the 1st Amendment, the founders would be — or actually were — equally aghast at the “subjecting of men to punishment for things which, when they were done, were breaches of no law, and the practice of arbitrary imprisonments.”

The rule of man is back, and it’s as chaotic as ever.

Trump has empowered agents to strip immigrants of lawful status and immediately deport them. They are even arresting lawful immigrants based on secret criteria (like forbidden tattoos) and sending them without due process to a foreign prison. Judge. Jury. Executioner. R.I.P. Madison’s definition of tyranny.

All this is unnecessary. Restoring the rule of law can end the chaos. That starts with clear, consistent and predictable rules. The immigration rules were, before Trump, notoriously known as “second only to the Internal Revenue Code in complexity.” The policies rapidly change from administration to administration and even from month to month.

 
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n_huffhines said:
Depends on the case. Every circumstance is different. Trump created half a million illegal immigrants with the stroke of a pen earlier this year. I think those people should get a pass.

But the point has more to do with the use of resources and how they are prioritized. Imagine if they put this much $ into finding the bad ones? That's the world I want to live in. Nobody in America is better off when we deport some working Mom of 5 American citizens. This is not smart government and it leaves our communities in a lurch.
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The majority of people you’ve posted about, have been the bad ones. You still get upset when MS-13 members are deported and call them “Maryland fathers”
 
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Vol8188 said:
The majority of people you’ve posted about, have been the bad ones. You still get upset when MS-13 members are deported and call them “Maryland fathers”
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For the billionth time, its not deporting illegals that's the problem. Its deporting them in a secret process with no judicial oversight thats the problem.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Depends on the case. Every circumstance is different. Trump created half a million illegal immigrants with the stroke of a pen earlier this year. I think those people should get a pass.

But the point has more to do with the use of resources and how they are prioritized. Imagine if they put this much $ into finding the bad ones? That's the world I want to live in. Nobody in America is better off when we deport some working Mom of 5 American citizens. This is not smart government and it leaves our communities in a lurch.
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He didn’t create illegal immigrants with the stroke of a pen. The immigrants did that. They came here illegally and filed bogus asylum claims
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the billionth time, its not deporting illegals that's the problem. Its deporting them in a secret process with no judicial oversight thats the problem.
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Show your work. To my knowledge these people are appearing in front of immigration judges. I don’t see the issue
 
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utvolpj said:
You misunderstood, I said it was hypocritical given the screeching about Mexican flags
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I didn’t misunderstand at all. You’re letting your distain of Israel cloud your judgement.

No one flying an Israeli nor a Ukrainian flag are doing so in active opposition of the US government. These are not the same.

If my church has a Christian flag and an American flag, and your mosque burns American flags while protesting and waving Mohammed’s Black Banner, to pretend those actions are the same would be 100% retarded.
 
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