President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

Read what you just posted. It is impossible to be “law-abiding, undocumented” (illoegal / law-breaking).

If owners/CEO have a problem finding workers, they will increase their wages to attract workers. “Building it, they will come”.
I will give you some credit, and think you are capable of figuring out on your own, that with the term "law-abiding," I was talking about undocumented workers with clean criminal records.

.... and you are over-simplifying the issue by only making it about money. Americans do not want to work manual labor jobs anymore. Even unskilled workers will accept less money to perform other duties.
 
I will give you some credit, and think you are capable of figuring out on your own, that with the term "law-abiding," I was talking about undocumented workers with clean criminal records.

.... and you are over-simplifying the issue by only making it about money. Americans do not want to work manual labor jobs anymore. Even unskilled workers will accept less money to perform other duties.
You are ignoring his point about flooding a market with cheap, illegal labor. You are the one over-simplifying, ignoring his deeper point, and then projecting.
 
You are ignoring his point about flooding a market with cheap, illegal labor. You are the one over-simplifying, ignoring his deeper point, and then projecting.
The market is not currently flooded with cheap labor. We are at near full-employment. If the United States was "flooded" with cheap labor, the unemployment rate would not be at 4.2%.
 
The market is not currently flooded with cheap labor. We are at near full-employment. If the United States was "flooded" with cheap labor, the unemployment rate would not be at 4.2%.
It's a contradiction to try to hold the two facts that you are attempting to hold simultaneously--i.e. that we need all of the undocumented, cheap laborers that are here working those jobs, and also that the market for those jobs is unaffected.

Also, even if you were to successfully argue the need for those workers in our market beyond lazy hand-waving and projection, there is still the point from my post that you conveniently ignored--that documented workers would be the proper way to fill those needs as opposed to undocumented workers.
 
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Billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon musk, and Warren Buffett paid little to no federal income taxes in certain years. If the tax system was really harder on the wealthy, they wouldn’t spend millions lobbying to keep it exactly as it currently is.
So you agree with Trump when he told Hillary she wouldn’t change it.
 
It's a contradiction to try to hold the two facts that you are attempting to hold simultaneously--i.e. that we need all of the undocumented, cheap laborers that are here working those jobs, and also that the market for those jobs is unaffected.

Also, even if you were to successfully argue the need for those workers in our market beyond lazy hand-waving and projection, there is still the point from my post that you conveniently ignored--that documented workers would be the proper way to fill those needs as opposed to undocumented workers.
It is not a contradiction at all. Some unskilled labor positions (especially ones that are seasonal in nature), will go unfilled, without those immigrant workers.
 
I'm saying that jobs (especially some seasonal work) will go unfilled, because not enough Americans need to work low-paying, manual labor positions anymore for this country to be near full-employment. That is what the stats say.

They will always be needed and they’re not all low paying. The problem is the average moron, usually someone with a degree in gender studies, xxxxx arts, folklore dancing, etc somehow feel they’re above that. Usually they’re the ones on TikTok or other social media platforms claiming they’ll never pay back the $300k in student loans they took out. There’s probably some in LA right now working minimum wage to throw rocks at cop cars.
 
It is not a contradiction at all. Some unskilled labor positions (especially ones that are seasonal in nature), will go unfilled, without those immigrant workers.
That's easy to say, and impossible to prove without a deeper analysis, which would be incredibly hard for you since the workers you are defending are *undocumented*. And since your point hinges on unemployment numbers, you'll need to present a detailed analysis on how many illegal/undocumented workers are in the workforce, as well as a detailed breakdown of the unemployment numbers--which do not include those who have been unable to find employment and have given up looking for work.

IOW, there are an unknown number of illegal workers, and an unknown number of people who are unemployed and not accounted in the stats you present, yet you claim that OTHER people are oversimplifying the issue.

But at the same time, the model of employment markets works on the principle of supply/demand, so it's by definition that adding workers to the market will almost certainly lower wages.


So, you can either bring us details to support your argument, or you can just walk away at an impasse. And even if you support your "they wouldn't want to work those jobs anyway" argument, you'll still need to explain why undocumented foreign workers is the answer, as opposed to documented, legally imported workers.


Edited to add: It'll also be hard for you to simultaneously refer to them as "undocumented", as well as their lacking a criminal record. The concept of "undocumented" means that we don't know their background. IOW, we don't know who we've let in, thus which of them have histories of violence, etc... thus which of them are not the ones we want here filling these jobs. This plays into the point you're yet to respond to--even if we need imported workers, why are unlimited, undocumented workers the answer as opposed to limited, vetted, and documented workers?
 
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And I'm sure you will express some more selective outrage when those individuals are pardoned.

This is pointless banter.
Go find the posts from me going on about the 1/6 pardons. If/When these rioters get pardoned, I won’t have anything to say about them either - so I’ll be consistent there.

You on the other hand have droned on endlessly about the 1/6 pardons, but we all know you won’t be consistent there.

Especially given your recent flip flop on making assumptions and getting in the minds of others with regards to ICE agents and their individual mindsets on why they are choosing to mask.
 
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Go find the posts from me going on about the 1/6 pardons. If/When these rioters get pardoned, I won’t have anything to say about them either - so I’ll be consistent there.

You on the other hand have droned on endlessly about the 1/6 pardons, but we all know you won’t be consistent there.

Especially given your recent flip flop on making assumptions and getting in the minds of others with regards to ICE agents and their individual mindsets on why they are choosing to mask.
The events of 1/6 and the subsequent pardons of those involved are a very clear indicator of a double standard for Republicans when it comes to protesting.

Republicans don't mind a riot, as long as it serves a purpose that they support.
 
The events of 1/6 and the subsequent pardons of those involved are a very clear indicator of a double standard for Republicans when it comes to protesting.

Republicans don't mind a riot, as long as it serves a purpose that they support.
Lol are you calling 1/6 a protest?

But way to evade. That’s twice now. Don’t be such a blatant partisan hack - it’s unbecoming.
 
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