Pizza time?

SDNY says the 2nd Circuit has approved this practice in the past. If that’s totally true, then only the Supreme Court can overturn that.

Either way, it likely doesn’t excuse what they found there.
I think this gets to heart of the Trump-Bad-Acosta-Evil arguments in here. From the link:

Central to the legal disputes will be the nonprosecution agreement that Epstein struck in 2007 with federal prosecutors in Florida, which said they would not prosecute him for federal sex-trafficking charges and instead allow him to plead guilty to lesser state crimes.

Did Acosta break the law? That reads as though he wasn't the prosecutor. He did not sign a plea agreement with Acosta, as he was agreeing not to prosecute at the federal level. Was he legally responsible to inform victims about a plea agreement that he wasn't making?

Reading between the lines, it seems Acosta has indicated that he got the command from the DoJ and 3-letter-agencies to lay off of Epstein, as he was an informant. Acosta agreed to let Florida keep jurisdiction, and Florida ran the prosecution/plea bargain.

That's a different look than, "Acosta broke the law and wanted to be soft on pedos". So, if Acosta chose to let state charges continue and not bring federal charges, was he breaking the law?
 
Did Acosta break the law? That reads as though he wasn't the prosecutor. He did not sign a plea agreement with Acosta, as he was agreeing not to prosecute at the federal level. Was he legally responsible to inform victims about a plea agreement that he wasn't making?

It was a non-prosecution agreement, contingent on Epstein pleading guilty to lesser crimes in state court. Are you asking if Acosta not prosecuting broke a law?
 
It was a non-prosecution agreement, contingent on Epstein pleading guilty to lesser crimes in state court. Are you asking if Acosta not prosecuting broke a law?
Partially. I'm asking if he broke the law through the process. BowlBrother has passionately argued that he's a criminal for not informing the victims of the plea agreement before the plea agreement was made. Was he driving the plea agreement? That read as though he had abdicated jurisdiction to allow the state to prosecute, and as part of the state's plea agreement, he agreed that he wouldn't prosecute at the federal level in that jurisdiction?

So, it sounds like he was a party IN the plea agreement, but not the prosecutor in the plea agreement. I'm asking RT85 if it was his job to inform the victims, not being the prosecutor and all.
 
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Partially. I'm asking if he broke the law through the process. BowlBrother has passionately argued that he's a criminal for not informing the victims of the plea agreement before the plea agreement was made. Was he driving the plea agreement? That read as though he had abdicated jurisdiction to allow the state to prosecute, and as part of the state's plea agreement, he agreed that he wouldn't prosecute at the federal level in that jurisdiction?

So, it sounds like he was a party IN the plea agreement, but not the prosecutor in the plea agreement. I'm asking RT85 if it was his job to inform the victims, not being the prosecutor and all.

The state had declined to press the most serious charges. Then the feds looked at it. It ended up with Epstein agreeing to the less serious state charges.

I doubt any law was broken, but it looks bad and Acosta is an easy scapegoat. To be fair to him you'd have to look at the evidence he had at the time and whether or not it made for a good case in federal court.

Alexander Acosta Prosecution_of_Jeffrey_Epstein
 
It was a non-prosecution agreement, contingent on Epstein pleading guilty to lesser crimes in state court. Are you asking if Acosta not prosecuting broke a law?



Opinion | Trump and the Sex Offender


Anybody who has read about Jeffrey Epstein in the past dozen years would come away with the same impression Mr. Epstein apparently had about himself. The guy will soon be back in jail.

In his luxurious Manhattan townhouse, he reportedly commissioned a mural of himself at the center of a prison yard. According to the New York Times, he told a recent visitor, “That’s me, and I had this painted because there is always the possibility that could be me again.’’

Mr. Epstein is back in a holding cell, under indictment by a U.S. attorney in New York. He will have his day in court. Presumably we will find out whether the evidence against the hedge-fund impresario for sexually abusing numerous underage girls in the early 2000s is as strong as it seems.

But one element of the story should give us pause, and that’s the seemingly concerted effort by the press to make a secondary villain out of the only prosecutor who succeeded in holding Mr. Epstein accountable till now because, 12 years later, that prosecutor is Donald Trump’s labor secretary.

A much-cited story in the Miami Herald last November is headlined “How a future Trump Cabinet member gave a serial sex abuser the deal of a lifetime.” The paper thereby invokes a previously unknown form of retroactive quantum action at a distance, since Alexander Acosta’s actions as a U.S. attorney in Florida in 2007 could not have been premised on Mr. Trump being president a decade later.

The headline is also misleading. In fact, the Herald’s 5,000-word exposé tells us very little about the reasons and circumstances behind the 2008 plea deal in which Mr. Epstein agreed to plead guilty to two felonies, serve an 18-month jail sentence, pay restitution to certain victims, and accept designation for life as a registered sex offender.

Instead, the paper tells us what its own sources are willing to say now about Mr. Epstein more than a decade after the prosecution. What a newspaper can report in 2018 and what a prosecutor can prove in 2007 are two very different things. A fact the Herald also should have made plain: It was precisely Mr. Epstein’s conviction at the hands of Mr. Acosta that helped fuel the filing of civil lawsuits and emergence of newly declared victims that became the basis for the Herald’s own reporting.

Making an even bigger joke of the paper’s positioning of Mr. Acosta as Mr. Epstein’s protector is this glaring fact: It wasn’t Mr. Acosta but New York County’s district attorney—a member of the city’s ruling Democratic elite, with the illustrious name of Cyrus Vance Jr.—who in 2011 sought to undo Mr. Acosta’s work by relieving Mr. Epstein of his Level 3 sex offender status in New York state.

But then Mr. Vance is not a member of the Trump administration.

Maybe none of the prosecutors involved in this matter belong in the pantheon, but Mr. Acosta convicted Mr. Epstein and ended his depredations. Ninety-seven percent of federal prosecutions end in plea deals. The Herald tells us almost nothing about why this one did as well, except to note in passing that Mr. Vance later argued before a New York judge that Mr. Epstein’s “underage victims failed to cooperate in the [Florida] case.”

In fact, our best information right now comes from a three-page letter Mr. Acosta himself wrote to the Daily Beast in 2011. He described how his office was recruited into an already-existing prosecution by Palm Beach police who feared their state prosecutor intended to let Mr. Epstein off with probation. Mr. Acosta’s role was hindered by the need to find a federal crime to charge.

He also had to show deference to Florida. Mr. Epstein’s well-connected legal team—including Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr—kept appealing over his head to Washington. It sought dirt on Mr. Acosta’s staff in hopes of disqualifying key underlings from the case. He fretted about a drawn-out prosecution in which Mr. Epstein would walk free. He had no role in Florida’s subsequent decision to let Mr. Epstein out of jail six days a week to continue his business. Mr. Acosta also says that with the witnesses who subsequently have come forward, he could have made a stronger case.



The outcome may not have been deeply satisfying, but Mr. Acosta persevered to a conviction despite Mr. Epstein’s deep pockets and his constantly invoked list of powerful “friends,” including Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Donald Trump (though it was Mr. Trump who, in typically Trumpian fashion, raised an eyebrow as early as 2002 with a comment to New York magazine about the apparent youth of Mr. Epstein’s girlfriends).

It also bears asking: Would the Herald even have invested in reporting the Epstein story if it couldn’t also have flounced up an anti-Trump angle?

Yes, it’s been rough couple of decades for the newspaper business. At the kindest, the Herald should have had the confidence to rest its claim to public attention on what it had to reveal about Mr. Epstein’s behavior rather than trying so pathetically to annex its reporting to an au courant anti-Trump narrative.
 
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Partially. I'm asking if he broke the law through the process. BowlBrother has passionately argued that he's a criminal for not informing the victims of the plea agreement before the plea agreement was made. Was he driving the plea agreement? That read as though he had abdicated jurisdiction to allow the state to prosecute, and as part of the state's plea agreement, he agreed that he wouldn't prosecute at the federal level in that jurisdiction?

So, it sounds like he was a party IN the plea agreement, but not the prosecutor in the plea agreement. I'm asking RT85 if it was his job to inform the victims, not being the prosecutor and all.
All this is completely irrelevant to Bowel Breath. Acosta works in Trump's cabinet, so he is a bad man. BB has Stage 4 TDS.
 
The state had declined to press the most serious charges. Then the feds looked at it. It ended up with Epstein agreeing to the less serious state charges.

I doubt any law was broken, but it looks bad and Acosta is an easy scapegoat. To be fair to him you'd have to look at the evidence he had at the time and whether or not it made for a good case in federal court.

Alexander Acosta Prosecution_of_Jeffrey_Epstein

@BowlBrother85 has been screaming about Acosta being a criminal for pages now. It was pointed out days (?) ago that Acosta wasn't the prosecutor, which he's refused to really talk about. I was curious on the details and it looks like CNN provided them.
 
@BowlBrother85 has been screaming about Acosta being a criminal for pages now. It was pointed out days (?) ago that Acosta wasn't the prosecutor, which he's refused to really talk about. I was curious on the details and it looks like CNN provided them.

I didn't bother to go back and read everything but a quick search of @BowlBrother85 and "criminal" reveals no such posts.

Search results for query: criminal

Feel free to blockquote his argument.
 
Are you going to play "what-about-ism" or will you ever acknowledge that Acosta should have followed the law and informed Epstein's victims that a plea deal had been reached with Epstein's legal defense team before it was entered into and accepted by the judge? They had to see it on the news, instead. That is outrageous.
Whether that is true or not, Acosta was still a party to it. He does not deserve a public expression of sympathy from the President. What a warped perspective Trump has.
Did he break the law or did the FL Attorney General break the law. Remember he wasn't prosecuted by the Feds. Maybe Mukasey and McCollum should answer a few questions.

There is no excuse for not informing the victims about the plea. That is completely on Acosta. He was the lead prosecutor.
No, it isn't. He broke the law.

Someone was so eager to tar and feather Trump, they've aged like the crypt keeper over just a couple of days. lol

(Just a tiny little portion because I'm too lazy. He took to his soapbox. He was corrected. Even after the correction, he took out permits and a building project to increase the size of his soap box.)
 
Someone was so eager to tar and feather Trump, they've aged like the crypt keeper over just a couple of days. lol

(Just a tiny little portion because I'm too lazy. He took to his soapbox. He was corrected. Even after the correction, he took out permits and a building project to increase the size of his soap box.)

As far as I know there's no credible claims that Acosta broke a law. The issue is if he used bad prosecutorial judgment.
 
Edit: 👆I’ll defer to the judge on the existence of the law.

I think this gets to heart of the Trump-Bad-Acosta-Evil arguments in here. From the link:



Did Acosta break the law? That reads as though he wasn't the prosecutor. He did not sign a plea agreement with Acosta, as he was agreeing not to prosecute at the federal level. Was he legally responsible to inform victims about a plea agreement that he wasn't making?

Reading between the lines, it seems Acosta has indicated that he got the command from the DoJ and 3-letter-agencies to lay off of Epstein, as he was an informant. Acosta agreed to let Florida keep jurisdiction, and Florida ran the prosecution/plea bargain.

That's a different look than, "Acosta broke the law and wanted to be soft on pedos". So, if Acosta chose to let state charges continue and not bring federal charges, was he breaking the law?

From my understanding, you’re correct. He did not prosecute. He didn’t enter into the lenient plea agreement. He signed off on a letter declining concurrent prosecution under the dual sovereignty doctrine. How much knowledge did he have of the specifics of the state deal?

I don’t know whether the feds have to inform victims before declining no prosecution or not, that seems unlikely, but I know there has been some litigation over that, I’m not familiar enough with that case, those facts, or the law involved to say for sure but the narrative seems garbled, to me. I’m skeptical such a requirement exists as to Acosta.

Acosta’s statements are plausible, based on other things I’ve been told. It’s also plausible that it’s a self-serving statement to cover up for the fact that it looked like a tough case and the culture in his office was to pursue easily proven cases against bad people to keep conviction rates up and make themselves look good. To me, that seems most likely.

I’m not inclined to jump on the posse to lynch Acosta, at this point. I’m not even totally sold on an alternative corrupt Florida prosecutor narrative. Until somebody pushing either narrative shows they’ve given due consideration to the prosecutors’ calculus, I’m staying on the fence.

Hang Epstein, if you can prove he deserves it. And if they can prove he deserved it, maybe there’s some blame to go around.
 
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From my understanding, you’re correct. He did not prosecute. He didn’t enter into the lenient plea agreement. He signed off on a letter declining concurrent prosecution under the dual sovereignty doctrine. How much knowledge did he have of the specifics of the state deal?

I don’t know whether the feds have to inform victims before declining no prosecution or not, that seems unlikely, but I know there has been some litigation over that, I’m not familiar enough with that case, those facts, or the law involved to say for sure but the narrative seems garbled, to me. I’m skeptical such a requirement exists as to Acosta.

Acosta’s statements are plausible, based on other things I’ve been told. It’s also plausible that it’s a self-serving statement to cover up for the fact that it looked like a tough case and the culture in his office was to pursue easily proven cases against bad people to keep conviction rates up and make themselves look good. To me, that seems most likely.

I’m not inclined to jump on the posse to lynch Acosta, at this point. I’m not even totally sold on an alternative corrupt Florida prosecutor narrative. Until somebody pushing either narrative shows they’ve given due consideration to the prosecutors’ calculus, I’m staying on the fence.

Hang Epstein, if you can prove he deserves it. And if they can prove he deserved it, maybe there’s some blame to go around.
That was my thought as well. But again, like you, I don't know enough about the case.
 
It’s also plausible that it’s a self-serving statement to cover up for the fact that it looked like a tough case and the culture in his office was to pursue easily proven cases against bad people to keep conviction rates up and make themselves look good. To me, that seems most likely.

I’m not inclined to jump on the posse to lynch Acosta, at this point. I’m not even totally sold on an alternative corrupt Florida prosecutor narrative. Until somebody pushing either narrative shows they’ve given due consideration to the prosecutors’ calculus, I’m staying on the fence.

Do you think it likely the investigation got curtailed due to Epstein's money/influence?
 
Do you think it likely the investigation got curtailed due to Epstein's money/influence?
If only by the fact that he could afford Dershowitz and Ken Starr,. I suppose his money was able to buy their influence. Apparently Acosta, or representatives for the prosecution, were meeting directly with Epstein's lawyers, hammering out the plea deal.
 
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