Paul Finebaum

#76
#76
CountVolcula said:
2016 to Saban was failure

2016 for Butch is competing
Click to expand...

I think the difference between the two is public statement vs private thought.

I bet privately Nick Sabah would tell you that it was a really, really good year last year and they may have overachieved. He would never say that publicly.

I bet privately Butch would tell you he was disappointed with last season. But, he would never say that publicly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 6 people
#77
#77
99gator said:
I think the difference between the two is public statement vs private thought.

I bet privately Nick Sabah would tell you that it was a really, really good year last year and they may have overachieved. He would never say that publicly.

I bet privately Butch would tell you he was disappointed with last season. But, he would never say that publicly.
Click to expand...

After the first playoff game, what transpired with CLK, I beg to differ.

Hats off to Clemson because I thought that was the best, most dominant Bama team of all!
 
#79
#79
UTVOLS1614 said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/paul-finebaum-explains-frustrated-butch-jones-sec-media-days/

Idk if u guys read this article but recently have been getting annoyed by finebaum. first of all he states tennessee should be competing for the east every year. correct me if im wrong we obviously didnt win it but certainly competed for the east last year. and look in good shape to compete again. Also him comparing sabans 5th year to butchs 5th year is rediculous. Saban didnt take over nearly as much of a mess as butch had to
Click to expand...

Saban took over a Bama program about to be hit with NCAA sanctions iirc. Bama was in poor shape....not saying it was quite as bad as what Butch took over, but Saban took over a Bama program in disrepair and won a freaking national title in year 3.....while Jones is still struggling to win a bad/down SEC East in year 5.

And Finebaum is 100% right, Tennessee should absolutely be strongly competing for the SEC East every year. Unfortunately, we were effectively out of it last year after game 8 vs SCar.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#80
#80
1chattyvols1 said:
After the first playoff game, what transpired with CLK, I beg to differ.

Hats off to Clemson because I thought that was the best, most dominant Bama team of all!
Click to expand...

Bama's defensive stats were inflated because the offenses they faced were terrible. USC probably had the best offense they saw, but saw them at the wrong time. Don't misunderstand, it was clearly a damn good defense.

You go 14-0 and are a heart beat from 15-0 with a true freshman QB and it was really a great year. In addition, they were without that Julio Jones, Amari Cooper, Derrick Henry caliber playmaker that they are used to having.

I think several previous Bama teams were better.
 
#81
#81
99gator said:
fans of the teams in the SEC East are all frustrated. Even of the bad teams. Missouri and Vandy fans might be the only ones not frustrated.

Georgia fans are frustrated by the fact that Florida and Tennessee have been as bad as they are going to be and the best Georgia has been able to do is make 2 SEC title games since 2010. They don't have squat to show for any of it. Not even a BCS bowl appearance.

Florida fans have been frustrated by the fact that if they had a QB as good as Uncle Rico since Tim Tebow left campus, who knows how many more games they could have won or how big the gap would be today between them and the rest of the division.

Tennessee fans are frustrated because while other schools in the division have been bad, they've been worse. No division titles. One win against a Florida team that struggles to cross midfield since 2009. Multiple losses to Vandy. etc.

Kentucky and South Carolina fans are frustrated because they know this is the best it's ever going to look and they still aren't worth a damn. Kentucky has one win total against Florida and Tennessee in the last several years and they are fortunate to have that one. South Carolina, for all its improvement under Steve Spurrier, won the division once and lost to Auburn by a score that made Florida's last couple of SEC title apprearances look respectable.

We are all dying to be the first to break through. We all believe that if we are, we will have a stranglehold on the division for a while. I know as a Gator fan I feel that if we can win the division with the squads we've put on the field the last two years, imagine if we were worth a crud.

JMO.
Click to expand...

Excellent summary
 
#82
#82
05_never_again said:
Finebaum is exactly right. Saban's mess was closer to Butch's than you think. It is easy to forget now but Alabama was one of the great laughingstocks of college football from the mid 90s up until the mid 2000s. He took over a program that was coming off probation, still had scars to its image from the Mike Price debacle, etc. Alabama was not a supremely talented squad when Saban took over. Butch is just about one-tenth the coach Saban is, that's the biggest difference.

As far as "contending for the East" I suppose it depends on your definition of "contending." We failed to control our own destiny for the East crown after October 29 last year with 4 games left in the regular season. We will could have still gotten in after that but needed help. Is that "contending?" I can see it being argued both ways.
Click to expand...

Lol. You no idea WTF you're talking about. Saban is the gold standard of college coaches but if you look at the talent on the field that Bama had when he took over versus the talent passed on to Butch by Dooley, well we had speed on par with UK and Vandy instead of Florida/Georgia SEC teams. Not to mention Dooley managed to alienate most boosters, alumni, high school coaches, etc associated with the program. Also throw in the financial turmoil our AD was facing after Hamilton finally got jettisoned out of the damn picture. But yeah absolutely Bama was in exactly the same place if that makes you feel better about your argument. Saban is a great coach possibly the best ever but he had a better situation and more unified administration supporting him. He recruits on a level above most if not all college coaches, surrounds himself with great assistants, and guess what he still loses occasionally to lesser talented teams like UAB.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#84
#84
UTVOLS1614 said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/paul-finebaum-explains-frustrated-butch-jones-sec-media-days/

Idk if u guys read this article but recently have been getting annoyed by finebaum. first of all he states tennessee should be competing for the east every year. correct me if im wrong we obviously didnt win it but certainly competed for the east last year. and look in good shape to compete again. Also him comparing sabans 5th year to butchs 5th year is rediculous. Saban didnt take over nearly as much of a mess as butch had to
Click to expand...

bammer whent through 4 coaches prior to the lord saban hire. Pf was saying keep your expectations high . agree.
 
#85
#85
05_never_again said:
It doesn't. The poster made a mention of Alabama's 1999 SEC title and its unbelievable nature considering it was during a down period. I agree that it is unbelievable, but my point is that Alabama is able to do stuff like that because of some inherent advantages they have as a program.
Click to expand...

For the record--Alabama was in the SEC championship 5 times in the 90s...92-94, '96, and '99.

Which means that they basically dominated the SEC WEST in the 90s....their decline as a program didn't really happen until the turn of the century.

And the only inherent advantage they have as a program is that they REFUSE to settle for mediocrity in their football program. They simply demand a team with the ability to compete every year for championships...

And remember, they fired a coach after a 10 win season in which he won the SEC championship and made it to the sugar bowl (Curry).

However, UT's administration--and now it seems that most of our fanbase--choose to settle for a coach who has more in common with Jim Donnan that he does with Nick Saban....who has lost 2 times in the last 5 years to Vanderbilt...and who cannot beat Muschamp even with superior teams.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#86
#86
MikeVol44 said:
For the record--Alabama was in the SEC championship 5 times in the 90s...92-94, '96, and '99.

Which means that they basically dominated the SEC WEST in the 90s....their decline as a program didn't really happen until the turn of the century.

And the only inherent advantage they have as a program is that they REFUSE to settle for mediocrity in their football program. They simply demand a team with the ability to compete every year for championships...

And remember, they fired a coach after a 10 win season in which he won the SEC championship and made it to the sugar bowl (Curry).

However, UT's administration--and now it seems that most of our fanbase--choose to settle for a coach who has more in common with Jim Donnan that he does with Nick Saban....who has lost 2 times in the last 5 years to Vanderbilt...and who cannot beat Muschamp even with superior teams.
Click to expand...
Sad but true.
 
#87
#87
MikeVol44 said:
For the record--Alabama was in the SEC championship 5 times in the 90s...92-94, '96, and '99.

Which means that they basically dominated the SEC WEST in the 90s....their decline as a program didn't really happen until the turn of the century.

And the only inherent advantage they have as a program is that they REFUSE to settle for mediocrity in their football program. They simply demand a team with the ability to compete every year for championships...

And remember, they fired a coach after a 10 win season in which he won the SEC championship and made it to the sugar bowl (Curry).

However, UT's administration--and now it seems that most of our fanbase--choose to settle for a coach who has more in common with Jim Donnan that he does with Nick Saban....who has lost 2 times in the last 5 years to Vanderbilt...and who cannot beat Muschamp even with superior teams.
Click to expand...

*2 times in the last 4 years to Vanderbilt
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#89
#89
Finebaum is a Saben sicophant. A Tennessee grad who revelled in our misery. He jumped on a bandwagon with a broken wheel and is back to his old self taking shots at us.
 
#91
#91
UTVOLS1614 said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/paul-finebaum-explains-frustrated-butch-jones-sec-media-days/

Idk if u guys read this article but recently have been getting annoyed by finebaum. first of all he states tennessee should be competing for the east every year. correct me if im wrong we obviously didnt win it but certainly competed for the east last year. and look in good shape to compete again. Also him comparing sabans 5th year to butchs 5th year is rediculous. Saban didnt take over nearly as much of a mess as butch had to
Click to expand...

In case you haven't realized yet. There are a lot of salami wanna be's around. Don't take it personal. There is also a very strong core of UT guys that want to do it the UT way and we agree with you.
 
#92
#92
jakez4ut said:
Nope it really doesn't.

All of this off season criticism will either be validated, or butch will vindicate himself.

We'll see.
Click to expand...

Well, that too. Haha.

I was actually responding to KB's response to Mike's post.
 
#93
#93
05_never_again said:
Finebaum is exactly right. Saban's mess was closer to Butch's than you think. It is easy to forget now but Alabama was one of the great laughingstocks of college football from the mid 90s up until the mid 2000s. He took over a program that was coming off probation, still had scars to its image from the Mike Price debacle, etc. Alabama was not a supremely talented squad when Saban took over. Butch is just about one-tenth the coach Saban is, that's the biggest difference.

As far as "contending for the East" I suppose it depends on your definition of "contending." We failed to control our own destiny for the East crown after October 29 last year with 4 games left in the regular season. We will could have still gotten in after that but needed help. Is that "contending?" I can see it being argued both ways.
Click to expand...
That's a...
BURN.gif

NeverWe'llSever said:
Not supremely talented maybe, but they went 10-2 just two years prior to his hiring with Shula. The teams before Butch went 5-7, 5-7, 6-7, 7-6, 5-7. And as much of a laughingstock that Alabama was in that time, they still won an SEC title in 1999. Unbelievable.
Click to expand...
with another...
BURN.gif

utvols83 said:
Didn't Shula lead them to a 10 win season? They were 22-14 in the previous 3 seasons before Saban. Compare that to our 15-21 record for the three years under Dooley. They weren't great, but an argument could be made that Saban took over a more talented and likely better coached team than Butch. That's not to say that Butch is anywhere near the coach Saban is, but you have to look at the facts if you want to compare them.
Click to expand...
followed up with a final...
BURN.gif


If my calculations are correct...that makes it a 3RD Degree...
BURN.gif
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#98
#98
edyeary said:
Finebaum is the John Adams of TV. States the obvious and constantly pizzes people off intentionally.
Click to expand...

It's simply amazing that anyone pays attention to either - probably something like poking a wound to see if it still hurts. You have to be in the bottom of the barrel if you look to either for anything of substance - so low that everything looks like up kind of territory.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top