Ole Miss To Replace Rebels

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chrismc1000 said:
I've been a vols fan for over 20 years, I just don't like hypocrisy. This forum is filled with it. The "WE" is our vols players doing it too as in having fake injuries like ole piss did. I really didn't think that conversation was that hard to follow
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I was just wondering since you seem to have a problem with most everyone, team and fans. And I will tell you what is not hard to follow,that you are a jerk …
 
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chrismc1000 said:
But we did it to them too so stop the hypocrisy is all I'm saying. Good lord why is that so hard for certain people to grasp? Does this fan base need hook on phonics? I'm starting to think so. We didn't do it to them as much as they did us. I've never disagreed with that however if both sides were doing it then when you cry like a baby it makes you look like a hypocrite. Idk about you but I don't like being a hypocrite.
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Hypocrite? I'm fine with it. Most people are Oblivious anyway.
 
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Nick Saban complained about tempo and suggested the league should do something about it at one time and Lane Kiffin has figured out how to slow it down without getting penalized.

Saying "there should be a rule....." is admitting there isn't a rule and Kiffin used a strategy that worked to slow our tempo.

Do I like it? I don't.
Was it smart? It was.
Do I think Heupel would do it if he thought he needed to slow a team's tempo? I do.

Kiffin did it because it worked and it's legal. It helped his team win, just the same way calling Corral's number to run a lot helped his team win.

A coach's job is to win games by every legal means possible. Hate the game, don't hate the player.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
Does this fan base need hook on phonics?
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Hooked On Phonics has been pretty much proven to only help beginners in English when they start learning how to enunciate and pronounce words. Our language and alphabet just simply aren't phonetic. If we had a truley phonetic language like Russian and the Cyrillic alphabet, Phonics would be allot more helpful. We actually have to unlearn allot of phonics as we pick up grammer and increase our reading comprehension.

By the time we become pedantic hypocrites arguing on message boards, understanding simple English is a given. Dismissing someone's argument over grammar or implying they can't understand simple English, is a sanctimonious bad faith argument.

This isn't about phonics, grammar, or simple English. We're attempting to to convey our thoughts and abstract understanding of the strategies that were being employed by each respective team. That level of communication is difficult in any language.
chrismc1000 said:
I've been a vols fan for over 20 years, I just don't like hypocrisy. This forum is filled with it. The "WE" is our vols players doing it too as in having fake injuries like ole piss did. I really didn't think that conversation was that hard to follow
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Yes we did have fake injuries, just like every other team in college football.
chrismc1000 said:
Ole miss had fake injuries to slow our drives.
Vols had fake injuries to slow ole miss drives.
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Yes they did. No we didn't.

Which of our injuries do you think were premeditated as part of a stategized intent to slow their offense down? And why do you think so?
I'm sure you can point out a few where we inadvertently benefited from it but correlation does not equal causation. The players we're doing as they've been coached, to avoid the five yard penalty. Our intent was not to disrupt their offense. Nobody is accusing Ole Miss of faking injuries to get out of penalty yardage.

I think 19 or 20 of Ole Miss's 2nd half injuries were employed as a premeditated strategy to stall our offense. Pretty much all of theirs in the 2nd half except the one on their QB. About 99% of their injuries happened to their D, despite their O running 20 more plays than the D. The injuries never seemed to affect them for more than the 1 play minimum they were required to sit.
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heck they had over a hundred plays.
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Actually 99 plays (by the CBS box score).
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Hooked On Phonics has been pretty much proven to only help beginners in English when they start learning how to enunciate and pronounce words. Our language and alphabet just simply aren't phonetic. If we had a truley phonetic language like Russian and the Cyrillic alphabet, Phonics would be allot more helpful. We actually have to unlearn allot of phonics as we pick up grammer and increase our reading comprehension.

By the time we become pedantic hypocrites arguing on message boards, understanding simple English is a given. Dismissing someone's argument over grammar or implying they can't understand simple English, is a sanctimonious bad faith argument.

This isn't about phonics, grammar, or simple English. We're attempting to to convey our thoughts and abstract understanding of the strategies that were being employed by each respective team. That level of communication is difficult in any language.

Yes we did have fake injuries, just like every other team in college football.

Yes they did. No we didn't.

Which of our injuries do you think were premeditated as part of a stategized intent to slow their offense down? And why do you think so?
I'm sure you can point out a few where we inadvertently benefited from it but correlation does not equal causation. The players we're doing as they've been coached, to avoid the five yard penalty. Our intent was not to disrupt their offense. Nobody is accusing Ole Miss of faking injuries to get out of penalty yardage.

I think 19 or 20 of Ole Miss's 2nd half injuries were employed as a premeditated strategy to stall our offense. Pretty much all of theirs in the 2nd half except the one on their QB. About 99% of their injuries happened to their D, despite their O running 20 more plays than the D. The injuries never seemed to affect them for more than the 1 play minimum they were required to sit.
Actually 99 plays (by the CBS box score).
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I didn’t know what the CBS box score said when I made my post.

However the ESPN box score shows 62 Mississippi rushing attempts and 39 Mississippi passing attempts.

Which by my math is 101.

If you look at the CBS stats (not team stats) it shows 39 passing attempts and 63 rushing attempts (they count 1 from Plumlee that ESPN does not count)…….either way 39 + 62 or 63 is just over 100.

I can see the Team stats page shows 39 passing and 60 rushing……however which is correct?

Also Football database shows 39 passing attempts and 62 rushing attempts.

Again I don’t know……I simply used stats from a different site.



However you want to “try” and correct me from 99 vs 101…….lol…….but if you feel the need make sure your correct.
 
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JoAllan said:
However you want to “try” and correct me from 99 vs 101…….lol…….but if you feel the need make sure your correct.
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Chill dude. We're like 99.99% in agreeance with everything we've posted in this thread.

I was double checking the stat page for my replies to the other guy. I was expecting it to say over 100 because I'd just read your post so I made a note.

I don't know which is the official stat either. My intention was more for open discussion than to "try and correct you" so I put (by CBS sports box score) to let you know I'd only checked one spot.

So we're at like a 25-33% chance I'm correct and a 66%-75% chance you're correct. You're winning but the games rigged. You've got more numbers in it than I do.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Chill dude. We're like 99.99% in agreeance with everything we've posted in this thread.

I was double checking the stat page for my replies to the other guy. I was expecting it to say over 100 because I'd just read your post so I made a note.

I don't know which is the official stat either. My intention was more for open discussion than to "try and correct you" so I put (by CBS sports box score) to let you know I'd only checked one spot.

So we're at like a 25-33% chance I'm correct and a 66%-75% chance you're correct. You're winning but the games rigged. You've got more numbers in it than I do.
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I really don’t care which is really “correct.” Also again…..I’m not even certain I was. I simply used a different stat platform.

Doesn’t make any difference, really.

Either way Mississippi had a ton of plays……Tennessee “probably” couldn’t have been intentionally making them play slower via “fake” injuries.

I also wasn’t “trying” to be un-chill…..just trying to defend my previous post.

I’m wrong a lot, and when I am I don’t mind admitting it. However when I’m being serious I try to be correct…..as best I can.

I can certainly try to “tone it down” when defending myself.
 
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Word around the water cooler is that one of the Ole Miss GAs was giving sex in their tent to any defensive player that faked an injury, but only one at a time.
 
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Not sure where the "28" number came from in that tweet. I scanned the game and put together the below list of when a player when down. From my count, I have Ole Miss had 10 and Vols had 7. From watching it again, it did seem that most of these for the Vols were probably legitimate players hurt. I only saw a couple that seemed like they were just trying to get subbed (and one helmet issue). Very few of Ole Miss downed players seemed like they were legitimately hurt although #96 went down twice and seemingly went to the locker rooms after the second and #44 seemed hurt after the second time he went down (tackling Hooker). Most of the Ole Miss players going down was either after big plays or while they were lining up.

1st - 4:19 - 1st and 10 - Ole Miss Defender (#7) down (after a pick of of 12 yards and two consecutive first downs on drive after the safety)

2nd - 13:51 - 2nd and 10 - Vol Defender (#48) down (after dropped pass by Ole Miss)

2nd - 6:45 - 2nd and 3 - Vol Defender (#4) down (didn't get up from previous tackle, wringing in pain on the ground while holding wrist)

2nd - 3:09 - 2nd and 17 - Ole Miss defender (#1) down (falls down after lining up)

3rd - 6:28 - 3rd and 1 - Ole Miss defender (#44) down (after Hookers runs for nine yards)

3rd - 5:38 - 2nd and 10 - Ole Miss defender (#55) down (laid on the ground breathing heavy)

3rd - 5:12 - 4th and 10 - Ole Miss defender (#96) down

3rd - 2:53 - 1st and 10 - Vol defender (#2) down (after Matt Corral run for 1st down)

4th - 13:55 - 3rd and Goal - Ole Miss defender (#96) down (this time grabbing his knee)

4th - 11:51 - 3rd and 4 - Vol defender (#21) down (stretching his right calf)

4th - 10:53 - 1st and 10 - Vol offense lineman (#76) down (possible helmet issue)

4th - 8:46 - 2nd and 16 - Ole Miss defender (#24) down (grabbing right knee)

4th - 8:17 - 3rd and 17 - Ole Miss defender (#3x) down

4th - 5:26 - 2nd and 8 - Vol defender (#48) down (rolled up on previous play and never stood up)

4th - 4:52 - 2nd and 10 - Vol defender (#97) down

4th - 2:58 - 1st and 10 - Ole Miss defender (#6) down (after big first down catch)

4th - 2:07 - 2nd and 27 - Ole Miss defender (#44) down (goes down after tackle on Hooker and slow to get up)
 
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Shock-Vol, if it is within your interest or desire, tabulate your information. Maybe using Excel, Paradox, or any spreadsheet. Perhaps share it here and we of VN, use a form or personalize letter indicating why this tactic and behavior must be stopped considering how it is used to delay and disrupt fan appreciation for the game. Kind of like how activists send letters to their elected officials to prompt action. However, VN being VN, perhaps outline schedule dates to repeat the action over a worthy length of time. Just so they get it in their heads this is not a one of the mill action. Or just some Vols sore loser reaction. Say, the same information and demand sent once every two months until a public or otherwise response occurs. I'd say include the demand that they watch the video of the game, so the truth of what we claim is only too obvious. If possible, even flood their emails, voice mails, and whatever else until they take serious notice. If VN does this, I'm all in.

Personal note: Looking at your list I found myself getting pizzed off all over again.
 
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shock_vol said:
Not sure where the "28" number came from in that tweet. I scanned the game and put together the below list of when a player when down. From my count, I have Ole Miss had 10 and Vols had 7. From watching it again, it did seem that most of these for the Vols were probably legitimate players hurt. I only saw a couple that seemed like they were just trying to get subbed (and one helmet issue). Very few of Ole Miss downed players seemed like they were legitimately hurt although #96 went down twice and seemingly went to the locker rooms after the second and #44 seemed hurt after the second time he went down (tackling Hooker). Most of the Ole Miss players going down was either after big plays or while they were lining up.

1st - 4:19 - 1st and 10 - Ole Miss Defender (#7) down (after a pick of of 12 yards and two consecutive first downs on drive after the safety)

2nd - 13:51 - 2nd and 10 - Vol Defender (#48) down (after dropped pass by Ole Miss)

2nd - 6:45 - 2nd and 3 - Vol Defender (#4) down (didn't get up from previous tackle, wringing in pain on the ground while holding wrist)

2nd - 3:09 - 2nd and 17 - Ole Miss defender (#1) down (falls down after lining up)

3rd - 6:28 - 3rd and 1 - Ole Miss defender (#44) down (after Hookers runs for nine yards)

3rd - 5:38 - 2nd and 10 - Ole Miss defender (#55) down (laid on the ground breathing heavy)

3rd - 5:12 - 4th and 10 - Ole Miss defender (#96) down

3rd - 2:53 - 1st and 10 - Vol defender (#2) down (after Matt Corral run for 1st down)

4th - 13:55 - 3rd and Goal - Ole Miss defender (#96) down (this time grabbing his knee)

4th - 11:51 - 3rd and 4 - Vol defender (#21) down (stretching his right calf)

4th - 10:53 - 1st and 10 - Vol offense lineman (#76) down (possible helmet issue)

4th - 8:46 - 2nd and 16 - Ole Miss defender (#24) down (grabbing right knee)

4th - 8:17 - 3rd and 17 - Ole Miss defender (#3x) down

4th - 5:26 - 2nd and 8 - Vol defender (#48) down (rolled up on previous play and never stood up)

4th - 4:52 - 2nd and 10 - Vol defender (#97) down

4th - 2:58 - 1st and 10 - Ole Miss defender (#6) down (after big first down catch)

4th - 2:07 - 2nd and 27 - Ole Miss defender (#44) down (goes down after tackle on Hooker and slow to get up)
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I've heard 8, 14, 28... now 10.

I thought for sure at least 10 in the 2nd half.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
You realize we did the same to them right? Even one of our coaches was caught during a replay telling our defense guy who couldn't get off the field quick enough to go down for a fake injury.
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That was on offense ,and he had lost his helmet on the play, which the refs should have stopped play for to get him off the field.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
You realize we did the same to them right? Even one of our coaches was caught during a replay telling our defense guy who couldn't get off the field quick enough to go down for a fake injury.
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You might be thinking about the play where Spraggins lost his helmet and was slow to exit the field. Camera caught one of those coaches telling him to go down in order to get another guard out there without a delay of game penalty. If he had put his helmet on and went back to the line for the next play then I think the officials would have stopped play to substitute for him. By jogging off the field he kept the play clock running - should of just stood out there to allow the coaches to get someone in his spot.

All that to say it was nothing like what the Kiffen fakers we’re doing. IMO
 
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On a serious note, I don't have a problem with the Rebel mascot and name. Yes, I understand it offends some, but it has a historical tie-in, and football is a non-lethal form of warfare, with a few RARE exceptions related to accidents and medical circumstances. So I'm just not bothered by the name or mascot. However, if they have plans to change their name and mascot, I'd suggest going intellectual and use their native black bear and the name Ursus Ebons. Normally, college mascots use a single name, like Volunteers, Tigers, and Bulldogs, for example. But there are exceptions such as Crimson Tide, Sun Devils, Black Knights, and so on. However, I'm very uncertain Mississippi has either intellect or creativity, so something like this will never happen.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
And that somehow takes away from us doing it to them as well? See when you and others post this crap it screams its only fair if the vols do it and not them. So you see how stupid it looks?
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My man...at that point in the game we were at a serious disadvantage because of what Ole Miss was doing. In order to even compete we had to use that trick...once. And it was because our guy's helmet got ripped off (should have been a facemask call on Ole Miss because he ripped it off our guy) and then was trying to get off the field without the refs stepping in to slow Ole Miss down. So...I think the proof is in the pudding that the way Tennessee handled the "injury" is quite different than how Ole Miss handles the "injuries." With that in mind, we should all send flowers to the family of 44. After countless injuries I am sure he is incapacitated for life. His football career is surely over and his dreams of ever playing again are over.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
If you can understand simple English then you have a very hard life. I'll break it down even more just for you cupcake.

Ole miss had fake injuries to slow our drives.
Vols had fake injuries to slow ole miss drives.

Tell me how it's OK for the vols to do it and not the rebels again?
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Incorrect. A Vol coach told one player (who was injured by the way) to get down to save a time out. True, that is technically wrong but it is a WIDE difference in doing it 28 times (or 1/3rd of our offensive plays). What Ole Miss did was part of their defensive plan and it’s wrong. If you don’t understand that, I can’t help you. For the record, Omari Thomas went down once with cramps but I’m pretty sure that’s because it was the most he’s played so far in his career. His were legit.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
I've been a vols fan for over 20 years, I just don't like hypocrisy. This forum is filled with it. The "WE" is our vols players doing it too as in having fake injuries like ole piss did. I really didn't think that conversation was that hard to follow
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It is not hypocritical if you understand that we did it ONCE to save a timeout and they did it TWENTY EIGHT times as part of their defensive strategy. Evidently you have a problem with simple math and intent.
 
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