Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

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landscapingvol said:
Considering he is almost 90, I doubt he is spending his last few good years on Earth sabotaging the UT football program.
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Did you just read Atlanta Vol's post? Haslam has been the problem behind the dumpster fire of the last decade for football. He wants to hire and then control every damn coach we have-how's that going currently?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It's not a slam dunk and I don't ever call cases that. Many a slip between the cup and lip. I will say that I have taken more difficult cases and been successful. All of these cases hinge on perception and character.

Your version of the head coach's duties and mine differ. He might not be calling plays but he's damn sure watching them and the OL gets lots of his attention. If his position is he didn't notice I would make him look incompetent. An expert would be hired, a former coach, to testify that it is damn near inconceivable that Butch didn't notice. It's not a slam dunk, but I am confident I could convince a jury and perhaps more important it provides me leverage.

The difficult aspect of this case is damages. In this case they are uncertain, but the university is going to have a tough time fighting you on this aspect in the court of public opinion. Essentially, you would show the jury that every concussion causes brain damage. Every single one. Even a single concussion can cause permanent brain damage. Blows to the head while suffering the effects of a concussion exponentially increases the odds of permanent brain damage. The NCAA instituted a concussion protocol to specifically avoid the occurrence of multiple concussion in small time frame. UT via it's Jones and Wells deliberately ignored the protocol placing Brett at risk for multiple concussions. I would advocating for punitive damages.
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I have even more questions like did Butch say its the players responsibility to let the training staff know they are hurt? Thats not concsussion protocol. If you have a concussion you're supposed to remember? No.

Also, did they intentionally hide his condition from the SEC official and the training /medical staff?
 
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Another theory - given Gruden or die mentality, is Currie in a no win situation? Let's say he knows (for whatever reason) he can't get Gruden. What next? Maybe he's intentionally letting things bottom out so that the next coach has a smoother entry.
 
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eternal said:
and again
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Dan Wolken of USA Today isn't convinced Jon Gruden would make a good college coach. Read my blog: sportsradiownml.com/2017/11/02/jim……od-college-coach/
Nov 2, 2017, 2:43 PM
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Dan Wolken thinks that? OMG...Dan Wolken. Woah.

Shut 'er down boys. Dan Wolken thinks Gruden wouldn't make a good college coach. No use chasing this dream anymore.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Folks, one big part of AV's post we are missing/overlooking/not discussing:



This is the important part of his whole post. Not the "heard we reached out to another coach" or the BS behind the scenes. This meeting he refers to is where the battle will be fought.
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Bingo.
 
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revjayp said:
Did you know Ergen was a professional blackjack player? Maybe he’s splitting the Aces into 2 hands to ensure he can win against the “dealer”. Just an amateur attempt to explain why he’s funding the buyout for one (AD) and using the VC for the other (AA.) Am I close?
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He is also a mountain climber and has climbed...Mt Everest.
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
Well AV confirmed what many of us, including myself, have feared all along that Haslam would screw this up and surprise surprise he has. Probably a dead deal that could have been a done deal if he hadn't stood in the way. This isn't the damn university of Haslam even if he and his damn family want it to be. You would think Currie wouldn't commit career suicide just to appease one man (an old man who maybe won't even be living by the time we do another search since this hire will be crap). I had so much hope this time I hate the Haslams!!
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I mean...the business school is literally called Haslam School of Business...so at least a portion of it IS named after him
 
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volgr said:
Today, AV tells us, not only not a done deal but it may be dead.
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If you read AV words that way, I suggest you re-read and ask questions because this deal is not dead. I will also say if by chance it is dead, UT will be having to replace a whole bunch of dang money of prior boosters....IMHO !
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
Did you just read Atlanta Vol's post? Haslam has been the problem behind the dumpster fire of the last decade for football. He wants to hire and then control every damn coach we have-how's that going currently?
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About as well as its going in Cleveland.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Sorry to everyone for not being around much but there has been A LOT going on. This week has been an utter **** show....on so many levels.

Their has been hesitation internally to let butch go early due to the reputation that UT has gotten in that regard externally to the coaching community...however I think the hand may get forced on this one. And when I mean let go I mean publically let go....lets not mix that up. He is gone no doubt about that but the timing thing is really playing havoc on this whole process make no mistake about that.

I was delivered either an incredible smokescreen yesterday or something that tells me there is trouble in paradise on the gruden front (lets say it went along the lines of currie reached out to xyz coach to gauge interest what are your thoughts... I won't name the coach as I don't want to throw gas on that log) . I can't tell which yet but I have been on the phone all morning with one of the larger boosters (in ktown) discussing our wonderful browns owner who literally could screw up anything he gets involved in so that tells me all I need to know on that front. Now take all of that and couple it with the next important piece of info.

I was then informed early today of a meeting that will take place that I am supposed to attend (can't give timeline out) that will be about a very large donation opportunity for some folks in attendance. Now I can't imagine in my right mind that they would approach anyone about a meeting like that unless there was something extremely positive was going to happen.

I think the band is about the start playing...the biggest question will be is it who we want playing or not.
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Did you tell them if the coach didn't rhyme with Don Fruden, you didn't want to hear it?
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Another theory - given Gruden or die mentality, is Currie in a no win situation? Let's say he knows (for whatever reason) he can't get Gruden. What next? Maybe he's intentionally letting things bottom out so that the next coach has a smoother entry.
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Makes no sense to me. Let's take a smoldering, but growing, trash pile and turn it into a nuclear winter? Have you been in a coma for 10+ years or am I missing your intent?
 
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baburntt said:
From TOS:

this from a poster thats been a member since 2014
This gentleman has had lunch with both of these guys in the last two weeks. He said they are keeping everything super close, but he is going to a function tonight with what he called "The powers that be" and said he hopes more information comes out in the next few days. He also said don't worry about getting an up-and-comer or "small fish"...said it's going to be a wow hire. "Watch out for FL he said, they have the cash and would love to sink their teeth into our guy. "

TIFWIW but this guy I spoke to has his last name on a few buildings down there and donates more than all of us combined.

I should also add that Gruden is #1 on this guys list o.0
the title is "Just spoke with someone in touch with Currie and DiPietro."
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Maybe he's referencing the same meeting that AV referred to...
 
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For weeks now I've been lurking (mostly) in the Gruden threads. Occasionally I'll go out to the Football forum and maybe even read through a couple of threads. When I do, I feel almost like I'm cheating on my wife or something because I'm not in this thread reading and staying up to date.

Anyone else feel like that? :)
 
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