Offense is missing much more than a top level QB

[FlyFishnVol]

But they're regressing. That's the whole problem. Pruitt has shown no ability to develop talent or lead as a head coach. Both his players and well respected coordinators/position coaches are worse than that ought to be. At this point I can see no evidence he can get the job done.

Ok

 

[FlyFishnVol]

But they're regressing. That's the whole problem. Pruitt has shown no ability to develop talent or lead as a head coach. Both his players and well respected coordinators/position coaches are worse than that ought to be. At this point I can see no evidence he can get the job done.

You are not looking at this logically, young team, no real seniors, of course they will regress......

 

[VolFanNC09]

I think Pruitt wants to play like Texas A&M and have a grind it out style that uses a lot of clock. The problem with that is you have to play mistake free and things like the final four mins in the first half matter...the focus on being mistake free and on that is good...but a focus on getting the ball out quickly might be better

 

[JCHateSteve]

You are not looking at this logically, young team, no real seniors, of course they will regress......

If your talking about game 1 or 2, sure. But they should be progressing over a 10 game schedule and I see no evidence of that. We aren't on par talent wise with the big 3. But we are equal or better than the rest of the schedule in that regard. I see people saying we're going to be better next year. But I just don't see why anyone would believe that, other than blind hope, based on this season. If you got some tangible evidence I've missed, I'd love to here it.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

If your talking about game 1 or 2, sure. But they should be progressing over a 10 game schedule and I see no evidence of that. We aren't on par talent wise with the big 3. But we are equal or better than the rest of the schedule in that regard. I see people saying we're going to be better next year. But I just don't see why anyone would believe that, other than blind hope, based on this season. If you got some tangible evidence I've missed, I'd love to here it.

OMG.....so does every other team, dang, you think we are the only team having these issues?

 

[JCHateSteve]

OMG.....so does every other team, dang, you think we are the only team having these issues?

So does every other team? That doesn't even make sense. I said I'm not seeing Tennessee show progress and asked for evidence to the contrary. Are you saying nobody progressed this year? Missouri certainly seemed to get better this season. You said I was being illogical. So please, make your logical argument that things will be better next year.

 

[basspond]

It seems like our WR's are very seldom really open. Seems like our QBs constantly have to throw into tight coverage/small windows. I don't know if its Chaney's offense or the WRs. Personally, I lean towards Chaney not creative in getting WRs in the open field or good mismatches.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

So does every other team? That doesn't even make sense. I said I'm not seeing Tennessee show progress and asked for evidence to the contrary. Are you saying nobody progressed this year? Missouri certainly seemed to get better this season. You said I was being illogical. So please, make your logical argument that things will be better next year.

I think we are done here, I can't fix stupid.....is that logical enough?

 

[JCHateSteve]

I think we are done here, I can't fix stupid.....is that logical enough?

Lol, your can't make an coherent argument to support your point, so you start flinging insults and run away. I agree, we're done here.

 

[Chad F]

Can you explain how you know this about “the entire program?” I suppose you are an insider and are privy to all meetings, workouts, practices, film sessions, study halls, coaches meetings, etc. Is that correct?

Well, we could just start with the recent statement by Austin Pope that describes exactly this . . . Or you could just watch the results on the field.

We’re all Tennessee fans here, but there is something way wrong in the program right now. The talent was there to win the Kentucky, Arkansas, and even the Auburn games this year. We won none of these. Leadership and culture are the issues - and have been for a long time.

 

[Blackburn]

Despite knowing that our lack of talent at QB has hurt us, even with one, we have to be honest with ourselves: The style of offense that we run is going to diminish the opportunities for our players rather than support them. Until we evolve into a more modern style of offense, none of the players that we have will fully meet their potential. Defenses figured out this offensive style 15 years ago, which is why college offensive schemes have evolved. I don't understand why going back to a style that's already been figured out seemed like a good idea.

Until we catch up to the style of offense that succeeds at the collegiate level, we will continue to be hampered by opposing defenses: even with a quality QB.

What is the style of offense we need to run, in your opinion?

 

[birdie74]

Well, we could just start with the recent statements by Austin Pope that describes exactly this . . . Or you could just watch the results on the field.

We’re all Tennessee fans here, but there is something way wrong in the program right now. The talent was there to win the Kentucky, Arkansas, and even the Auburn games this year. We won none of these. Leadership and culture are the issues - and have been for a long time.

But your quote was “the entire program “ - that includes all of the coaches, staff, administration, etc. That is a very broad and strong indictment.
I also disagree with your comment that “we’re all Tennessee fans here.” There are many posters who post outright lies and intentional misinformation. These folks are not Tennessee fans.

 

[Chad F]

But your quote was “the entire program “ - that includes all of the coaches, staff, administration, etc. That is a very broad and strong indictment.
I also disagree with your comment that “we’re all Tennessee fans here.” There are many posters who post outright lies and intentional misinformation. These folks are not Tennessee fans.

Ok, but I haven’t seen much to suggest effective leadership anywhere beyond the players either. The coaches are responsible for leading the players, developing them, etc. There has been zero evidence of any of that happening that I can see - and that is the frustrating part. All these resources, facilities, and talent and we can’t even win the games that we’re supposed to.

You and I can quibble all day about the presence of leadership (or lack thereof) somewhere within the program - like maybe some of the front office admin assistants or athletic trainers have leadership - but the results on the field speak for themselves. Where it really matters, there doesn’t appear to be any.

And while there might be some trolls here, I really don’t think there are very many. The vast majority of folks here bleed Orange. You or I might disagree with some of them, but that doesn’t disqualify them from being “real fans.”

The problems in Knoxville are NOT symptomatic of the fanbase. They are products of terrible hires and decisions within the Athletic Department going back 15 years or more. So, I guess I’d go back to my original point. It’s about leadership, on and off the field.

 

[lexkyvol]

Chaney was not allowed to coach the QBs in order to keep a position coach happy.

uh he was making the oline better. cant coach the whole offense

 

[lexkyvol]

Offensively, we have to be able to create balance. We want to be able to run the football when we want to run it. It starts with dominating the line of scrimmage. It's not a secret. If you want to be successful in this league, you have to be able to dominate up front. That's mental and physical toughness. We want to create explosive plays in the pass game. That starts with being able to run the football.

Introductory Press Conference: Jeremy Pruitt - University of Tennessee Athletics


He said it from the minute he stepped on campus. Run first is his philosphy. Cheney has always adapted his offense wherever he was to what he had, everywhere he’s been, based on talent, until now where he’s trying to shove it down people throats with backs that weigh 200 pounds. the biggest problem with that mentality is we havent had the running backs and OL to be a run first team. Gray is not a bruiser. Chandler is inconsistent at best. Our OL was too. So why keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole?

Pruitt also left JG in there too long, for a multitude of wrong reasons imo. As soon as Bailey/Shrout got in there we saw a change in offense, throwing down the middle of the field, screens, slants. Too little too late, but it changed for the better and we all saw what a balanced attack could do if its actually balanced.

small rbs in the nfl dominate. Kamara

because to win in the SEC, that's the way to play. but it still isnt evidence because chaney signed up for it. he had a chance to turn it down. plus he signed for 7 figures meaning he was intrusted with the offense. yalls hate for pruitt clouds judgement a lot and this is one of the main cases

 

[birdie74]

Ok, but I haven’t seen much to suggest effective leadership anywhere beyond the players either. The coaches are responsible for leading the players, developing them, etc. There has been zero evidence of any of that happening that I can see - and that is the frustrating part. All these resources, facilities, and talent and we can’t even win the games that we’re supposed to.

You and I can quibble all day about the presence of leadership (or lack thereof) somewhere within the program - like maybe some of the front office admin assistants or athletic trainers have leadership - but the results on the field speak for themselves. Where it really matters, there doesn’t appear to be any.

And while there might be some trolls here, I really don’t think there are very many. The vast majority of folks here bleed Orange. You or I might disagree with some of them, but that doesn’t disqualify them from being “real fans.”

The problems in Knoxville are NOT symptomatic of the fanbase. They are products of terrible hires and decisions within the Athletic Department going back 15 years or more. So, I guess I’d go back to my original point. It’s about leadership, on and off the field.

You make some good points that seem valid, but the original post included hyperbole and exaggeration.
My original comments were in reference to the broad criticism of the entire program. I happen to know several folks within the program all of which care deeply, lead daily and are great reps of our program, University and State.

 

[VolforFootball]

What is the style of offense we need to run, in your opinion?

Something like Ole Miss. Similar to ours, but with a lot of pre-snap trickery, and counters+misdirections.

 

[VOLfrombama]

small rbs in the nfl dominate. Kamara

because to win in the SEC, that's the way to play. but it still isnt evidence because chaney signed up for it. he had a chance to turn it down. plus he signed for 7 figures meaning he was intrusted with the offense. yalls hate for pruitt clouds judgement a lot and this is one of the main cases

Kamara is an exception, not the rule. And you seriously can’t consider gray or chandler on the same level as any NFL caliber back.
Your love for pruitt obviously clouds your judgement. If you can’t see that he is a micro-manager and over his head, then i am sorry. It will be over in 11 months after Pruitt keeps shoving that square peg in.

 

[lexkyvol]

Kamara is an exception, not the rule. And you seriously can’t consider gray or chandler on the same level as any NFL caliber back.
Your love for pruitt obviously clouds your judgement. If you can’t see that he is a micro-manager and over his head, then i am sorry. It will be over in 11 months after Pruitt keeps shoving that square peg in.

plenty of similar size rbs in college with success. has nothing to do with a love for anybody, but more from football knowledge. ur hate clouds ur judgement clearly.

 

[DougAtkins91]

It seems like our WR's are very seldom really open. Seems like our QBs constantly have to throw into tight coverage/small windows. I don't know if its Chaney's offense or the WRs. Personally, I lean towards Chaney not creative in getting WRs in the open field or good mismatches.

The fundamentals of running routes is a science that can be taught! Speed and physical talent is not the only thing that gets one open. Our receivers do not run good routes, squared off and thusly can’t create space.

 

[Chad F]

You make some good points that seem valid, but the original post included hyperbole and exaggeration.
My original comments were in reference to the broad criticism of the entire program. I happen to know several folks within the program all of which care deeply, lead daily and are great reps of our program, University and State.

I don’t doubt there are good, well-intentioned folks all over the place in the Athletic Department and within the football program specifically.

The issue is that none of them (or at least none of those in a position to do so) have been able to lead any sort of positive change that results in better on-the-field outcomes.

 

[VOLfrombama]

plenty of similar size rbs in college with success. has nothing to do with a love for anybody, but more from football knowledge. ur hate clouds ur judgement clearly.

Then why have our running backs not had any success? Grays had a handful of 100 yard games. Other than that, where’s the success over the past 3 seasons? Both Rbs were clearly better on the perimeter yet we stayed running between the tackles. How is that productive? It’s insane is what it is.

 

[jarnol32]

The ability to get to that point actually does.

According to Gardener's multiple intelligences theory (i could note others), interpersonal and intrapersonal intelligence would play a large role in being able to succeed while rising through the coaching ranks and achieving goals. Not to mention body-kinesthetic intelligence (obvious), and logical-mathematical, which wouldn't necessarily mean he can solve complex calculations, but he does recognize patterns such as when onside kicks, fake punts, or specific plays/schemes are being called by the opposition.

I would argue that pretty much anyone who has created a value for their own employment in the millions of dollars per year, is intelligent. That doesn't mean book smart, and hasn't since about 1983.

A great qb is like a good bandage. It covers up a lot of unsightly things.

 

[reeceb73]

Chaney sucks. He's so overrated because he had bray, hunter and patterson. He doesn't help the D with his 3 and outs. GA was happy to see him leave. This idea that pruitt is what is holding Chaney back is nonsense. Chaney sucks.

 

[basspond]

The fundamentals of running routes is a science that can be taught! Speed and physical talent is not the only thing that gets one open. Our receivers do not run good routes, squared off and thusly can’t create space.

That would be the OCs job to make sure they are taught and absolutely demand good route running. Its reflects on him and his expectations from his players. Appears he doesn't really care much (anymore).