Offense is missing much more than a top level QB

#26
#26
I just don’t believe there are any leaders on this team. Without leaders; a team doesn’t have an identity. There’s no one who sets the bar and DEMANDS everyone play up to their level. There isn’t that one guy that everyone on the sideline knows is willing and capable of carrying the team.

More than anything; this team needs leadership.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
I just don’t believe there are any leaders on this team. Without leaders; a team doesn’t have an identity. There’s no one who sets the bar and DEMANDS everyone play up to their level. There isn’t that one guy that everyone on the sideline knows is willing and capable of carrying the team.

More than anything; this team needs leadership.
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Maybe Eric Gray about the only one..
 
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VolforFootball said:
Of course it will improve it. But it will not be enough to get the job done against quality SEC defenses. This style of offesnive play has a number of recipes on how to be stopped. That's why the majority of successful college offensives are successful: because they try and execute new ideas that don't yet have a sound recipe for how to be stopped. One has to be unpredictable in the modern college game. And doing the opposite is not a recipe for success.
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The offense we have been running is based off the abilities our QB's had. The offense is most likely dummied down to whatever point they are in their development. When u dont have good qb play u have to run a ball control scheme just to protect them. U cant throw 50 passes when you have guys turning it over throwing 10-15 times.
 
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Unpopular opinion:

Even if we keep the entire staff, I could see a major offensive explosion next year. VQ thinks Velus is back next season, Hyatt should only improve, they’ll be forced to play our young wrs thanks to transfers and graduations.

On top of that our line has most of its parts back, Gray is back, Small looks good, Evans is supposed to be elite.

Salter is supposedly Chaney’s man, Bailey didn’t look bad, and hopefully we get a grad transfer to push both of them.

This offensive unit may just take off and save Pruitt.
 
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N.ohio vol said:
If we get a qb in there that can actually play that will open chaneys offense wide open. What bray did here in 2012 wasnt luck. He broke some records here. Unfortunately we could only avg like 2 yards a carry so we had to pass every down. If he had our run game we have now things would of been alot different.
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The defense gave zero help too. If the defense was even a shell of our 2011 defense, Dooley likely wins 3-4 more games for a 8-10 win season.

The biggest things our offense needs is 1- a quality O line coach 2- an actual S&C coach. Don’t blame Pruitt for promoting within because changing the S&C staff once Fitz left in the middle of Spring getting shutdown would have been death. S&C took a major hit this year because Fitz left literally at the worst time on the calendar. No offense to current guy but we need to hire a proven guy now that Spring schedule will likely resemble a normal Spring Camp and not 2020’s version.
 
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N.ohio vol said:
If we get a qb in there that can actually play that will open chaneys offense wide open. What bray did here in 2012 wasnt luck. He broke some records here. Unfortunately we could only avg like 2 yards a carry so we had to pass every down. If he had our run game we have now things would of been alot different.
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Maybe it's Chaney...

With Bray we couldn't run
Without Bray we couldnt pass


Maybe his offense has too many tells and is easy to make one dimensional..🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️


Not saying it's fact but offering it as an opposing viewpoint.
 
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We're trying to run a more balanced offense. We need the running game to open up the passing game and vice versa. If we become one dimensional it effects both attacks, which in turn hurts the defense. I think it can improve next year, but it does start with the QB. If there is no threat of the pass, they can key in on the run.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
HB showed he can move the ball down the field once he got some opportunities. He needs more timing development. Now if they can develop some chemistry between WRs and Qb and the passing game will open up. They also need a big back to step up so they can have the change of pace back in Gray. Those 2 things will free Cheney up to run a more balanced attack.

Pruitt also needs to back off and let Cheney earn his 7 figure salary.
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what has pruitt done to suggest he is causing chaney issues and what proof do you have?
 
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VolforFootball said:
Despite knowing that our lack of talent at QB has hurt us, even with one, we have to be honest with ourselves: The style of offense that we run is going to diminish the opportunities for our players rather than support them. Until we evolve into a more modern style of offense, none of the players that we have will fully meet their potential. Defenses figured out this offensive style 15 years ago, which is why college offensive schemes have evolved. I don't understand why going back to a style that's already been figured out seemed like a good idea.

Until we catch up to the style of offense that succeeds at the collegiate level, we will continue to be hampered by opposing defenses: even with a quality QB.
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That’s why it was so dumb of us (fulmer) to hire a guy that’s spent his entire career on the defensive side of the ball that wants us to play old school throwback football. And to boot... pruitt isn’t an intelligent guy. He’s never going to recognize what you just stated and adapt. And yet there’s an incredibly intelligent offensive coach out there to and told people in the know that tn is his dream job.
 
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VolforFootball said:
Of course it will improve it. But it will not be enough to get the job done against quality SEC defenses. This style of offesnive play has a number of recipes on how to be stopped. That's why the majority of successful college offensives are successful: because they try and execute new ideas that don't yet have a sound recipe for how to be stopped. One has to be unpredictable in the modern college game. And doing the opposite is not a recipe for success.
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I see what you're saying and Id also love to see us change things up. But a lot of it comes down to calling the right play at the right time and being able to execute and extend. The offense changed drastically just with HB. But then it seemed like WRs couldn't get open quick enough, routes took too long to develope, and o line couldn't block and suddenly HB didn't look as good. Right now we just have to assume and hope for the best until the football Gods bless us.
 
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lexkyvol said:
what has pruitt done to suggest he is causing chaney issues and what proof do you have?
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I dont think he’s done anything other than dictate an offensive philosophy to Cheney and not help develop a Qb, which Cheney is known for doing. The proof is in the lack of production. I’d be willing to bet it’s one of Cheney’s worst years statistically speaking but I really haven’t spent much time looking into that.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I dont think he’s done anything other than dictate an offensive philosophy to Cheney and not help develop a Qb, which Cheney is known for doing. The proof is in the lack of production. I’d be willing to bet it’s one of Cheney’s worst years statistically speaking but I really haven’t spent much time looking into that.
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and where do u get this at? that he has dictated anything?
 
#43
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lexkyvol said:
and where do u get this at? that he has dictated anything?
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Offensively, we have to be able to create balance. We want to be able to run the football when we want to run it. It starts with dominating the line of scrimmage. It's not a secret. If you want to be successful in this league, you have to be able to dominate up front. That's mental and physical toughness. We want to create explosive plays in the pass game. That starts with being able to run the football.

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He said it from the minute he stepped on campus. Run first is his philosphy. Cheney has always adapted his offense wherever he was to what he had, everywhere he’s been, based on talent, until now where he’s trying to shove it down people throats with backs that weigh 200 pounds. the biggest problem with that mentality is we havent had the running backs and OL to be a run first team. Gray is not a bruiser. Chandler is inconsistent at best. Our OL was too. So why keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole?

Pruitt also left JG in there too long, for a multitude of wrong reasons imo. As soon as Bailey/Shrout got in there we saw a change in offense, throwing down the middle of the field, screens, slants. Too little too late, but it changed for the better and we all saw what a balanced attack could do if its actually balanced.
 
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Missing a good OC

Dynamic QB

Better OL and rushing (11th in the SEC rushing this year).
 
#45
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VOLfrombama said:
Offensively, we have to be able to create balance. We want to be able to run the football when we want to run it. It starts with dominating the line of scrimmage. It's not a secret. If you want to be successful in this league, you have to be able to dominate up front. That's mental and physical toughness. We want to create explosive plays in the pass game. That starts with being able to run the football.

Introductory Press Conference: Jeremy Pruitt - University of Tennessee Athletics


He said it from the minute he stepped on campus. Run first is his philosphy. Cheney has always adapted his offense wherever he was to what he had, everywhere he’s been, based on talent, until now where he’s trying to shove it down people throats with backs that weigh 200 pounds. the biggest problem with that mentality is we havent had the running backs and OL to be a run first team. Gray is not a bruiser. Chandler is inconsistent at best. Our OL was too. So why keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole?

Pruitt also left JG in there too long, for a multitude of wrong reasons imo. As soon as Bailey/Shrout got in there we saw a change in offense, throwing down the middle of the field, screens, slants. Too little too late, but it changed for the better and we all saw what a balanced attack could do if its actually balanced.
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He's living in the past. Even Saban realized the way forward...didn't seem to rub off on JP. He's just a good ole Bama HS coach that wants to play defense and run a wing offense to 13-6 wins all year.
 
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Real Info said:
Having bigger backs who break tackles and fall forward will help too!
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We have some of those coming in as well. This program might not be jumping off the map as it relates to W vs L, but CJP is building a team that could be special and I will bet dimes to donuts, we all will sit back and say.....Oooh I see....jmo
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
We have some of those coming in as well. This program might not be jumping off the map as it relates to W vs L, but CJP is building a team that could be special and I will bet dimes to donuts, we all will sit back and say.....Oooh I see....jmo
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What does that even mean? What exactly do you expect us all to see?
 
#48
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chattavol420 said:
That’s why it was so dumb of us (fulmer) to hire a guy that’s spent his entire career on the defensive side of the ball that wants us to play old school throwback football. And to boot... pruitt isn’t an intelligent guy. He’s never going to recognize what you just stated and adapt. And yet there’s an incredibly intelligent offensive coach out there to and told people in the know that tn is his dream job.
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Intelligent enough to make $3,846,000 in 2020!!

I might score higher than him on a standardized test, but that doesn't make him unintelligent.
 
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VolforFootball said:
Despite knowing that our lack of talent at QB has hurt us, even with one, we have to be honest with ourselves: The style of offense that we run is going to diminish the opportunities for our players rather than support them. Until we evolve into a more modern style of offense, none of the players that we have will fully meet their potential. Defenses figured out this offensive style 15 years ago, which is why college offensive schemes have evolved. I don't understand why going back to a style that's already been figured out seemed like a good idea.

Until we catch up to the style of offense that succeeds at the collegiate level, we will continue to be hampered by opposing defenses: even with a quality QB.
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With a really good QB, we would have went 7-3
 
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