Now that CJP is believed to be staying.... [wins next year]

#51
#51
IF and thats a big IF the hardly any spring and fall practices were the reason we stunk this year and assuming next year is normal then no more than 4 losses and depending on how bad those 4 losses are and to whom I think he stays. I am giving 3 L's to the usual 3 and one more loss depending on possibly Ole Miss. If we are blown out in all the losses (20 or more points) or lose more than 4 he should be gone.
 
#52
#52
8-4 or better and there is a discussion.

7-5 or less, he's probably gone

losing record, no chance he's here

Probably right. If apathy continues and ticket sales and fan attendance drop it could expedite it.

The really sad thing is there is zero chance Pruitt beats UF, Bama, and UGA next year and everyone knows it. But the AD seems to be fine with that.
 
#53
#53
I think the only way he is gone is if we have another losing season. Sadly, I think he can stay employed for many years to come if he stays at least .500. That is where we are at as a program.


Tennessee aspires to have .500 seasons and if you look at the SEC records for the last 10 years, .500 would be a great improvement....
Truth
 
#54
#54
6 or less he’s gone
7 I’d say 60/40 he’s gone
8 or more he stays

Not my desire but that’s what I think the admin says. I’m with OP, 9 should be the floor.
 
#57
#57
I think 7. They’ll sell it as a 4 game improvement when it’s just the cupcakes that bump up the win total.

Florida
Georgia
Alabama

Toss ups
South Carolina
Missouri
Kentucky
Pitt
Ole miss


I'd say you can go ahead and put SoCar in the sure win category for Tenn. Other than that, I think you are spot on.
 
#58
#58
Like it or not, UT wins 4-5 games next year it will be seen as an improvement over this year so that’s probably the floor. I’m not saying that I agree. That’s just what it is
 
#59
#59
How many wins saves his job next year?

Try to remember this isn’t what the fans think should be the number. I think 9 should be the floor. This is what we think the university will actually require. This goes beyond Fulmer. I believe the administration simply doesn’t care. I think my university is so inept and cares so little about winning that 7 and maybe even 6 gives us another year of CJP.


And the garbage continues.
Believe to be staying? I don’t believe
 
#60
#60
Does it?
The TV money has reduced the impact on ticket sales. Plus basketball is going to drive merchandise sales this year.
From 2019 financial summary:

"Athletic department revenues for ticket sales ($36.2 million) and media rights ($34.9 million) increased in the 2019 fiscal year, while contributions ($31.3 million) decreased by nearly $3 million. Overall, Tennessee had $143.8 million in revenue and $143 million in expenses. "

About a quarter of all AD revenue is from ticket sales. While that's for all sports, football has to be the main source. Plus a drop in season tickets will cause a drop in donations since people likely aren't going to maintain the same level of contributions if they're not having to do it to get seats.

Edit: found the break down by sport - $29 million for football, $5.2 million for men's basketball, $2 million combined for all remaining sports.
 
#62
#62
How many wins saves his job next year?

Try to remember this isn’t what the fans think should be the number. I think 9 should be the floor. This is what we think the university will actually require. This goes beyond Fulmer. I believe the administration simply doesn’t care. I think my university is so inept and cares so little about winning that 7 and maybe even 6 gives us another year of CJP.


And the garbage continues.
Did you think that 3 would be the floor this year ?
 
#63
#63
I’m not sure anymore. If losing 70% of your games in a season AND getting busted at cheating doesn’t get you fired? What does it take? Getting busted with a carload of hookers and blow?

I don’t see Pruitt doing any better than 6-6 next season, and that appears to be good enough for Ol’ Phil.

Oh man look at the bright side. He’s won 30% of his games this season.
 
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#64
#64
Does it matter? I have a feeling if we merely make a bowl next season, i.e. 6-6 then he'll get a 5th year.

I'd only add to this while a bowl helps the biggest factor is how tough we play superior teams. The blowouts simply can't happen anymore.
 
#65
#65
The really disturbing thing is that by retaining Pruitt, we have announced to the world and all recruits that winning is less important to Tennessee than it is to both Auburn and South Carolina.
 
#66
#66
Y'all are suffering from selective memory. UT has embarrassed itself beyond the pale with administrative follies these past two decades (Hamilton was promoted to men's AD in 2003. Yes, that long ago.). NO ACCOMPLISHED P5 COACH HAS WANTED TO WORK FOR UT DURING THIS TIME (Discounting The Pirate because Curry was pursuing him as he was being fired by UT).

We've had three years of Fulmer and Pruitt, both face-saving hires by a University that couldn't restore its reputation with these hires. UT still needs to reestablish its semblance of sanity, build some continuity as a reasonably desirable place to be employed. Fulmer's contract runs through 2023, Pruitt's through 2025. Any change at these positions needs to be handled with aplomb, reflecting well on UT, and that cannot transpire within the next two years. Tennessee football can wallow in mire for two, even three more years before UT can trade up, hire someone at the top of their field.

OK, let's buy into your delusion that everyone worth their nickles WANTS the Tennessee job. There's no money to get it done. UT isn't fat with cash. UT doesn't have an enviable cash flow at the moment, nor is one projected for it. UT does have some hefty obligations on its ledger which will eat up revenues, once these start flowing again.

To summarize, one can still smell the smoke of a decade and a half dumpster fire that was UT's administration, the coffers are barren, athletics is in the hands of a first-time AD whose tenure as coach was grossly mishandled by a predecessor, and the football program is in the hands of a first-time HC who is fumbling through the learning curve. This is where we are. Enjoy this cast for at least the next two years.
 
#68
#68
I really dont care at this point. I used to schedule my life around college football. I'm to the point my 50 year old body and mind cant take the sickness going on in the program any longer. Thankfully my first love of basketball is finally where I always dreamed it would be. I wish for football to be relevant again. But I'm not gonna spend time worrying about it anymore.
I found myself after 50+ years of following the football Vols, finally tuning out after the Auburn game. Deleted the “this is the year” attitude. My Saturdays were not controlled by an entire day in Ktown or a tv slot. I was free and not angrily screaming for 3 hours or more. Never ever thought it would come to this for me. My home is full of memorabilia & memories. Thank God for bball. I’m changing sports so I can laugh & cheer again. It feels so good.
 
#69
#69
I don't know who the so called "cupcakes" are next year but what happens if we lose to 1 or 2 of them? Like a GA. ST.
This year JP/PF have a excuse that we had to play a all SEC schedule. Anyone wonder what would have appended if JP
had lost 1 or 2 of those cupcake games this year? We will never know.
So-called OOC 'cupcakes' 2021: Bowling Green, Pitt, South Alabama
 
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#70
So-called OOC 'cupcakes' 2021: Bowling Green, Pitt, South Alabama
Hmm, there should be one more.

As a fellow Power 5 conference member, Pitt isn't one of the cupcakes. BG and South Alabama are. I guess the schedulers are still working on locking in the last one.
 
#74
#74
8-4 or better and there is a discussion.

7-5 or less, he's probably gone

losing record, no chance he's here
Are you kidding? 7 and 5 next year will be called “turning things around”. He will get another extension and probably a street named after him. This is UT you know. Our bar is so low now they have to rent an excavator to check it
 
#75
#75
How many wins saves his job next year?

Try to remember this isn’t what the fans think should be the number. I think 9 should be the floor. This is what we think the university will actually require. This goes beyond Fulmer. I believe the administration simply doesn’t care. I think my university is so inept and cares so little about winning that 7 and maybe even 6 gives us another year of CJP.


And the garbage continues.

If we can't separate from Pruitt with a reduced buyout, I don't think we will fire him if we have to pay full buyout.

With that said and he returns for year 4, 8-4 regular season minimum means 4-4 in SEC AT ABSOLUTE WORST. 8-4 with more blowout losses to big 3 and he's toast.

To be honest, it depends how well Bailey is playing as well. I hate we have to factor in the 3 non conf games as toss ups, but Pruitt has to absolutely murder those 3 teams in blowout fashion to calm folks going into SEC play.

However, we all need to pump the brakes and let the process play out with this investigation and potential firing Pruitt with cause or reduced buyout. No sense getting worked up over something that is clearly being talked about right now with the powers that be.
 
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