Now that CJP is believed to be staying.... [wins next year]

#76
#76
Did you think that 3 would be the floor this year ?

While I personally find it hard to believe he hasn’t been fired, I still am not totally surprised given what the administration has done with the last 20 years.


If asked what I thought the floor should have been before the season started I’d have probably thought 5 wins was a very disappointing year but reason to allow another year.
 
  • Like
Reactions: VolunteerHillbilly
#77
#77
If Pruitt isn’t going to be let to this year. I would be surprised if anything better than 5-7 would get him canned next year. Maybe, 6-6 with a really embarrassing bowl loss.
 
#79
#79
This is how I'd handicap it
4 wins or less, gone
5 wins 45/55 he's gone.
6 wins 65/35 he stays
7 wins or more he'll be back.
 
#80
#80
If Pruitt isn’t going to be let to this year. I would be surprised if anything better than 5-7 would get him canned next year. Maybe, 6-6 with a really embarrassing bowl loss.

For whatever reason, Fulmer seems content with watching this fool lose...and lose big. I’m wondering if 4-8 would get him fired. It’s pathetic.
 
#83
#83
How many wins saves his job next year?

Try to remember this isn’t what the fans think should be the number. I think 9 should be the floor. This is what we think the university will actually require. This goes beyond Fulmer. I believe the administration simply doesn’t care. I think my university is so inept and cares so little about winning that 7 and maybe even 6 gives us another year of CJP.


And the garbage continues.

I am with u on the 9 for the floor. But i think all ut admin. Cares is make a bowl game. 6 wins and we are stuck with pruitt
 
  • Like
Reactions: Orangeslice13
#87
#87
Barring a loss to Bowling Green in Neyland, if he gets 7 wins we will "welcome the continued improvement and look forward Coach Pruitt's continued leadership in 2022....."

TN is rapidly approaching the resignation stage. "Well, we haven't beaten FL but once in 15 years, so I'm not sure what expectations were for that game. Georgia and Alabama are powerhouse teams that could beat anybody in the country. We've gone head to head with South Carolina over the years and they were really good this year......"

Welcome to the new normal in Tennessee football.

6-7 wins and nothing more expected.

And Fulmer will convince himself he made a good hire.
 
#90
#90
6, so long as he makes a bowl he'll get another year. It'll go up to 7 the following year, and I don't think it ever goes higher than that.
 
#93
#93
IF we are stuck with this Moron again I say he needs to wine them all or be fired period. Fans don’t want him here Fulmer seems to be the only one so when he fails next season let’s go out and get an AD and coach that actually wants to succeed
 
#94
#94
IF we are stuck with this Moron again I say he needs to wine them all or be fired period. Fans don’t want him here Fulmer seems to be the only one so when he fails next season let’s go out and get an AD and coach that actually wants to succeed
Should we use pitchforks to convince them?
 
#95
#95
While I personally find it hard to believe he hasn’t been fired, I still am not totally surprised given what the administration has done with the last 20 years.


If asked what I thought the floor should have been before the season started I’d have probably thought 5 wins was a very disappointing year but reason to allow another year.
I don't even think it's fair to evaluate CJP on wins and losses. He's had some good first quarters. I'd just start there. How many games did we look competitive 15 minutes in? Go from there. Maybe in two or three years we start looking at halftime stats. You see where I'm going. If recruiting goes good and we have stability, we can start looking at the wins and losses in nine or ten years.
 
#96
#96
What makes you say that?
Defensive master mind Jeremy Pruitt has given up:
38, 43, and 44 to UGA
58, 35, and 48 to Bama
47, 34, and 31 to UF

Three years and no progress at all against our main Rivals. No more 5-year plans. Losing to West Virginia AGAIN will seal the deal.
 
#98
#98
IMO it’s not the number of wins, it used to be....Now as long as there is 90K plus attendance & Hotel’s & Restaurants are satisfied. There will be not enough pressure to warrant change. The fans will matter if they quit coming and spending money. We just need a semi competitive team to reach what I feel the goals have landed. Be a VFL and support the team no matter how bad things get.This is what I’m hearing from a certain group, actually some get fighting mad if you are not satisfied or OK with the state of the program.
 
I'm going to swim against the tide a bit here. Let me make VERY CLEAR that I am NOT predicting that Pruitt will turn it around. But let's assign a low probability to it, say 20%, what would it take? (Warning this will be long)

First, what was the problem this year? Largely it could be traced to JG. JG definitely cost us the Kentucky and Auburn games and arguably Arkansas. Setting Arkansas aside, if we had beaten Kentucky and Auburn, would we even be having this discussion? Or alternatively, Pruitt benches JG permanently after Kentucky (or at least benched and on a short leash if he ever goes back in as a reliever), and we go on to beat Arkansas and Auburn. At 5-5 in a pandemic year, I would not be completely happy but it would be acceptable, and I think it would be to most Vol fans. Disclosure, my expectation was 6-4.

Second, speaking of 6-4 (or 3-7!), they were all SEC games and this made things much tougher. Yes, I know it made it tougher for the entire SEC (but there are other teams struggling, no?). Let's say we play the schedule with no pandemic, that's two losses gone (Auburn and Tamu), and instead we get four patsies that probably even Pruitt can beat. Then we are 7-5, which again is acceptable to me (my expectation was 8-4).

So in either alt scenario above, for me at least, Pruitt would have just squeezed by this year. I always say that one game less than my expectations is acceptable (though not desirable) but two games less is not.

Thus had Pruitt (a) made the obvious adjustment everyone thought he needed to, or (b) not had to deal with the pandemic, he likely just barely makes the cut this year,and there might be some cause for optimism going forward, since JG has finally been replaced.

Having said all that, I can finally get to the meat of this discussion. I think going forward, the only hope Pruitt has is that (and this has been overlooked) he does seem to learn (if only very slowly) from his mistakes. This is a contrast with Butch Jones, who would never admit he was wrong and would never make any adjustments AT ALL (just take the HS offense he never adjusted, for one). An example is that we were unprepared for GSU and suffered a humiliating loss. But from that day, have we ever been unprepared? Not really. On the contrary most of the time we play well in the first half and then get skunked in the second.

I will point to another example, which has not really been discussed, and from which Pruitt apparently took the lesson a little too much to heart. Last year, he yanked JG very quickly. In fact, he probably yanked him too quickly in some games, and was even criticized for it a bit. Mauer and Shrout got all kinds of chances last year (and if Mauer could ever learn not to dive head first into opposing DLs, he might have stayed the starter but I digress). This year, he seemed to go completely against that, to a fault. However, there is no doubt that he modified his behavior.

So other than JG, what were his other faults this season? Inability to adjust at half time is the most glaring, but also a puzzling loss of ability in pass defense (which looked adequate if not good during most of the 8 game win streak. Also under performance of the OL at times. But those problems do seem fixable.

Bottom line...what if JG was the thing mostly holding us back, and now that (thank GOD!) he is finally gone, the Vols actually do well next year? And Pruitt addresses the halftime adjustments and other things?

Like I said, not LIKELY, but still POSSIBLE. We will see.
 
Advertisement



Back
Top