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Orange_Crush said:
No. You are making assumptions, which is OK as long as you admit that you're making assumptions.

Jesus is called the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Does that mean that lions are mythical creatures?

One of Jacob's sons was called a fast deer. Does that mean that deer are mythical creatures. Another was called a snake. Does that mean that snakes are mythical creatures?

In the book of Job, both creatures were described in great detail. How they moved, ate, etc... They were also described to Job as if he would be very familiar with them. Interestingly enough, the context of the conversation was God's defense of His intellect and power by describing his creation, as opposed to mythical allegory. His creation... That which He actually made.

If you're going to feign Biblical scholarship, learn how to do it.
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wtf?

Yeah, I read the mentions in the book of Job. It seems metaphorical.

Again, Job does not say he was getting water and saw the creature. He is prophesying, right?

God's creation?....let's think about this for a second....if dinosaurs existed 3 million years ago, wouldn't they be "his creation"? Seriously, you need to think through your conclusions. None of this speaks to the existence of dinosaurs in old testament days.
 
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n_huffhines said:
wtf?

Yeah, I read the mentions in the book of Job. It seems metaphorical.
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Seems... To you...

n_huffhines said:
Again, Job does not say he was getting water and saw the creature. He is prophesying, right?
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No. He is not prophesying. It is a description of what God said to Job, not what Job said to or about God. It was God's words, not Job's. (It seems to huff--who doesn't even seem to be familiar with the text--to be metaphorical.)

n_huffhines said:
God's creation?....let's think about this for a second....if dinosaurs existed 3 million years ago, wouldn't they be "his creation"?
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They sure would. So? Whether millions of years, or thousands, the Bible speaks of those creatures as actual beasts, as opposed to mythical metaphor, which was your contention. Please try to keep up with your own argument.

n_huffhines said:
Seriously, you need to think through your conclusions. None of this speaks to the existence of dinosaurs in old testament days.
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I have obviously thought more on this, and longer, than you, since I am familiar with the text, and can follow your argument, which was that the creatures were metaphors.

And I've said already that these creatures may or may not be talking about dinosaurs. That's a long way from "definitely did", or bamawriter's "definitely didn't".

Again... My point is... What word would they be looking for? You brought up descriptions. I brought up possible descriptions. You massacred the text. I called you on it. Now, you're lost somewhere and forgetting that you and I were talking about whether the text was mythical metaphor, or describing a real creature.

That pretty much sums it up, I think. But again... I don't know whether they are describing dinosaurs or not, just like you and bamawriter don't.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't know whether they are describing dinosaurs or not
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I don't care if they are describing dinosaurs or not. This is not evidence of young earth. That is all I am speaking to. They are not saying these creatures/dinosaurs existed in their time.

If I am wrong, show me where they say that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't care if they are describing dinosaurs or not. This is not evidence of young earth. That is all I am speaking to. They are not saying these creatures/dinosaurs existed in their time.

If I am wrong, show me where they say that.
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Behold, Behemoth,
which I made as I made you;
he eats grass like an ox.
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A simple reading of the text, without agenda, tells Job to behold Behemoth. It would be hard to behold something that wasn't around any longer.

Then God describes Behemoth's actions in present tense--those things that Job would have seen happening at the time.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass...
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And how many times do I have to say it? I haven't said that this is definitive evidence of dinosaurs in the Bible, or a young earth. I'm not trying to prove a young earth because I don't know how old the earth is. I brought them up to make a point about bamawriter's definitive assertion that there are no references to them.

There may not be. There may be. He doesn't really know.

Geez Louise... This isn't that complicated.

You could claim that the text describes a hippo, and I'd say "maybe, maybe not." You could say that the Leviathon describes a crocodile, and I'd point out that crocodile bellies are smooth, not sharp as broken pottery.

In any case, it wouldn't matter because they may be describing dinosaurs and they may not. That's the point! Bama doesn't know!
 
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Orange_Crush said:
A simple reading of the text, without agenda, tells Job to behold Behemoth. It would be hard to behold something that wasn't around any longer.

Then God describes Behemoth's actions in present tense--those things that Job would have seen happening at the time.

And how many times do I have to say it? I haven't said that this is definitive evidence of dinosaurs in the Bible, or a young earth. I'm not trying to prove a young earth because I don't know how old the earth is. I brought them up to make a point about bamawriter's definitive assertion that there are no references to them.

There may not be. There may be. He doesn't really know.

Geez Louise... This isn't that complicated.

You could claim that the text describes a hippo, and I'd say "maybe, maybe not." You could say that the Leviathon describes a crocodile, and I'd point out that crocodile bellies are smooth, not sharp as broken pottery.

In any case, it wouldn't matter because they may be describing dinosaurs and they may not. That's the point! Bama doesn't know!
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So you believe in young earth?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
It's was about 2 quarts of warm liquid when I took it at the shamans retreat in iquitos. Vomited hard after about 20 minutes and then the ride began.

I battled a manifestation of my ego and lost.
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BTW, it's OK to lose to the ego...awareness is 95% of the battle.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Huff, how else do you want me to say, "I don't know"?
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I really don't get the point of you arguing so much about something you don't know about.

I am asking for evidence from the Bible that dinosaurs existed in Old Testament time.

The best thing you can give me is a reference to a scripture from which you conclude, "I don't know".

So I guess I'll just go on assuming that the Bible doesn't claim dinosaurs existed in the old testament.
 
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n_huffhines said:
BTW, it's OK to lose to the ego...awareness is 95% of the battle.
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It was so strange. We engaged in a series of contests and trials. Racing, endurance, sorcery... it ended with a wrestling match. When I came to, I was still under the influence of its half life. I felt battered and bruised. I was cackling uncontrollably before weeping.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I really don't get the point of you arguing so much about something you don't know about.
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Then go back and reread the conversation you jumped into. It was calling into question an explicit and definitive statement that they aren't mentioned.

n_huffhines said:
I am asking for evidence from the Bible that dinosaurs existed in Old Testament time.
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Then you are having a conversation that I wasn't having.

n_huffhines said:
The best thing you can give me is a reference to a scripture from which you conclude, "I don't know".
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No. Actually, the best thing I gave you was "you and bama don't know", so bama should be more careful about his definitive statements.

n_huffhines said:
So I guess I'll just go on assuming that the Bible doesn't claim dinosaurs existed in the old testament.
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You can assume whatever you like. Just don't pass your assumptions along as definitive facts.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Then go back and reread the conversation you jumped into. It was calling into question an explicit and definitive statement that they aren't mentioned.

Then you are having a conversation that I wasn't having.

No. Actually, the best thing I gave you was "you and bama don't know", so bama should be more careful about his definitive statements.

You can assume whatever you like. Just don't pass your assumptions along as definitive facts.
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Do you not understand that the curiosity is, "if dinosaurs existed, why is the old testament not littered with stories of dinosaurs?"

Your response is abstract references to something that could possibly be dinosaurs.

OK. Thanks.
 
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bamawriter said:
I always want to ask a young earther why dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible. All kinds of animals are mentioned, many as threats to people. Yet, no giant lizards. You'd think they'd be important enough to merit at least a passing mention somewhere in scripture.
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I gave possible passing mentions, and a definitive mention of a giant reptile, just as was asked for.

n_huffhines said:
Do you not understand that the curiosity is, "if dinosaurs existed, why is the old testament not littered with stories of dinosaurs?"

Your response is abstract references to something that could possibly be dinosaurs.

OK. Thanks.
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Are you currently on hallucinogens?
 
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