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nbakerld said:
Wait, you are saying this is a dumb trade for Minnesota (that would probably never happen), but that it's evidence Love is overrated?
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It is a dumb trade for Minnesota and they would never do it.

But yes, it also shows he is overrated. Did you see what an NBA GM(paid to evaluate talent) just offered for him AND the #2 pick in the draft? They offered a 31 year old power forward. Was the trade offer stupid? Yes. But it also shows that NBA GM's don't think very highly of him. The fact that they not only think a 31 year old is enough for him but want the 2nd pick of the draft as well, clearly they think very little of him.
 
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#77
#77
The_Orange_Pearl said:
So you know for a fact that a 22.5 year old and a 20 year old will never be good enough to win a championship? Gasol was how old when he won his first championship, 29? Now you expect him to be some world beater at the ass end of his career. Maybe you should wait another decade to make that assumption.
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I know that a revolving door and a tweener aren't going to key a championship run. They might be role players, but that's not going to help the Lakers.

How old is Dirk? How old was KG when acquired by the Celtics? Yeah, you're right; you're basically done at 30.

Again, Love's numbers are more likely to stay on par or improve as he's only 22.5 years old. At 31, Gasol's prime is coming to an end. He isn't going to be dominating at the age of 35. And if getting swept by the Mavs(who are also old) is a strength, then keep your second best player. Like I said, if he's going to let a team sweep him with Kobe in his corner, who the heck on the T'wolves is going to carry his old ass?
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Love's numbers would sure as hell not "stay the same or improve" in LA.

It's funny, because you keep throwing in these "old" references for emphasis or something, but when you're talking about a 30-year-old player who basically carried the Lakers at the beginning of the season, right after a 33-year-old player carried his team to the championship, each one is making you look more and more stupid.

Great strategy, though: "We got swept, so let's just say 'screw it' and make our team worse for fun."
 
#78
#78
VKAman said:
I know that a revolving door and a tweener aren't going to key a championship run. They might be role players, but that's not going to help the Lakers.

How old is Dirk? How old was KG when acquired by the Celtics? Yeah, you're right; you're basically done at 30.



Love's numbers would sure as hell not "stay the same or improve" in LA.

It's funny, because you keep throwing in these "old" references for emphasis or something, but when you're talking about a 30-year-old player who basically carried the Lakers at the beginning of the season, right after a 33-year-old player carried his team to the championship, each one is making you look more and more stupid.

Great strategy, though: "We got swept, so let's just say 'screw it' and make our team worse for fun."
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Dirk - 1 championship. With Terry, Kidd, Marion, Chandler and Barea.
KG - 1 championship. With Pierce, Allen and Rondo, Perkins and Baby.
Gasol - 2 championships. With Kobe, Odom, Bynum, Artest and Fisher.

Dirk and KG were the best player and they've only won 1 championship. Gasol won two while playing with a top 5 player all time and just got swept.

So you're telling me that the last place team in the NBA is going to improve by trading Kevin Love and the #2 pick for the Lakers 2nd best player? And he's not even the 2nd best player on the best team in the NBA. He was the 2nd best player on like the 5th best team in the NBA.

I was being nice but as long as you're calling me stupid... you're brain damaged. You may take the cake for being the biggest, most bias, bandwagon fan I've ever encountered.
 
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#79
#79
I'm sorry but I just can't see where you're coming from.

You think it's a good trade for the T'wolves to trade away what could potentially be their two best players(20 and 22.5 years old) for the Lakers second best player(31 years old).

And this is somehow going to make the T'wolves better than last place. Maybe they'll finish 3rd from last for a year or two.

Or... maybe they can actually make the playoffs as Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Ricky Rubio etc. develop together.
 
#80
#80
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Dirk - 1 championship. With Terry, Kidd, Marion, Chandler and Barea.
KG - 1 championship. With Pierce, Allen and Rondo, Perkins and Baby.
Gasol - 2 championships. With Kobe, Odom, Bynum, Artest and Fisher.

Dirk and KG were the best player and they've only won 1 championship. Gasol won two while playing with playing with a top 5 player all time and just got swept.
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If Perkins stays healthy, KG wins a title at 34...an age at which, according to you, he should have had trouble walking without a cane.

So you're telling me that the last place team in the NBA is going to improve by trading Kevin Love and the #2 pick for the Lakers 2nd best player?
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The teams have different needs. The Timberwolves need quantity because almost everyone on their team sucks, so they would have more use for Williams. But for the Lakers, getting two power forwards who are both worse than the one they have makes zero sense. That's not how you win...

I was being nice but as long as you're calling me stupid... you're brain damaged. You may take the cake for being the biggest, most bias, bandwagon fan I've ever encountered.
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I love Orange Pearl breakdowns. Always entertaining. You might try "Your mom has cooties!" next.
 
#81
#81
The_Orange_Pearl said:
I'm sorry but I just can't see where you're coming from.

You think it's a good trade for the T'wolves to trade away what could potentially be their two best players(20 and 22.5 years old) for the Lakers second best player(31 years old).

And this is somehow going to make the T'wolves better than last place. Maybe they'll finish 3rd from last for a year or two.

Or... maybe they can actually make the playoffs as Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Ricky Rubio etc. develop together.
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It's really not a good trade for either team. Gasol is the player of the three most likely to win you a title, but that's wasted if he goes to Minnesota where they would have absolutely nothing around him.

And develop all they want, the Timberwolves as currently constructed (+Williams) are never going to be serious contenders. A Rubio/Beasley/Love core gets you nowhere.
 
#83
#83
The_Orange_Pearl said:
It is a dumb trade for Minnesota and they would never do it.

But yes, it also shows he is overrated. Did you see what an NBA GM(paid to evaluate talent) just offered for him AND the #2 pick in the draft? They offered a 31 year old power forward. Was the trade offer stupid? Yes. But it also shows that NBA GM's don't think very highly of him. The fact that they not only think a 31 year old is enough for him but want the 2nd pick of the draft as well, clearly they think very little of him.
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But this is business as usual for the Lakers. Divac for Kobe. Kwame for Gasol.
 
#85
#85
Love wouldn't be included in the trade. The trade would be built around #2 pick for Gasol. Neither side will come to an agreement on this
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#86
#86
VKAman said:
So now Gasol is Kwame Brown compared to the great Kevin Love?
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No I actually think Gasol is very good still, but already on the decline and currently not as good as Love. And Kwame was not a horrible player, he was just a horrible #1 pick so he gets undeserved derision. 11 and 9 for his career (per 36) shooting just below average. You can do a lot worse.
 
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#87
VKAman said:
If Perkins stays healthy, KG wins a title at 34...an age at which, according to you, he should have had trouble walking without a cane.
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Your opinions are not fact. You don't know that the Celtics win the championship if they have Perkins. And newsflash... Dirk and KG are better than Gasol. Quit using their success to make Gasol look more attractive. He got swept with Kobe in his corner and Phil Jackson as his coach. They aren't getting any younger and Phil Jackson is gone.

The teams have different needs. The Timberwolves need quantity because almost everyone on their team sucks, so they would have more use for Williams. But for the Lakers, getting two power forwards who are both worse than the one they have makes zero sense. That's not how you win...
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The Lakers window may be closed. You also don't win by keeping old washed up players. Kevin Love is essentially as good as the #1 pick in the draft this year and Derrick Williams is what he is, the #2 pick. Gasol is not worth two top 5 lottery picks no matter how you spin it.

I love Orange Pearl breakdowns. Always entertaining. You might try "Your mom has cooties!" next.
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Says the bandwagon fan who resorted to calling someone stupid because he overrates his own teams players.

At least I understand cheering for a team that has to rebuild. When was the last time you watched the Lakers and Duke rebuild? Never? Even if they do, at least you always have Tennessee and God knows how many other schools/teams to root for. I'm sure one of them is doing alright.
 
#88
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VKAman said:
It's really not a good trade for either team. Gasol is the player of the three most likely to win you a title, but that's wasted if he goes to Minnesota where they would have absolutely nothing around him.

And develop all they want, the Timberwolves as currently constructed (+Williams) are never going to be serious contenders. A Rubio/Beasley/Love core gets you nowhere.
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Based on what???

You do realize Kobe wasn't taken til 13th, right?

12 teams didn't think he'd be as good as he has been and the 13th team traded him for Divac.

I love how you take your opinion as fact.
 
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#89
But for the Lakers, getting two power forwards who are both worse than the one they have makes zero sense. That's not how you win...
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And FWIW, people believe Derrick Williams can play SF as well as PF and Kevin Love can also play center.

So just keep Gasol since you and other Lakers fans value him so highly.. Let the window close without getting two quality young players in return. The T'wolves aren't any better with Gasol than they would be with Love/Williams.

Congrats to Gasol for being better at 31 than they are at 20 and 22/23 years old.

If you're content with one or two more runs at the championship before Kobe and Gasol are done, go for it. That just means you value winning now more than the future. Although I'm not sure Love wouldn't easily make up the difference of Gasol beside Bynum. Bynum can play defense and box out while Love scores and jumps in for easy boards.
 
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#90
#90
Love is a good NBA player, not great. Looking to the future, the Lakers need to trade for a number one guy because Kobe has three years left. I don't think Love is capable of being that guy. Minnesota is in a rebuilding stage and getting a 31 year old post player that is exiting his prime would be a stupid move. Los Angeles has to do the smart thing and go for Howard. They have just two pieces (Odom/Bynum) that are of any value to another NBA team. If they keep Gasol and dump off the other two they will have a pretty good post core. This is an incredibly weak draft. Any player not named Kyrie Irving will have no spot to play for Los Angeles.
 
#91
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Love is a good NBA player, not great. Looking to the future, the Lakers need to trade for a number one guy because Kobe has three years left. I don't think Love is capable of being that guy. Minnesota is in a rebuilding stage and getting a 31 year old post player that is exiting his prime would be a stupid move. Los Angeles has to do the smart thing and go for Howard. They have just two pieces (Odom/Bynum) that are of any value to another NBA team. If they keep Gasol and dump off the other two they will have a pretty good post core. This is an incredibly weak draft. Any player not named Kyrie Irving will have no spot to play for Los Angeles.
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So you like Ron Artest? Derrick Williams would play his position, right?
 
#94
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nbakerld said:
My bad, I just thought you were speaking in terms of needs.
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Guys like Artest and Walton are tied in the books with long term deals while Kobe and Pal are eating up a pretty good chunk, too. It would make no sense to go after anyone unless it's a proven star like Howard is.
 
#95
#95
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Your opinions are not fact. You don't know that the Celtics win the championship if they have Perkins. And newsflash... Dirk and KG are better than Gasol. Quit using their success to make Gasol look more attractive. He got swept with Kobe in his corner and Phil Jackson as his coach. They aren't getting any younger and Phil Jackson is gone.
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They were up 3-2 and on their way to winning Game 6. Plus, if I'm as big a Laker homer as you say I am, it should mean something when I say they likely would have lost.

Dirk can do nothing but score. But yeah, great point again: since they got swept, every single player on the team sucks. They should make their team worse just for the hell of it.

The Lakers window may be closed. You also don't win by keeping old washed up players. Kevin Love is essentially as good as the #1 pick in the draft this year and Derrick Williams is what he is, the #2 pick. Gasol is not worth two top 5 lottery picks no matter how you spin it.
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And now 30 is "washed up." You're really not learning. This draft sucks and Love is still a worse defender than most of the top prospects. Gasol helps the Lakers wayyy more than either of the other two would.

Says the bandwagon fan who resorted to calling someone stupid because he overrates his own teams players.

At least I understand cheering for a team that has to rebuild. When was the last time you watched the Lakers and Duke rebuild? Never? Even if they do, at least you always have Tennessee and God knows how many other schools/teams to root for. I'm sure one of them is doing alright.
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Acting like Gasol is some ancient old man when he's 30 is stupid. Bringing it up over and over again to further highlight the idiocy is even worse. Feel free to find someone who disagrees.

I had forgotten that my allegiance to Duke is part of the basis for your whole "bandwagon fan" whining. That just makes it even funnier. I started following the Lakers when they replaced Shaq, Payton, and Malone with Chucky Atkins, Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm. You're right, that's not rebuilding...it's reloading.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Based on what???

You do realize Kobe wasn't taken til 13th, right?

12 teams didn't think he'd be as good as he has been and the 13th team traded him for Divac.

I love how you take your opinion as fact.
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1. This draft sucks.
2. Kobe came straight from HS. How many high school players were taken ahead of him?
3. This draft sucks. You're really comparing Derrick Williams to Kobe?
 
#97
#97
The_Orange_Pearl said:
And FWIW, people hope Derrick Williams can play SF as well as PF and Kevin Love can also play center.

So just keep Gasol since you and other Lakers fans value him so highly.. Let the window close without getting two quality young players in return. The T'wolves aren't any better with Gasol than they would be with Love/Williams.

Congrats to Gasol for being better at 31 than they are at 20 and 22/23 years old.

If you're content with one or two more runs at the championship before Kobe and Gasol are done, go for it. That just means you value winning now more than the future. Although I'm not sure Love wouldn't easily make up the difference of Gasol beside Bynum. Bynum can play defense and box out while Love scores and jumps in for easy boards.
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Derrick Williams isn't staying in front of the good NBA 3's and Love would make an absolutely terrible center.

And yes, I do value winning now more than not winning in the future. A bunch of average years locked into a contract with a defensive sieve is not appealing to me.
 
#98
#98
The Hawks are looking to trade Josh Smith. They've already proposed a trade to the Celtics:

Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett for Josh Smith & Another player.
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#99
#99
Kingston Vol said:
The Hawks are looking to trade Josh Smith. They've already proposed a trade to the Celtics:

Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett for Josh Smith & Another player.
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Depends on the other player if it would be a good trade or not.
 
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