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#51
#51
nbakerld said:
First of all, I don't really get this logic. It has nothing to do with position or role. TS% tells you how efficiently you put the ball in the basket.

Derrick Rose thinks he's a 3-point shooter. He led the Bulls in attempts (385). Deng (who is actually a good 3-point shooter) only took 333.
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Boozer should make a significantly higher % of 2-point FGs than Rose due to where he plays on the floor. If Rose is a bad 3-point shooter, which he is, there's no reason for Boozer to be behind him in TS%.

Also, the fact that Deng shot better from 3 (24 feet) than Boozer did from 2 (mostly <5 feet) in that series is pretty embarrassing. Point being, Boozer was terrible on both ends of the floor.
 
#52
#52
VKAman said:
Boozer should make a significantly higher % of 2-point FGs than Rose due to where he plays on the floor. If Rose is a bad 3-point shooter, which he is, there's no reason for Boozer to be behind him in TS%.

Also, the fact that Deng shot better from 3 (24 feet) than Boozer did from 2 (mostly <5 feet) in that series is pretty embarrassing. Point being, Boozer was terrible on both ends of the floor.
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Rose is a break-even 3 point shooter (league average from 2 pt is 49%, so break-even from 3 point is 33%).

And the logic still doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if Rose is a good 3 point shooter or not, he should have a much higher TS% if he's a good scorer. So should Boozer. Where they shoot from is completely irrelevant. If Rose is being brought down by missed 3 pointers, he should stop taking them. Until then his shooting efficiency is what it is.
 
#53
#53
Chris Paul for Russell Westbrook. Heard it on PTI. A laugher.
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#56
#56
Sources: Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Clippers talk Andre Iguodala-for-Chris Kaman trade - ESPN

Are the Sixers serious? Why trade a durable guy that can do a little bit of everything for a guy that is too busy doing nothing on the bench? Not to mention, Iguodala is 2 years younger. Hopefully they'd be getting more than just Kaman. Like a 1st round pick or something.

Kaman
03-04 82 games
04-05 63 games
05-06 78 games - 89 including the playoffs
06-07 75 games
07-08 56 games
08-09 31 games
09-10 76 games
10-11 32 games

Iguodala
04-05 82 games - 87 including the playoffs
05-06 82 games
06-07 82 games
07-08 76 games - 82 including the playoffs
08-09 82 games - 88 including the playoffs
09-10 82 games
10-11 67 games - 72 including the playoffs

AI has played at least 82 games every season except for one.

In the last 4 seasons, Kaman has played 195 games out of a potential 328. That's 133 missed games(40.5%).
 
#57
#57
I'd love to see the Bulls move Boozer, but I doubt anyone will want to take on his contract.
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#58
#58
One of the Heat&#8217;s top offseason priorities will be adding a veteran center, and Miami has strong interest in Sacramento free agent Samuel Dalembert. But even if the midlevel exception remains part of the new labor deal (which is undetermined), the Heat knows other teams can offer Dalembert more and would not be surprised if he signs elsewhere.
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Hopefully the Heat aren't able to sign Dalembert. Sadly and I never thought I'd hear myself say this about Samuel Dalembert... I think the addition of Dalembert would put the Heat over the top to win the championship.

Mario Chalmers, Eddie House
Dwayne Wade, Mike Miller
Lebron James, James Jones
Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem
Samuel Dalembert, Joel Anthony

I'm assuming they'd re-sign Bibby but I didn't list him just because he's a free agent. I doubt they want House backing up Chalmers.
 
#61
#61
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Hopefully the Heat aren't able to sign Dalembert. Sadly and I never thought I'd hear myself say this about Samuel Dalembert... I think the addition of Dalembert would put the Heat over the top to win the championship.

Mario Chalmers, Eddie House
Dwayne Wade, Mike Miller
Lebron James, James Jones
Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem
Samuel Dalembert, Joel Anthony

I'm assuming they'd re-sign Bibby but I didn't list him just because he's a free agent. I doubt they want House backing up Chalmers.
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I didn't even realize Dalembert was still in the league. He's good. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Bibby go.
 
#62
#62
nbakerld said:
I didn't even realize Dalembert was still in the league. He's good. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Bibby go.
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I would be because with their cap situation, they can't really sign anyone other than one guy with the mid level exception. Unless they want to sign 2 guys are 2.5-3 million apiece. Because he's already on the roster, they can go over the cap and pay him more than the league/vet minimum. Not like they have to sign him for more than a year or two and they won't be able to afford anyone better. If Chalmers goes down, you're back to playing Wade and Lebron at PG unless you want to play Eddie House. He's more of an undersized shooting guard.
 
#67
#67
Apparently the Lakers offered Gasol for Kevin Love and the #2 pick. lol

That kind of sums up my feelings on Kevin Love being overrated. It also hints to the fact that the Lakers GM is brain damaged. Can't blame him for trying I guess but did he seriously think that was a good offer? If the T'wolves were to do that trade, I might as well quit watching the NBA because dumb teams will continue letting the Lakers rip them off. That is just an awful offer.
 
#68
#68
The Wolves want Gasol. The Lakers are probably trying to get back as much as they can, and speaking of overrated, it's pretty clear by that offer that they value Gasol more than Love.

I can't find anything on Gasol-for-Love-AND-#2 but on everything I find about Gasol-for-Love, people are saying it would be a dumb move for the Lakers because of Love's defense (or lack thereof).
 
#69
#69
Lakers Underground has had some chat on it, but most feel the Lakers would be getting the bad end of the deal.
 
#70
#70
VKAman said:
The Wolves want Gasol. The Lakers are probably trying to get back as much as they can, and speaking of overrated, it's pretty clear by that offer that they value Gasol more than Love.

I can't find anything on Gasol-for-Love-AND-#2 but on everything I find about Gasol-for-Love, people are saying it would be a dumb move for the Lakers because of Love's defense (or lack thereof).
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You don't find anything wrong with it because you're a Lakers fan. You trade away a 31 year old for a 22.5 year old that is coming off 20/15 season in the NBA and a sophomore(20yrs old) coming off a 20/8 season in college.

If the Lakers had the rights to Kevin Love and Derrick Williams, you'd trade them for Pau Gasol?

I'm not even sure I'd trade one of those guys for Gasol if I'm the T'wolves. Gasol isn't exactly a defensive force either.

The Lakers would look like this...

Andrew Bynum
Kevin Love, Lamar Odom(expiring)
Derrick Williams, Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant

or

Andrew Bynum
Kevin Love
Ron Artest, Lamar Odom(expiring)
Kobe Bryant
Brandon Knight

And you only had to trade a 31 year old to set up your team for 3 more championships. Pretty fair.

Just because the T'wolves want Gasol doesn't mean they should trade the Lakers whatever they want. Gasol isn't putting the T'wolves over the top for a championship and they could get more for Kevin Love/Derrick Williams than Pau Gasol.
 
#71
#71
TennesseeFan07 said:
Lakers Underground has had some chat on it, but most feel the Lakers would be getting the bad end of the deal.
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They should stop watching the NBA then.

If he's getting swept with Kobe in his corner, he sure as heck isn't winning with the T'wolves. Not to mention, Gasol turns 31 on July 6th which gives him how many more years to be a quality player? 3 years? 4 years?

I'd totally trade a 31 year old for a 22.5 year old all-star big man and a #2 pick that's also a big man.

Lakers might not win again if the Mavs sweep was any indication. I'd rather build for the future. If you replace Gasol with Love, the Lakers could still win anyways, plus they'd get the #2 pick. That's absurd.
 
#72
#72
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Lakers might not win again if the Mavs sweep was any indication. I'd rather build for the future. If you replace Gasol with Love, the Lakers could still win anyways, plus they'd get the #2 pick. That's absurd.
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If by "winning" you mean "Steve Nash-style winning where you never actually win anything," then sure.
 
#73
#73
The_Orange_Pearl said:
You don't find anything wrong with it because you're a Lakers fan. You trade away a 31 year old for a 22.5 year old that is coming off 20/15 season in the NBA and a sophomore(20yrs old) coming off a 20/8 season in college.
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It has nothing to do with me liking the Lakers. You were acting like they wanted Love and were just throwing out an offer for the hell of it. In reality, it's the T'Wolves who want Gasol, maybe even to replace Love, and the Lakers are starting off with their highest demands first. That's how you negotiate.

If the Lakers had the rights to Kevin Love and Derrick Williams, you'd trade them for Pau Gasol?

I'm not even sure I'd trade one of those guys for Gasol if I'm the T'wolves. Gasol isn't exactly a defensive force either.
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You should stop watching the NBA then. Which one of those three guys has ever been or will ever be good enough to be the second-best player on a championship team?

And you only had to trade a 31 year old to set up your team for 3 more championships. Pretty fair.
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Sure, if by 3 you mean 0. Turning a strength into a weakness is certainly the fast track to success.
 
#74
#74
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Apparently the Lakers offered Gasol for Kevin Love and the #2 pick. lol

That kind of sums up my feelings on Kevin Love being overrated. It also hints to the fact that the Lakers GM is brain damaged. Can't blame him for trying I guess but did he seriously think that was a good offer? If the T'wolves were to do that trade, I might as well quit watching the NBA because dumb teams will continue letting the Lakers rip them off. That is just an awful offer.
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Wait, you are saying this is a dumb trade for Minnesota (that would probably never happen), but that it's evidence Love is overrated?
 
#75
#75
VKAman said:
You should stop watching the NBA then. Which one of those three guys has ever been or will ever be good enough to be the second-best player on a championship team?
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So you know for a fact that a 22.5 year old and a 20 year old will never be good enough to win a championship? Gasol was how old when he won his first championship, 29? Now you expect him to be some world beater at the ass end of his career. Maybe you should wait another decade to make that assumption.

Sure, if by 3 you mean 0. Turning a strength into a weakness is certainly the fast track to success.
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Again, Love's numbers are more likely to stay on par or improve as he's only 22.5 years old. At 31, Gasol's prime is coming to an end. He isn't going to be dominating at the age of 35. And if getting swept by the Mavs(who are also old) is a strength, then keep your second best player. Like I said, if he's going to let a team sweep him with Kobe in his corner, who the heck on the T'wolves is going to carry his old ass?
 
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