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I think Fulmer learned a good lesson that bowl game. The team seemed to take a very lackadaisical approach, almost like it was a "reward" game. I kept seeing the team on the news taking tours, going to amusement parks etc.I’m not trying to hate on our team or anything they had a good year. But we only scored 13 vs Penn State with Heath freaking Shuler at QB also should have beaten Florida. We underachieved a little that year
No. Not even close. You could argue Tony Robinson maybe and possibly Jimmy Streater. Clausen was very good but not on Shuler's level. Dobbs was good but no where close to Shuler. Bray is not even worth mentioning. Andy Kelly was a better QB at TN than Ainge. Ainge was not bad but not worth even being discussed when talking about the top 5.Manning, Clausen, Bray, and Dobbs were all better and Holloway and Ainge were up there as well
I get that they played in different offenses, but a guy wins the Heisman and out rushes you by 2000+ yards....well maybe we use the phrase "a poor man's" differently.
Tony Robinson was a better athlete than Heath. T-Rob was a freak of nature.. Manning was the Best QB to ever come through the system though.
It was tough to watch. Turner’s inability to adjust to his talent was ridiculous. With the right OC, Shuler could’ve had a long successful NFL career. A Greg Roman, Ravens type offense, with his arm, would have been fun to watch. Instead, Turner wanted statues in the pocket like Phillip Rivers.I've had a couple chances to have conversations with Heath (no we're not friends, it's unlikely he'd even remember my name).
He made no bones about it, he stunk it up in Washington and he struggled to do what Turner wanted him to do.
His thing was, he didn't understand why the Skins even wanted him. Turner was adamant he never leave the pocket, never extend a play, everything was timing, etc. He said a couple times in practice his protection broke down, he scrambled a bit and threw a touchdown...and Turner yelled at him and made them run the play over. He'd rather him throw it away than break the pocket and make a play.
People say "he should have come back" and maybe that's true but who knows. The next year Kerry Collins and Steve McNair were high picks. The year Shuler opted to go was a weak year for QBs in the draft.
I think a lot of people discredit Heath because:
He hurt their feelings by not coming back his Sr year (but I contend that if Colquitt stayed heathy we only lose 1 game that year)
He was a bust in the NFL. So was Tebow and countless others. The logic is weird... was Pat Ryan a better college QB than Tebow because he was able to stay on the Jets roster for a decade plus at a low salary?
And lastly...well I won't open that can of worms here.
One thing he did say is that when the Raiders picked him up in 1999, he felt so comfortable in Gruden's system. He said he finally felt "at home" in that type of offense and loved it. No, he wouldn't have beaten out Rich Gannon, but he certainly could have made the roster and extended his career. Who knows what could have happened, but he was tackled in a pre-season game and dislocated/tore tendons on every toe on one foot. I saw him years later (guessing it was 2-3 years) and he still walked with a noticeable limp at that time.
Bray would’ve led every UT QB stat in history with one more season. Streater? Jesus this when people think with their hearts and nostalgia instead of actual facts and stats. This is how idiots think Larry Seviers is better than Carl Pickens.No. Not even close. You could argue Tony Robinson maybe and possibly Jimmy Streater. Clausen was very good but not on Shuler's level. Dobbs was good but no where close to Shuler. Bray is not even worth mentioning. Andy Kelly was a better QB at TN than Ainge. Ainge was not bad but not worth even being discussed when talking about the top 5.
Manning, Shuler, and then Robinson are the top 3 IMO. I'm not old enough to have seen Streater play though. Many older than me would put him in that list as well.
Good list. So that puts HS in your top 5 questionably. I'd put him at 2 w the next 3 close behind.
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Hooker will be better too
I think comparing Shuler to someone like Bray is a tough comparison.
Shuler had 500 attempts in his career, Bray had 450 attempts in a season.
Both had a similar QBR, y/a. Shuler had a better comp% and better TD to INT ratio.
Our schedule was weak. Louisville at 9-3 had the best record of any team we beat
Bray would’ve led every UT QB stat in history with one more season. Streater? Jesus this when people think with their hearts and nostalgia instead of actual facts and stats. This is how idiots think Larry Seviers is better than Carl Pickens.
Clausen was better than Shuler except as a rusher. Had more actual big wins. Better stats. Better leader. And to say Kelly was better than Ainge shows you need to review the stats again
I really miss those days!I had a autographed Heath shuler framed picture of him diving into the end zone against Louisville in 1993. I was a big fan of his as a kid even got a Redskin game jersey of his well that didn’t work out too well but Heath was a dynamic QB for us he should’ve stayed his senior year though. The 90’s were so good to us with great QBs we had Andy Kelley then Shuler then Manning and then Tee bringing home the national championship.
Except for rushing TDs which was Shuler’s best attribute even if came against a very weak schedule compared to other UT greats, his stats weren’t that different from even Crompton or JG. Shuler was a good QB but he in no way was the 2nd best QB here not even close. He was an athlete who couldn’t read defenses well look at his drop off vs any team with a pulse. He beat Florida and UGA but that was it and if he had stayed one more year maybe he would’ve been better but he made the bad choice to go pro and it proved to be a bust disaster.Shuler’s QB rating at UT was considerably better than Clausen’s. This despite Clausen having Stallworth, Kelley Washington, and Witten to throw to simultaneously.
Clausen should have had more “big wins” than Shuler. He started 44 games vs 24 games for Shuler. Their W/L % was virtually identical, both at 77%.
Shuler ran for 15 TDs, and ran over UGA and UF defenders to help win big games. (Too bad RPO offense wasn’t developed in 1992-93.)
Clausen a better leader than Shuler? Shuler’s teammates loved him. NFL scouts really liked Shuler’s leadership traits as well. Clausen wasn’t drafted.
I LOVED Clausen’s contributions at UT. I just feel the need to pitch for Shuler in comparison. And we know how NFL scouts and Heisman voters compared the two.