NASCAR bans the confederate flag

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clarksvol00 said:
I never said the NFL could prohibit kneeling at an MLB game or anything similar. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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I'm not trying to make any point other than answering your question in a thorough manner. You asked the question.

What point are you trying to make?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
So the issue is that you dont like NASCAR prohibiting Confederate flags, even though NASCAR is allowed to do so? If that's the case you seem kind of triggered.
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I'm here to give my opinion. Isn't that what we do around here? Isn't that what this forum is all about? I don't think doing exactly that qualifies one as triggered. There are all kinds of things in life that I don't agree with but are also perfectly legal when it comes to the law
 
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clarksvol00 said:
So the issue is that you dont like NASCAR prohibiting Confederate flags, even though NASCAR is allowed to do so? If that's the case you seem kind of triggered.
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I'm here to give my opinion. Isn't that what we do around here? Isn't that what this forum is all about. I don't think doing exactly that qualifies one as triggered. There are all kinds of things in life that I don't agree with but are also perfectly legal when it comes to the law
CagleMtnVol said:
Well put!
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I second that. Simply put, the Confederate flag doesn't necessarily mean that one agrees with slavery. This point is being lost on a national level in this debate. I encourage Southerners to step up and articulate their point of view and regional pride on this subject. Otherwise the media and woke liberals will drown you out
 
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Sea Ray said:
It's open to the public. It's not a private club. But that's a side issue. Whether it's privately owned or rented from the event, I don't like folks controlling free speech. I'm kinda libertarian in that matter
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A Libertarian (I know they are jokes) would fully support a property owner setting the rules for their property.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm just curious if they'll actually turn people away over this. You know people will push it. And if they do turn people away, will we see lawsuits over refunding ticket prices? It'll be interesting if the courts get pulled in.
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NASCAR will do nothing except work with the TV broadcast to not show the stands. The first race with fans back in the stands will be flooded with flags and they know it, they'll just work not to show it.
 
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hog88 said:
A Libertarian (I know they are jokes) would fully support a property owner setting the rules for their property.
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I disagree. All a libertarian wants is for the government not to be involved...and that's not in question here. Furthermore NASCAR for the most part does not own these racetracks...so your analogy also doesn't apply. Libertarians don't support banning symbols of free speech because somebody is offended
 
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Do all black people find the confederate flag oppressive or offensive?

Serious question. Has this been a question in a poll?
 
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I wonder how nascar is going to push this on tracks they do not own?

Would be funny to see a track right before a race close because they disagree with nascar. Would make for great tv.
 
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hog88 said:
A Libertarian (I know they are jokes) would fully support a property owner setting the rules for their property.
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I saw something that I thought was funny...... It said a libertarian is just a republican that likes to smoke pot.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I disagree. All a libertarian wants is for the government not to be involved...and that's not in question here. Furthermore NASCAR for the most part does not own these racetracks...so your analogy also doesn't apply. Libertarians don't support banning symbols of free speech because somebody is offended
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ISC owns most of the tracks and ISC is owned by NASCAR Holdings. All are private property unlike the majority of NFL, NBA and MLB facilities which are publicly owned. I don't think there are any publicly financed or owned tracks that NASCAR races on.

Maybe I don't understand what Libertarians stand for (most Libertarians don't either) but as a conservative I believe a private property owner has the right to set the rules on their property and if you want to visit that property you should respect those rules.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I wonder how nascar is going to push this on tracks they do not own?

Would be funny to see a track right before a race close because they disagree with nascar. Would make for great tv.
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Simple, they just threaten to pull the race.
 
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hog88 said:
ISC owns most of the tracks and ISC is owned by NASCAR Holdings. All are private property unlike the majority of NFL, NBA and MLB facilities which are publicly owned. I don't think there are any publicly financed or owned tracks that NASCAR races on.

Maybe I don't understand what Libertarians stand for (most Libertarians don't either) but as a conservative I believe a private property owner has the right to set the rules on their property and if you want to visit that property you should respect those rules.
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This isn't about rights. Nobody is saying that anyone's rights are violated here. No one is saying that there's a Constitutional or other law issue. But just because it's legal doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.

You sound like my ex-wife:

"I have the right to go out dancing without you and leave my wedding ring on the counter at home"

"I have the right to go back to my maiden name after several yrs of marriage"

Sure, she has those rights but it doesn't mean that those were good decisions on her part if she wants good relations with her husband. A few yrs ago she married husband #4. I was #1.

As for NASCAR, yes they have every right to ban flags but it doesn't mean that it's a good decision, particularly if they want good relations with their fans.
 
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hog88 said:
ISC owns most of the tracks and ISC is owned by NASCAR Holdings. All are private property unlike the majority of NFL, NBA and MLB facilities which are publicly owned. I don't think there are any publicly financed or owned tracks that NASCAR races on.

Maybe I don't understand what Libertarians stand for (most Libertarians don't either) but as a conservative I believe a private property owner has the right to set the rules on their property and if you want to visit that property you should respect those rules.
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Are you sure about that? I'll be the first to say that I don't follow NASCAR but the one closest to me is not owned by ISC. It's owned by Speedway Motorsports LLC. I see here that they own 9 tracks:

Speedway Motorsports - Wikipedia

I wonder how Bruton Smith feels about this
 
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Sea Ray said:
This isn't about rights. Nobody is saying that anyone's rights are violated here. No one is saying that there's a Constitutional or other law issue. But just because it's legal doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.

You sound like my ex-wife:

"I have the right to go out dancing without you and leave my wedding ring on the counter at home"

"I have the right to go back to my maiden name after several yrs of marriage"

Sure, she has those rights but it doesn't mean that those were good decisions on her part if she wants good relations with her husband. A few yrs ago she married husband #4. I was #1.

As for NASCAR, yes they have every right to ban flags but it doesn't mean that it's a good decision, particularly if they want good relations with their fans.
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Come on dude, that's some Luther level confabulation right there.

This has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's all about business making decisions on what they think is best for their stake holders. My guess is that NASCAR again has made the wrong decision.
 
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hog88 said:
Come on dude, that's some Luther level confabulation right there.

This has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's all about business making decisions on what they think is best for their stake holders. My guess is that NASCAR again has made the wrong decision.
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I agree with your bottom line there
 
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hog88 said:
If he wants to hold NASCAR sanctioned events I guess he'll deal with it.
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I don't know if he wants to take on this fight but he does wield lots of power. There aren't another 8 or 9 venues NASCAR can use that are comparable.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I don't know if he wants to take on this fight but he does wield lots of power. There aren't another 8 or 9 venues NASCAR can use that are comparable.
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There's not but in today's business climate it would be stupid to take a pro confederate flag stand.
 
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