Much respect for CJP for finishing what he started.

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jakez4ut said:
it's a fact you keep saying that. it is not a fact that you've established any negative effects to TN because of these two games.
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Your point is everything is in top shape and there is nothing for him to do right now.

If that isn't your point, then he should be here.

Not compicated.
 
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tbones0711 said:
No.....they have to be on campus to be in UT's S&C program. Many, (a whopping large %), are currently enjoying the Holidays with family members. Is that your only bullet ? Digging pretty deep to come up with another answer, I suppose.
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No one has access to a gym? Why do recruits say they are given programs yet are not on campus? Face it, the weak are getting weaker
 
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jakez4ut said:
you don't have to be in Knoxville do do any of that, and i'd reckon he probably has all that anyway.

the program is not sitting still. it's not like there's a whole staff of people sitting in an office making paper airplanes, playing paper football, waiting on CJP to come back to work so they'll have some direction and be able to do anything.

this picture you paint, "if you're not getting better, you're getting worse" is just not fact based, given the time of year it is, and really, what is truly going on.

students are on winter break, some players aren't even on campus. you can't actively recruit.

the only thing that is being missed right now is the S&C, and i'm not sure how active that would be during winter break anyway.

he's hired all but 2 positions on the staff, they signed 14 prospects for the ESD.

and the rest of the staff is actively sending scholarship offers to prospects almost daily....so there's plenty of evaluating going on.

but, again, you get to believe what you want. and if you want to believe we're getting worse by the day........that's cool.:thumbsup:
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utvolpj said:
I've given a good reason that you and Jake have skipped multiple times. His staff is incomplete in major areas
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i haven't ignored anything. i posted this several pages back (w/out prompt from you) regarding the S&C.

i responded directly to your point about it.

and i still don't know how big a deal it is during winter break to not have an S&C coach.

and if we get a big time S&c coach after the playoff, would that still not be best case scenario long term, regardless of what has been missed in the last 3 weeks off season conditioning program?
 
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allvol123 said:
Your point is everything is in top shape and there is nothing for him to do right now.

If that isn't your point, then he should be here.

Not compicated.
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that's not my point. and not even close to what i've said.

i've said it's not as big a deal as you think it is....and given you plenty of logical reasons why i think so.

you said organizational philosophy......priorities......standards.....

which could mean anything to anyone depending on how one decides to use them, as evidenced by the way you've chosen to.
 
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Our program hasn't had anything to be excited about in forever. We've been to a point where the turf looking nice inside Neyland is reason for excitement. That's how low we've been....excited about grass. I hate CJP coaching for Bama. I really really hate it.
But surely you can see that he knows football and just the possibility that our defense can look anything close to what we saw last night gives you some optimism? Surely you can watch him on the sidelines and listen to him talk to the press and watch how he's gone about things since being announced and see that when you look at the whole picture, there's something to be optimistic about? I'm not saying crown him as the greatest coach in our history or anything like that , but the potential is there. He's forgotten more about football than the last 2 guys we hired will ever know. I'd bet the farm on that.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that's not my point. and not even close to what i've said.

i've said it's not as big a deal as you think it is....and given you plenty of logical reasons why i think so.

you said organizational philosophy......priorities......standards.....

which could mean anything to anyone depending on how one decides to use them, as evidenced by the way you've chosen to.
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I was proposing it as the hypothetical, not as what you said.

Ut is either better off with him here full time or part time.

I say full time and no one can argue that. Given That, there is no reason to defend the part time bs.
 
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There is no way that what he is doing will be bad for UT. He is working his butt off. If they win next week (which they probably will) it will pay dividends for Tennessee come February 7.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i haven't ignored anything. i posted this several pages back (w/out prompt from you) regarding the S&C.

i responded directly to your point about it.

and i still don't know how big a deal it is during winter break to not have an S&C coach.

and if we get a big time S&c coach after the playoff, would that still not be best case scenario long term, regardless of what has been missed in the last 3 weeks off season conditioning program?
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This. Especially when you consider that the players that aren't motivated to do things on their own knowing that they are starting with a blank slate with a new coach are probably the same players that will no longer be with the program by the time fall practice rolls around anyways
 
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Everything is going to be fine. Doyle is going to have the band back together by fall, he's laying down some rules for the boy, telling the fairy to butt out, and letting Karl know not to come around anymore. The new year is going to be much different. Just let Doyle get the band back together. You'll see. :rock:
 
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utvolpj said:
Our players were some of the weakest and worst conditioned in the conference. They have likely gone over a month without being told to work out. Even when they were told last season we saw the results. Getting them in shape for spring should be a top priority but is pretty hard to do from Tuscaloosa. When you start behind everyone else it doesn't help to take some time off

Is that not a tangible enough reason for you?
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Cmon man. I usually follow and agree with your posts but this is getting ridiculous. Pruitt does have staff on site, meeting with admin and players and I'm sure in daily contact with those folks. If you don't like something, say so. Fine. The dice are laying as played. Pruitt will be back next week. It won't matter squat in the big scheme of things. If players are not working out, they need to hit the road and give up those schollys.
 
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utvolpj said:
Pruitt actually has a bigger job which involves hiring a s&c coach. He has yet to do that. Who is currently managing the off season conditioning program?
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I'll admit that I am not privy to the inner workings of a major college football program, but I seriously doubt Pruitt would be managing it if he were there. He would delegate that to someone else.

It's Christmas break and I hope most of the players are at home with their families right now. Some of the more self motivated players have probably hit their hometown gym at least once a week while they are at home.

This just isn't that big of a deal right now. Exams were over on the 15th of Dec. Most players, since there was no bowl game to prepare for, probably headed home for the holidays. Classes don't start back until the 10th of January so they will be trickling back into Knoxville this week and over the weekend. Championship game is the 8th, Pruitt back on the 9th.

Everyone just needs to take a breath. Pruitt not being here for a couple of weeks is not going to be the difference in UT winning the East or not next season.:hi:
 
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allvol123 said:
And Ut could have hired a goat and you would devote unfettered allegiance to it.
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you have no idea what you're talking about. but you know that already because of our past conversations on CBJ.

of course, the same could be said, about you...it won't matter who we hire, you'd hate him from the word jump just be the contrarian on the off chance you'd be right so in 3 years you could say "i told you so".

talk about BVS and having low expectations. you have the lowest expectations of anyone on this board....no one gets a freaking chance, they're all doomed for failure, and everyone sucks.

and that's just how it is.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
If you don't like something, say so.
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What have I been doing?? Hopefully this is clear enough

I don't like that the head coach of the University of Tennessee put his responsibilities on hold to help the University of Alabama win another national title.
 
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allvol123 said:
I was proposing it as the hypothetical, not as what you said.

Ut is either better off with him here full time or part time.

I say full time and no one can argue that. Given That, there is no reason to defend the part time bs.
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well it's not hypothetical, it's the reality. he is p/t for now.

and it's still not as big a deal as you think it is, hypothetical or not.

no one would rather him him be part time. if that's the hypothetical you're operating from, then....no freaking wonder. duh.
 
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jakez4ut said:
you have no idea what you're talking about. but you know that already because of our past conversations on CBJ.

of course, the same could be said, about you...it won't matter who we hire, you'd hate him from the word jump just be the contrarian on the off chance you'd be right so in 3 years you could say "i told you so".

talk about BVS and having low expectations. you have the lowest expectations of anyone on this board....no one gets a freaking chance, they're all doomed for failure, and everyone sucks.

and that's just how it is.
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Do better. This is the only thing I have criticized him on and I have praised his recruiting.

You just displayed a classic symptom of the blind followers on here.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
Totally illogical assumption...got any shred of proof?
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You mean besides the fact that they were already the weakest and worst conditioned team in the sec even when they had a full time s&c coach? There are at least 8 shreds of proof from 2017 you can probably find on YouTube if you can stomach it
 
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utvolpj said:
They were in December and should have goals/programs over the break. They have nothing and are likely getting worse over the break
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Unless you have inside information, you don't know that they were not given instructions and goals to work on over the break. The sky isn't falling man. Ease up.
 
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stevenrich2003 said:
Volnation,

I know that CJP has caught a ton of crap over staying at BAMA to finish their season and coming here full time since he was introduced. I personally do not feal that way. I really respect that CJP decided to finish what he started with the kids he recruited. I think this is going to mean something to a top recruit in the years to come. That his family can believe what he is saying because he is a man of character. I don't expect him to win a natty within 2 years here but I do expect him to do what he says and bring my beloved university back to its place among the top programs in the country.

I don't want BAMA to win ever but I am not stupid and the level of success the program has had is unbelievable. If we can take some of that and mulitilpy it here in KTown we are going to be in business.

I love my vols forever.
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I really don't know how to feal about this.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well it's not hypothetical, it's the reality. he is p/t for now.

and it's still not as big a deal as you think it is, hypothetical or not.

no one would rather him him be part time. if that's the hypothetical you're operating from, then....no freaking wonder. duh.
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It is the scenario he chose.
 
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