'24 MS DL Kamarion Franklin (Ole Miss commit)

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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
Skill position offensive players are a lot different than big guys in the trenches. When you look at the OL/DL (which is where Georgia beat us) that are first round draft picks they are oftentimes guys that were top 10 at their position coming out of HS. There are the exceptions like Jordan Davis, but usually highly projected guys in the trenches coming out of college were also highly rated guys coming out of HS. Players in the trenches usually don’t emerge their senior season or get overlooked like the Justin Jeffersons and Qhinshon Judkins of the world do. Which is why landing guys like this and Ross, Okoye, Easley, and Calhoun are so important. As far as Ify goes he looks to be a natural in coverage and with the verdict still out on whether Martinez can evaluate develop guys we need a corner that has already shown he’s capable of playing man coverage where we don’t have to wait and see if he can be developed into that
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That's a bigger bunch of hogwash than you started out with. OL and DL are harder to predict than the skill positions... not easier. Very few college level OLs and DLs play competition in HS that can show how good they are. OLs in particular are very hard to evaluate.

There are a handful in the whole country that both have the talent and play against good enough competition to show themselves. The rest come much closer to guesses than predictions. There are bunches of kids with size and power. There are bunches with all the physical traits. There are many more with all the traits to be elite except bulk. There are a very small number of "sure bets" among HS OL/DL.

RB is probably the easiest position to evaluate. The skills are mostly transferrable. The skill positions generally are easier to evaluate because measurable things are more important.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's a bigger bunch of hogwash than you started out with. OL and DL are harder to predict than the skill positions... not easier. Very few college level OLs and DLs play competition in HS that can show how good they are. OLs in particular are very hard to evaluate.

There are a handful in the whole country that both have the talent and play against good enough competition to show themselves. The rest come much closer to guesses than predictions. There are bunches of kids with size and power. There are bunches with all the physical traits. There are many more with all the traits to be elite except bulk. There are a very small number of "sure bets" among HS OL/DL.

RB is probably the easiest position to evaluate. The skills are mostly transferrable. The skill positions generally are easier to evaluate because measurable things are more important.
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You’re a fool or just looking to argue if you can’t realize that the top 5-10 linemen drafted on both sides of the ball we’re almost always top 5-10 at their positions coming out of HS or JUCO too. Sure there are guys that are solid that end up playing in the NFL that might’ve been 3 or low 4 stars out of HS, but the difference makers weren’t. Trey Smith, the Bosa Brothers, Myles Garrett, Darnell Wright, Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Paris Johnson, Chase Young, Evan Neal, Quay Walker, Micah Parsons, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Clowney, Broderick Jones I could go on and on. The impact players in the trenches are almost always impact players in HS. Could we get it done with the Matthew Butlers and Byron Youngs of the world? Potentially, but with us having a DL coach with the pedigree of Rodney Garner and what Elarbee was able to do this past season in building up our OL and giving a 5* like Darnell Wright the polish needed to be the best OT in the SEC there’s no reason to believe we can’t build a stacked line on both sides of the ball. In reality that starts by landing the aforementioned studs that I claimed were “must gets”
 
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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
You’re a fool or just looking to argue if you can’t realize that the top 5-10 linemen drafted on both sides of the ball we’re almost always top 5-10 at their positions coming out of HS or JUCO too.
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Well, let's see. A "fool" who has facts.

Ekwonu was the top OT taken last year- 3*. Neal and Cross were 2nd and 3rd- 5*. Trevor Penning was 4th- 0*. Tyler Smith of Tulsa was 5th- 3*.

Kenyon Green was the top OG- 5*. Zion Johnson was 2nd- 0*. Cole Strange a Knoxville native was 3rd- 3*. Luke Goedeke was 4th- 0*. Ingram was 5th- 4*.

I could go on but I think that's enough to demonstrate who the "fool" is.

Sure there are guys that are solid that end up playing in the NFL that might’ve been 3 or low 4 stars out of HS, but the difference makers weren’t. Trey Smith, the Bosa Brothers, Myles Garrett, Darnell Wright, Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Paris Johnson, Chase Young, Evan Neal, Quay Walker, Micah Parsons, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Clowney, Broderick Jones I could go on and on. The impact players in the trenches are almost always impact players in HS. Could we get it done with the Matthew Butlers and Byron Youngs of the world? Potentially, but with us having a DL coach with the pedigree of Rodney Garner and what Elarbee was able to do this past season in building up our OL and giving a 5* like Darnell Wright the polish needed to be the best OT in the SEC there’s no reason to believe we can’t build a stacked line on both sides of the ball. In reality that starts by landing the aforementioned studs that I claimed were “must gets”
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Generally speaking the players given 5* have elite physical talent. About 60% of those guys will be drafted. Others were either overrated or got injured or washed out for some other reason. That 60% amounts to about 20 players total and maybe 4-6 OLs and maybe 10 linemen total.

You are a fool if you think you are going to lift your program focusing primarily on the guys everyone is chasing to include Saban, Smart, Day, and Swinney. You will be fortunate if you get one of those guys in a cycle. Most teams get none.

It is accurate to say that the recruiting sites are somewhat accurate on the guys they award 5*. Honestly though... if they were as accurate as some of you believe almost all would be drafted unless injured. They are far less accurate RE 4*. There was only one former 4* who was taken among the first 5 OTs and OGs. There were three 0*.

OL is a very difficult position for recruiting sites to evaluate. It isn't easy for coaches who are much better than journalists.

So you are wrong. You aren't partially wrong or somewhat right. You are completely wrong. If Heupel were recruiting in the year these guys entered college then the Vols would have had a MUCH better OL with those 3* and 0* players. Since there are only going to be 6-8 OL 5* in any particular class with 4-5 playing well enough to eventually be drafted... and some of them 5* just because Saban loved them... you just aren't going to get the talent you need without knowing a lot more about OL/DL talent than the recruiting sites do.

That's why guys like you think the sky is falling when UT signs kids like Duncan, Bussell, or Robinson. I don't.

A long time ago Fulmer or someone said that you don't recruit OLs as much as you build them. They have to have the basic talent but so much of what makes an OL great cannot be easily measured.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
We got a coach on the D line that is building it right. After this year nobody except trolls or idiots will question what he is developing. GBO!
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He's a pretty amazing guy. The leadership put a task in front of him and he made it happen. They rotated 12+ guys last fall. Considering what he had to work with when he arrived... that's pretty incredible.
 
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From Rivals:

A big bunch of schools continue to be in the mix for Franklin as Ole Miss and Mississippi State cannot be counted out for the Lake Cormorant, Miss., standout.

Alabama is absolutely one of the teams in contention and the Crimson Tide could have a slight edge right now. Tennessee is definitely a serious contender as is Texas A&M. Texas is staying involved and Franklin loved a recent visit to Miami as the Hurricanes made him feel like a top priority.

Oregon and Ohio State have also offered so that could be something to watch. This one also feels like a recruitment that is in the early stages.

Prediction: Alabama
 
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valoisvol said:
What happened to he loves coach G
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Hard to fault them for picking Bama. Historically they win these battles. We need to win big this season though and start to change that. Joining the volunteer club to give Spyre more NIL money would help too. We have one thing that most schools in the SEC don’t. Besides maybe Georgia, and that’s a marketable brand with a massive fanbase that is heavily invested. Bama may have a lot of bandwagon fans, but they don’t have 100s of thousands of fans that are hungry for success like we do. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t have 10-15 million in NIL funds from smaller donors alone. After all people paid 50-60 bucks a ticket to watch Dooley and Butch Jones coached teams. What’s 60 bucks a year to land even better recruits than we’re landing now?
 
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Predicting where this kid ends up now, is like predicting the NCAA tournament champ when the bracket is released. You can maybe narrow it down to a group of teams, and he could end up at any of them. Long way to go with this kid.

I think us, Alabama, Ole Miss, Miami, Florida St, Auburn, and a couple other teams are all legit contenders.
 
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justinvol88 said:
Predicting where this kid ends up now, is like predicting the NCAA tournament champ when the bracket is released. You can maybe narrow it down to a group of teams, and he could end up at any of them. Long way to go with this kid.

I think us, Alabama, Ole Miss, Miami, Florida St, Auburn, and a couple other teams are all legit contenders.
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So Kamarion’s gonna be a Vol?
 
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Historically, it's tough to beat the Gumps for premier Mississippi talent. UT needs to have another great season. He can then choose whether he wants to be part of restoring a historical power or he could choose to play for an old man that has all the joy of a North Korean penal colony.
 
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onevol74 said:
I totally agree. Would rather have a 3 star who is wanting to make a name for himself than a 5 star who is going to come here and put forth half of the effort. That is what is wrong with our BB team. We have too much talent and not enough effort.
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Nobody gets rated a five star who puts out half effort.
 
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onevol74 said:
I totally agree. Would rather have a 3 star who is wanting to make a name for himself than a 5 star who is going to come here and put forth half of the effort. That is what is wrong with our BB team. We have too much talent and not enough effort.
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When a basketball team's primary issue is that it can't put the ball through the net, it doesn't have too much talent.
 
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Hyperion said:
Historically, it's tough to beat the Gumps for premier Mississippi talent. UT needs to have another great season. He can then choose whether he wants to be part of restoring a historical power or he could choose to play for an old man that has all the joy of a North Korean penal colony.
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All the Sip is belong to us!
 
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drvenner said:
Nobody is a must get
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If you want to compete for championships and compete for them sooner rather than later certain caliber players absolutely are. People need to realize that 10-2 is the standard now and that going forward conference and national championships are the next step. To do that our roster needs to look like Georgia’s and to get our roster to look like Georgia’s we need to land those players. Or at least other guys their caliber
 
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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
If you want to compete for championships and compete for them sooner rather than later certain caliber players absolutely are. People need to realize that 10-2 is the standard now and that going forward conference and national championships are the next step. To do that our roster needs to look like Georgia’s and to get our roster to look like Georgia’s we need to land those players. Or at least other guys their caliber
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So you're admitting that he was correct. "Nobody is a must get".
 
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onevol74 said:
I totally agree. Would rather have a 3 star who is wanting to make a name for himself than a 5 star who is going to come here and put forth half of the effort. That is what is wrong with our BB team. We have too much talent and not enough effort.
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I’m only replying to this because I saw someone else did, and never saw it. The basketball team is not as talented as everyone loves to think it is. The combo of Vescovi and Key was the most unathletic duo of guards in the tourney. Neither can create their shot. We were the only team I saw that could not drive and kick, it was pitiful. Every single guy on FAU could. Where are they at in the rankings? Obviously the loss of Zakai was huge, but we absolutely do not have Bama or Arky talent. Not close. I don’t care what the rankings say
 
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Vol423 said:
So you're admitting that he was correct. "Nobody is a must get".
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When those are the only guys at those particular positions of that caliber that we have a shot at landing they are absolutely must gets. Could we potentially land the next Jordan Davis, Derek Barnett, or Cameron Sutton that flys a little under the radar? Perhaps, but those guys could also just be another average 3-4 star that doesn’t amount to much like most of the 3 and 4 stars we’ve gotten have turned out to be
 
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