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clarksvol00 said:
Cause the boomers have done such a great job for us over the last fifty years?
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Some of you have convinced yourselves that all the world's woes are generational. I got news for you; you can't define change by a generation itself. If so, then you would be able to control the people of your generation who become members of congress and those who decide how universities and lower levels of education operate. You would be able to influence those of your generation who become CEOs and other leaders in industry and banking - you can't do that any more than the generations who came before yours. It would be like claiming entire generations of Germans were the same as Hitler, that entire generations of Chinese were the same as Mao.

Wake up and quit blaming someone else. You can no more define a generation of people than you can define all people regardless of age, nationality, and heritage. One thing you can absolutely bet on is that your opinions will change as you age and you learn through experience ... gain wisdom, which leads to individual thought rather than letting your cronies lead you around by the nose and tell you what to think and believe. Then you can listen to the new generations telling yours how bad they screwed it all up ... and many of us boomers would agree with them on that sentiment since you want to play the generational blame game.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I'm not you, which is a plus.
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VolStrom is working with a lot more knowledge and wisdom than you are; perhaps you should listen instead of believing you know all. Those of us who lived and worked long enough to retire have probably gotten a bit opinionated and probably a bit bitter over the years form experience. You'll learn ... probably ... maybe.
 
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AM64 said:
VolStrom is working with a lot more knowledge and wisdom than you are; perhaps you should listen instead of believing you know all. Those of us who lived and worked long enough to retire have probably gotten a bit opinionated and probably a bit bitter over the years form experience. You'll learn ... probably ... maybe.
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Just because someone is bitter and opionated doesn't mean they've amassed some great amount of knowledge and wisdom. The whole, "everyone sucks but us old guys and we were the only ones who could do anything right" mentality is annoying.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Just because someone is bitter and opionated doesn't mean they've amassed some great amount of knowledge and wisdom. The whole, "everyone sucks but us old guys and we were the only ones who could do anything right" mentality is annoying.
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You really need to seek the wisdom of @Old Geezer .
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Just because someone is bitter and opionated doesn't mean they've amassed some great amount of knowledge and wisdom. The whole, "everyone sucks but us old guys and we were the only ones who could do anything right" mentality is annoying.
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No, bitter and opinionated doesn't mean someone has amassed great amounts of wisdom; however it often means that because they have spent years gaining wisdom while being fed BS, they become bitter and opinionated. For example, how many people in any generation aren't opinionated and bitter toward the political incompetence emanating from DC?

Just so happens VolStrom and I are engineers; spend a career in a position such as engineering in a corporate environment and you'll likely wind up as cynical as we are. There are reasons for sayings like "there's never enough time or money to do things right, but there's always enough time and money to do it over" ... those are things learned by those who have been there and done that and generally weren't amused by people running the show.

The point is that you are making this generational. It's not generational; we have piss poor leadership across the board - politics, education, industry ..., and it's been that way for a very long time. A thing like a Robert McNamara, not of my generation, but who managed to waste a lot of my generation isn't generational. There are always more of them and your generation has them too - that's a promise.
 
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AM64 said:
No, bitter and opinionated doesn't mean someone has amassed great amounts of wisdom; however it often means that because they have spent years gaining wisdom while being fed BS, they become bitter and opinionated. For example, how many people in any generation aren't opinionated and bitter toward the political incompetence emanating from DC?

Just so happens VolStrom and I are engineers; spend a career in a position such as engineering in a corporate environment and you'll likely wind up as cynical as we are. There are reasons for sayings like "there's never enough time or money to do things right, but there's always enough time and money to do it over" ... those are things learned by those who have been there and done that and generally weren't amused by people running the show.

The point is that you are making this generational. It's not generational; we have piss poor leadership across the board - politics, education, industry ..., and it's been that way for a very long time. A thing like a Robert McNamara, not of my generation, but who managed to waste a lot of my generation isn't generational. There are always more of them and your generation has them too - that's a promise.
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You and Volstrom made it generational, I just responded.
 
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#608
clarksvol00 said:
Just because someone is bitter and opionated doesn't mean they've amassed some great amount of knowledge and wisdom. The whole, "everyone sucks but us old guys and we were the only ones who could do anything right" mentality is annoying.
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This article is on topic and peripherally touches on our discussion. It's worth the time to read. It's also an example of why it's often so frustrating for people who have learned over a career what works, what doesn't, and why; and how that experience often comes into conflict with people who have yet to learn what someone older is trying to tell them. It's not generational although people may be of different generations, and it's not a bunch of old farts just being obstructionist. It's often the difference in what older people have learned through a lifetime on the job vs the Pollyannaish hopes of those younger. As you read, look at the work experience of the guy saying it won't work vs that of an upstart consulting company referred to as E3 in the article. This is the kind of thing that has left people like VS and me feeling like we spent years bashing our heads against a brick wall.

For the record, the guy saying it can't be done is correct. There is a world of power in the ocean off the CA coast that could be explored and perhaps harnessed, but that's not the discussion here. Solar and wind can replace a nuclear plant for parts of a day when the weather is agreeable, but thinking that battery storage will fill in the gaps is absurd - certainly at comparable cost. It's also why the proposal to change to EVs in a short span is nonsense. We've been living on borrowed time with an old power grid that worked because a lot of energy intensive industry went away and we are using more efficient appliance in more efficient homes. Population growth caught up; we don't have the generational capacity to charge a proposed switch to EVs despite what dreamers think.

Grid Expert: Replacing Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant with Renewables 'Can’t Be Done'
 
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clarksvol00 said:
You and Volstrom made it generational, I just responded.
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You mean this? My comment was simply a reflection that most of the older of us aren't willing to even consider a "world government" for environmental or any other reason. That to give up US sovereignty to any degree would require new generations with new thinking.

AM64 said:
I think they are delaying until us boomers go away, and there's nobody left to argue against world government.

clarksvol00 said:
Cause the boomers have done such a great job for us over the last fifty years?
 
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AM64 said:
VolStrom is working with a lot more knowledge and wisdom than you are; perhaps you should listen instead of believing you know all. Those of us who lived and worked long enough to retire have probably gotten a bit opinionated and probably a bit bitter over the years form experience. You'll learn ... probably ... maybe.
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By simply living? That's an absurd take. Plenty of old people without a clue

Boomer leadership has absolutely aided in the destruction of the USA and still does daily. Mostly from their years of acquiring knowledge and wisdom I'm sure
 
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AM64 said:
This article is on topic and peripherally touches on our discussion. It's worth the time to read. It's also an example of why it's often so frustrating for people who have learned over a career what works, what doesn't, and why; and how that experience often comes into conflict with people who have yet to learn what someone older is trying to tell them. It's not generational although people may be of different generations, and it's not a bunch of old farts just being obstructionist. It's often the difference in what older people have learned through a lifetime on the job vs the Pollyannaish hopes of those younger. As you read, look at the work experience of the guy saying it won't work vs that of an upstart consulting company referred to as E3 in the article. This is the kind of thing that has left people like VS and me feeling like we spent years bashing our heads against a brick wall.

For the record, the guy saying it can't be done is correct. There is a world of power in the ocean off the CA coast that could be explored and perhaps harnessed, but that's not the discussion here. Solar and wind can replace a nuclear plant for parts of a day when the weather is agreeable, but thinking that battery storage will fill in the gaps is absurd - certainly at comparable cost. It's also why the proposal to change to EVs in a short span is nonsense. We've been living on borrowed time with an old power grid that worked because a lot of energy intensive industry went away and we are using more efficient appliance in more efficient homes. Population growth caught up; we don't have the generational capacity to charge a proposed switch to EVs despite what dreamers think.

Grid Expert: Replacing Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant with Renewables 'Can’t Be Done'
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I don't care about the article and i dont dispute that you learn more as you continue to work. I dispute the implication that as boomers leave the workforce everybody is either too dumb or lazy to replace them.
 
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AM64 said:
You mean this? My comment was simply a reflection that most of the older of us aren't willing to even consider a "world government" for environmental or any other reason. That to give up US sovereignty to any degree would require new generations with new thinking.

AM64 said:
I think they are delaying until us boomers go away, and there's nobody left to argue against world government.

clarksvol00 said:
Cause the boomers have done such a great job for us over the last fifty years?
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Boomers are the only free-thinkers standing between you and the new world order!
 
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#613
utvolpj said:
By simply living? That's an absurd take. Plenty of old people without a clue

Boomer leadership has absolutely aided in the destruction of the USA and still does daily. Mostly from their years of acquiring knowledge and wisdom I'm sure
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Perhaps you missed the "lived and worked long enough to retire" part? Yeah, plenty of people of all ages die without a clue ... many of them are of the multigenerational liberal persuasion.
 
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AM64 said:
Perhaps you missed the "lived and worked long enough to retire" part? Yeah, plenty of people of all ages die without a clue ... many of them are of the multigenerational liberal persuasion.
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Lots of people make it to retirement. Doesn't mean they have some great wealth of knowledge that nobody else has.
 
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AM64 said:
Perhaps you missed the "lived and worked long enough to retire" part? Yeah, plenty of people of all ages die without a clue ... many of them are of the multigenerational liberal persuasion.
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That still changes nothing. The act of simply living long enough to quit working doesn't automatically initiate a knowledge transfer no one else has access to. The fact is that Boomer leadership has been bad for this country and is to blame for at least part of our troubles. Way more than any of the younger generations boomers love to blame or make fun of
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Boomers are the only free-thinkers standing between you and the new world order!
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It will be your problem if that's true; we will be gone -- not our problem. Ever read "In Flanders Field", or is that one of the things that educators no longer think important? It's about war, but it's also very applicable to life and learning itself.
 
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utvolpj said:
That still changes nothing. The act of simply living long enough to quit working doesn't automatically initiate a knowledge transfer no one else has access to. The fact is that Boomer leadership has been bad for this country and is to blame for at least part of our troubles. Way more than any of the younger generations boomers love to blame or make fun of
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It's not the boomers fault alone, it's the fact that starting with their generation we have lived in prosperity and relative peace. Plentiful time make soft people, it will only get worse until it crashes.
 
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utvolpj said:
Because crippling debt from a huge govt is a better plan?
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Best wishes on thinking you can change the trajectory, but I doubt that you will have any better luck influencing the people that decide how the government spends money than we did or than our parents did. The only people that those we elect represent is themselves.
 
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#625
utvolpj said:
Does it matter when both lead to the same end? Our current path is simply unsustainable
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It kinda matters . We can Cuba or Venezuela if their would prefer our plan with the ability to change it or what they live in now without any voice whatsoever . I didn’t say our crazy azz spending was sustainable. I do know because I read history , that socialism is absolutely not because it lead to communism and dictatorships . Now back to my original statement.. boomers don’t support socialism .
 
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