Mike Leach accepted the UT Job, then we withdrew the offer... Let that sink in

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Speaking of pass happy head coaches, how bout PJ Fleck. Looks like it took him a while to get his system operating well but he’s undefeated this year.
 
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GregAmsler said:
I’ve said a few times that Leach is overrated. Not that he’s not a good coach...he is. But he’s often credited with being very good or great, which he isn’t.

Many on this site lament that UT didn’t hire Leach. Many have also cited Pruitt’s regression from Season 1 to Season 2 as a reason not to believe he can get it done.

In his first 3 seasons at Washington State, Leach was 3-9, 6-7, and 3-9. Leach actually regressed to 3-9 in his third season. Building a program isn’t always a linear upward trajectory.
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I don't lament that we didn't hire Leach but he has done good things at WSU because he has installed an offense that can score and that has excited the fanbase .....just the opposite of what's happening in Knoxville.

And it's more difficult to recruit highly ranked players to WSU than it is to Knoxville...or it used to be that way.

It's true that you can't win big without a good defense but the fastest way to get noticed and to excite the fan base is to install an exciting offense. And the most efficacious way to do that is a short passing game with a hurry up offense.
 
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Wow. Leach is actually blaming his players. That right there should mean he isnt a good HC right? Because from whats been said on here, every loss is ALWAYS on the HC. No exceptions!

On a side note, if a TN HC said stuff like this about the players, many on here would lose theur freaking mind and demand he be fired. This is yet another example of Keach's immaturity as an adult. Hard to believe some of you wanted this clown as the HC.
 
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JoAllan said:
Lol when you don’t know why in the world would you even reply.

You can certainly look over my history and you will see.

If your for Pruitt, thats cool, but maybe provide for reasoning or facts to back it up.
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That was my point! If you are not a Leach supporter, why did you claim that nothing was ruined. You wouldn't know that unless you were.
 
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GregAmsler said:
I’ve said a few times that Leach is overrated. Not that he’s not a good coach...he is. But he’s often credited with being very good or great, which he isn’t.

Many on this site lament that UT didn’t hire Leach. Many have also cited Pruitt’s regression from Season 1 to Season 2 as a reason not to believe he can get it done.

In his first 3 seasons at Washington State, Leach was 3-9, 6-7, and 3-9. Leach actually regressed to 3-9 in his third season. Building a program isn’t always a linear upward trajectory.
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He had an interesting quote last night, talking about how soft his team was and how baffling it was because most of his team returned from the previous season and that team was very tough. It was interesting to me because of our issues trying to build a tough team and how hard it evidently is.

Even an experienced coach like Leach has a hard time keeping basically the same team from the year before mentally and physically tough into the next season. Shows the uphill climb Pruitt and staff have to not only build toughness but then maintain it.
 
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GregAmsler said:
I’ve said a few times that Leach is overrated. Not that he’s not a good coach...he is. But he’s often credited with being very good or great, which he isn’t.

Many on this site lament that UT didn’t hire Leach. Many have also cited Pruitt’s regression from Season 1 to Season 2 as a reason not to believe he can get it done.

In his first 3 seasons at Washington State, Leach was 3-9, 6-7, and 3-9. Leach actually regressed to 3-9 in his third season. Building a program isn’t always a linear upward trajectory.
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Leach got as close as he's ever gonna be last year....to competing for a Pac-12 title at WSU.
He's a career 62% winning percentage coach......

He knows how to put points on the board...that's his claim to fame...
But a FB program is more than just having a sexy offense in order to consistently be competitive and successful.
Leach has NEVER proven that he can be competitive with the best teams and successful as a TEAM as clearly evidenced in his overall 62% winning percentage.

Leach's record in the PAC-12:

Oregon = 4-3...
Stanford = 3-4
Washington = 2-5
USC = 2-2
UCLA = 2-2
CAL = 3-4
AZ = 5-1
ASU = 3-2

Leach's overall record in the PAC-12 is a whopping 55.3 %....
Leach's record after 8 years in the Big-12 was right at 65%....

Leach ain't the guy you want if you want to rise up to elite status in your LEAGUE--much less in the entire NCAA.
Leach is nothing more than an overall AVERAGE COACH....

There's absolutely no objective evidence to suggest that Leach would succeed here at UT.
He is already clearly outmatched in the PAC-12.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Leach got as close as he's ever gonna be last year....to competing for a Pac-12 title at WSU.
He's a career 62% winning percentage coach......

He knows how to put points on the board...that's his claim to fame...
But a FB program is more than just having a sexy offense in order to consistently be competitive and successful.
Leach has NEVER proven that he can be competitive with the best teams and successful as a TEAM as clearly evidenced in his overall 62% winning percentage.

Leach's record in the PAC-12:

Oregon = 4-3...
Stanford = 3-4
Washington = 2-5
USC = 2-2
UCLA = 2-2
CAL = 3-4
AZ = 5-1
ASU = 3-2

Leach's overall record in the PAC-12 is a whopping 55.3 %....
Leach's record after 8 years in the Big-12 was right at 65%....

Leach ain't the guy you want if you want to rise up to elite status in your LEAGUE--much less in the entire NCAA.
Leach is nothing more than an overall AVERAGE COACH....

There's absolutely no objective evidence to suggest that Leach would succeed here at UT.
He is already clearly outmatched in the PAC-12.
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You are foolishly ignoring the fact that he’s at WASHINGTON STATE. You’re also weighing in those 3-9 rebuilding years rather than focusing on what he has built. I don’t want Leach, but to say there is no objective evidence that he’d succeed is really ludicrous.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Leach got as close as he's ever gonna be last year....to competing for a Pac-12 title at WSU.
He's a career 62% winning percentage coach......

He knows how to put points on the board...that's his claim to fame...
But a FB program is more than just having a sexy offense in order to consistently be competitive and successful.
Leach has NEVER proven that he can be competitive with the best teams and successful as a TEAM as clearly evidenced in his overall 62% winning percentage.

Leach's record in the PAC-12:

Oregon = 4-3...
Stanford = 3-4
Washington = 2-5
USC = 2-2
UCLA = 2-2
CAL = 3-4
AZ = 5-1
ASU = 3-2

Leach's overall record in the PAC-12 is a whopping 55.3 %....
Leach's record after 8 years in the Big-12 was right at 65%....

Leach ain't the guy you want if you want to rise up to elite status in your LEAGUE--much less in the entire NCAA.
Leach is nothing more than an overall AVERAGE COACH....

There's absolutely no objective evidence to suggest that Leach would succeed here at UT.
He is already clearly outmatched in the PAC-12.
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What's Tennessee's SEC record the last 10 years? Hint, nowhere near 55%
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
You are foolishly ignoring the fact that he’s at WASHINGTON STATE. You’re also weighing in those 3-9 rebuilding years rather than focusing on what he has built. I don’t want Leach, but to say there is no objective evidence that he’d succeed is really ludicrous.
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Leach has been a HC for 18+ years and has posted a 186-85 record (61.5%) coaching record accumulated from time in the Big-12 and the PAC-12.
That's PLENTY OF OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE proving his mediocrity at best --against Big 12 and PAC-12 DEFENSES!

61.5% will NOT cut it in the SEC.....

Leach's record after 5 years at WSU was a dismal 29-34 to equal a 46% winning record.
Butch Jones record @ 5 years at UT was a dismal 34-27 to equal a 55.7% winning record---that got him summarily fired.

Just what may I ask would you consider to be objective evidence proving Leach could do any better here than he did in his first 5 years at WSU???????

SMH.....
 
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Well he really had to much coaching experience and had won to many games for us to hire him. We like guys that have won about 40 at a lower level or have done a decent job as a Assistant. No way were ever gonna hire a guy that has actually coached a while. It hasn't happened in the last two decades even though Fulmer with the help of Cutcliffe and Chavis did a remarkable job for several seasons until they all left him and he had nothing to offer anymore.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
You are foolishly ignoring the fact that he’s at WASHINGTON STATE. You’re also weighing in those 3-9 rebuilding years rather than focusing on what he has built. I don’t want Leach, but to say there is no objective evidence that he’d succeed is really ludicrous.
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Not really. What usually happens to a Leach team when he faces a good defense? He loses. At TN he would be facing, at minimum, 3 really good ones every year. And honestly, Muschamp is a pretty good defensive coach. While its theoretically possible he could come here and succeed, the same thing I have stated multiple times about him stands. If the guy is that good, he would be at a bigger program with expectations. He has it easy at WSU. Zero expectations and a soft schedule.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Leach got as close as he's ever gonna be last year....to competing for a Pac-12 title at WSU.
He's a career 62% winning percentage coach......

He knows how to put points on the board...that's his claim to fame...
But a FB program is more than just having a sexy offense in order to consistently be competitive and successful.
Leach has NEVER proven that he can be competitive with the best teams and successful as a TEAM as clearly evidenced in his overall 62% winning percentage.

Leach's record in the PAC-12:

Oregon = 4-3...
Stanford = 3-4
Washington = 2-5
USC = 2-2
UCLA = 2-2
CAL = 3-4
AZ = 5-1
ASU = 3-2

Leach's overall record in the PAC-12 is a whopping 55.3 %....
Leach's record after 8 years in the Big-12 was right at 65%....

Leach ain't the guy you want if you want to rise up to elite status in your LEAGUE--much less in the entire NCAA.
Leach is nothing more than an overall AVERAGE COACH....

There's absolutely no objective evidence to suggest that Leach would succeed here at UT.
He is already clearly outmatched in the PAC-12.
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There's no objective evidence that Pruitt will succeed at UT, yet here we are.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
You are foolishly ignoring the fact that he’s at WASHINGTON STATE. You’re also weighing in those 3-9 rebuilding years rather than focusing on what he has built. I don’t want Leach, but to say there is no objective evidence that he’d succeed is really ludicrous.
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You're just too dern stupid to be able to evaluate evidence in the first place.......
 
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MikeVol44 said:
See above post......after 5 years at WSU Leach was 46% in the PAC-12......
Instead of trying to be a smart-azz.....why don't you give some logical reason explaining why you think he'd do any better here in the SEC?
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Yea because WSU is on the level of Tennessee. If you can't see that, well I'd rather be a smart a** than a dumb a**.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
See above post......after 5 years at WSU Leach was 46% in the PAC-12......
Instead of trying to be a smart-azz.....why don't you give some logical reason explaining why you think he'd do any better here in the SEC?
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If we played WSU, they'd kill us. Before you say it, I know recruiting services suck. Even though recruiting rankings show we are vastly more talented. Butch recruited zero talent here. No coach in the history of football was left in such a mess. I've heard it before.
 
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orangerush said:
There's no objective evidence that Pruitt will succeed at UT, yet here we are.
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CJP is just 16 games into being a HC at any program.....
I'd say that there is not enough objective evidence at this point to draw any intelligent conclusions about CJP as a HC.

On the other hand---in 18+ years of coaching Leach has only won 61.5% of his games.....

I'd say that is enough objective evidence to conclude that he ain't ever gonna progress from his mediocrity....

Yes--he knows how to score points.....but he doesn't know how to elevate a program.....


Goodbye......
 
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