Mike Leach accepted the UT Job, then we withdrew the offer... Let that sink in

Year 3 shows 3 wins. Would that performance survive here?

To add to my other post. They averaged the #65.5 ranked recruiting class the 4 years prior to Leach (#11.75 out of 12 in the PAC-12).

The 4 years prior to Pruitt averaged #10.5 ranked class nationally and #5.25 in the SEC.

So Leach inherited one of the worst P5 overall based on record and talent, and the absolute worse team in his conference.
 
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Go look at Washington State's record prior to Leach. It is much different than Tennessee.

In the 4 years before Pruitt, Tennessee was 29-22.

In the 4 years before Leach, Washington State was 9-40.

That didn't answer his question.
 
That didn't answer his question.

Would Leach survive a 3-9 year 3 at Tennessee? Probably not.

Would Leach go 3-9 in year 3 at Tennessee? Probably not.

Does that help you understand my point?
 
Go look at Washington State's record prior to Leach. It is much different than Tennessee.

In the 4 years before Pruitt, Tennessee was 29-22.

In the 4 years before Leach, Washington State was 9-40.

Cherry picking years, classic. The selection conveniently includes our two best seasons in the last decade and excludes the 4 prior losing seasons. WSU had three 10 win seasons in the decade preceding Leach. It all depends on how you spin it, but I find it hard to argue that either man took over a healthy program.
 
Its amazing to me that so many are using Leach "Probably" would or wouldn't do something damn near as fact.

And Although I absolutely agree its not looking good right now, the fact is Pruitt has not finished his second season 1-11, 2-10, 3-9...etc. Bunch of comments all over about how "coach X" wouldn't go 1-11 in his second season. Haha. At least wait until Pruitt does before you start celebrating.
 
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It would be entertaining to see how long the losing but entertaining press conferences would okay.

Lol. If he Pruitt was making 50,000 a year we'd be okay with all this losing. And if he was at least entertaining in his press conferences, hell, that would be better than an SEC championship appearance.

Look, all I care about is what's best for the student athlete. Its despicable for the fans to blame them and even worse for the coach to blame them. But as long as he's winning on the field OR the press conferences, he can throw them under the bus any time he pleases.

Lol.
LOL game is a strong! You all ready win-ner.
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To add to my other post. They averaged the #65.5 ranked recruiting class the 4 years prior to Leach (#11.75 out of 12 in the PAC-12).

The 4 years prior to Pruitt averaged #10.5 ranked class nationally and #5.25 in the SEC.

So Leach inherited one of the worst P5 overall based on record and talent, and the absolute worse team in his conference.

You ignore attrition and the fact that Jones didn't recruit any defensive linemen and that most of the o linemen were recruited for and were taught finesse style blocking. Not to mention that Jones left no SEC level QBs on the roster. The bottom line is that Leach needed 4 years to get his players and his system installed properly. Seems legit.
 
Cherry picking years, classic. The selection conveniently includes our two best seasons in the last decade and excludes the 4 prior losing seasons. WSU had three 10 win seasons in the decade preceding Leach. It all depends on how you spin it, but I find it hard to argue that either man took over a healthy program.
The guy that they had before Leach (Paul Wulff) was truly awful - his best season was 4-8, which was also his last season before they fired him. The guy before him (Bill Doba) did have 10 wins his first year but won 5, 4, 6, and 5 games after that. They were really, really bad when Leach took over. Butch at least had the program on an upward trajectory until the South Carolina loss during the 2016 season. However, the bottom fell out extremely quickly with him.

Wash St was probably in even worse shape when Leach took over than Tennessee was when Pruitt took over. The thing is...they aren't the same job. Getting Wash St back to respectability in the Pac 12 is probably easier than getting Tennessee back to respectability in the SEC.
 
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Edit: I thought I quoted you're post @'Boro-vol

It would be entertaining to see how long the losing but entertaining press conferences would be okay.

Lol. If he Pruitt was making 50,000 a year we'd be okay with all this losing. And if he was at least entertaining in his press conferences, hell, that would be better than an SEC championship appearance.

Look, all I care about is what's best for the student athlete. Its despicable for the fans to blame them and even worse for the coach to blame them. But as long as he's winning on the field OR the press conferences, he can throw them under the bus any time he pleases.

Lol.
Which post of mine did you think you quoted? Not sure what I feel like I need to defend.
 
I’ve said a few times that Leach is overrated. Not that he’s not a good coach...he is. But he’s often credited with being very good or great, which he isn’t.

Many on this site lament that UT didn’t hire Leach. Many have also cited Pruitt’s regression from Season 1 to Season 2 as a reason not to believe he can get it done.

In his first 3 seasons at Washington State, Leach was 3-9, 6-7, and 3-9. Leach actually regressed to 3-9 in his third season. Building a program isn’t always a linear upward trajectory.
I am very happy that he is where he is and not at Tennessee.
 
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Mike Leach has had his system in place for how many years? Like 5 years now? How many of those players were recruited and developed by his staff? All of them. So it’s on him. Not the players. That’s why he gets paid millions.
 
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Didn't say you needed to defend anything. I had to edit it after I noticed I didn't quote you.
Gotcha....that’s why I didn’t understand.

For the record, and outside of what I think of Leach as a coach, his remarks were indefensible.
 
If he went 3-9, 6-7, 3-9 at Tennessee, he would be fired. Hell, we're talking about firing a coach in his 2nd year, after changing both coordinators.
There's no doubt about that. He would have never seen year 4 at Tennessee, and almost certainly would have been fired mid-season during year 3.

That's the difference between working at a place where the football coach is just the football coach and at a place where football is taken...a little bit more seriously, let's say.
 
I have no clue what would happen if Leach coached Tennessee. I do know I wouldn't have to hear done did aight, and that'd be aight with me
 
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I am sure everybody would be totally cool with the HC calling the players fat, lazy and entitled when he loses. I mean every great HC says that right?
 
I am sure everybody would be totally cool with the HC calling the players fat, lazy and entitled when he loses. I mean every great HC says that right?
Only the fans that do it already rather than blaming the coach for our shortcomings. Everybody else, myself included, would have a huge problem with it.
 
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Only the fans that do it already rather than blaming the coach for our shortcomings. Everybody else, myself included, would have a huge problem with it.

Fans should blame the players. Not quite as much as the coaches but players must shoulder their part.

For example, did you happen to see what Dak Prescott said after their atrocious loss to the Saints? He said we have got to execute better. Hmmm, now why would he say that you think? Maybe because without player execution, coaching is meaningless.
 
Fans should blame the players. Not quite as much as the coaches but players must shoulder their part.

For example, did you happen to see what Dak Prescott said after their atrocious loss to the Saints? He said we have got to execute better. Hmmm, now why would he say that you think? Maybe because without player execution, coaching is meaningless.
Because he's a professional, much like the coach.

Interesting that you would take this position as one of the biggest coach defenders on the board. I disagree with it either way, but it must be ok to bash the players unless you earn a salary to do it.
 

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