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#76
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peaygolf said:
Sat next to a guy on the basketball team in Stats Class. "I just want to play basketball" was his answer to each question. He graduated.

I tried, " I just wanna play golf." Did NOT work
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Might have if you didn't have that flying elbow
 
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peaygolf said:
to be honest, I don't want to say anything that would be considered inappropriate. I do understand that people come from different backgrounds and some are "developed" differently to learning. If a student, ANY student, isn't able to get into college, they can go Junior college or tech schools. Maybe "tech" schools should have teams. A developmental league would kill college football. The evolution of that would morph into the best going that route and never have to worry about school. Maybe a "try-out" for the NFL combine for kids who don't go to college or get "lost" due to academics. I don't know....Tossing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.

Life isn't always "fair" and we need to re-learn that as a society.
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The whole “life isn’t fair” doesn’t apply in this situation. The rules where you basically have to go to college in order to go to the nfl goes against everything that capitalism stands for. If you have a skill you should be able to capitalize off of it. Instead, the powers that be exploit these young men for their skills and talents and if they make it to the nfl or not, the institution made their money off of them. Please tell me where else this happens in our country. Baseball, hockey, golf, tennis, and soccer players can go Straight to the pros without having to go play for a college. Nfl and the nba have to go to the pros because there’s so much money to be made from these athletes. And please don’t give me that “they get an education " excuse. That’s not what a lot of them are there for.
 
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volunteerfan said:
The whole “life isn’t fair” doesn’t apply in this situation. The rules where you basically have to go to college in order to go to the nfl goes against everything that capitalism stands for. If you have a skill you should be able to capitalize off of it. Instead, the powers that be exploit these young men for their skills and talents and if they make it to the nfl or not, the institution made their money off of them. Please tell me where else this happens in our country. Baseball, hockey, golf, tennis, and soccer players can go Straight to the pros without having to go play for a college. Nfl and the nba have to go to the pros because there’s so much money to be made from these athletes. And please don’t give me that “they get an education " excuse. That’s not what a lot of them are there for.
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:rolleyes:ok
 
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The vast majority of these scholarship players are not going to get an NFL meal ticket so really for any of them to be slacking it and crying about how hard it is there's no excuse period. They better grow up and take advantage of that free college ride before it's too late because the real world doesn't GAF.
 
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Roustabout said:
You know, you make a good point. I think the NFL understands that the challenge of college is worth it. The NFL is also a cerebral game. College weeds out the lazy and shiftless, or those who just got by on raw talent. My degree doesn’t directly apply to my job at all, but that doesn’t mean my degree is worthless to my job.
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There are many many nfl players who cheated/struggled their way through college...yes NFL football is more cerebral than high school football but getting through academic classes in no way prepares the player for the NFL..

They are prepared by the coaching/teaching of football.
 
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Smokeyone said:
I contend if all schools played actual college students the stands would be just as full. TV money might not be as large but that might be a good thing also. People go to college games for a competitive game, supporting their schools and the players.....despite the conferences and schools trying to be the minors for the NFL.
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Maryville college cant fill their stadium[/QUOTE]
Vanderbilt can’t fill their stadium
 
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volunteerfan said:
The whole “life isn’t fair” doesn’t apply in this situation. The rules where you basically have to go to college in order to go to the nfl goes against everything that capitalism stands for. If you have a skill you should be able to capitalize off of it. Instead, the powers that be exploit these young men for their skills and talents and if they make it to the nfl or not, the institution made their money off of them. Please tell me where else this happens in our country. Baseball, hockey, golf, tennis, and soccer players can go Straight to the pros without having to go play for a college. Nfl and the nba have to go to the pros because there’s so much money to be made from these athletes. And please don’t give me that “they get an education " excuse. That’s not what a lot of them are there for.
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Couple of things here. One, a kid can go from HS to the NFL or to Arena League or to Semi-Pro or to the CFL. There's nothing legally stopping them.

Two, to your point about capitalism, it depends on whose rule it is. In free market capitalism, the NFL can make whatever rule it wants to make concerning player eligibility. If they choose to support college football as essentially a "minor league" then they can. Nothing anti-capitalist about that. Taking that decision away from the NFL... would be anti-capitalist. NCAA rules would be murkier since they have much more direct ties to government institutions. However they are not a government institution nor as far as I know do they enjoy monopoly protection from the government.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
SO, SPLAIN to me just how they even get Qualified?
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Junior College...JuCo.

It is like a wonderful second chance for athletes who were just passed along in high school.

JuCo provides food, shelter, and a structured life. They have tutors to help get the grades up. They offer courses on how to take the standardized tests.

JuCO works for some guys such that they can qualify for a 4-year school. Many don't make it.

Even if you pass that cut, as discussed previously, life at a big school is difficult.

Larry Bird lasted less than 30 days at the University of Indiana. He hitchhiked home and went to work on a garbage truck. Larry didn't like the big campus life.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
So you would deny a NFL career to someone beause they struggle with Calculus?

It is asinine that the NFL doesnt have a developmental league and uses the NCAA as its feeder system. As long as getting a shot in the NFL requires attening college, grades of lack thereof mean zero to me.


And busting your ass all year to perform at a high level for a chance to go pro isnt having anything handed to you.. if the self righteous ones amongst us had to endure as...le coaches, miserable practices and small minded fans on social media for jusr a month, im fairly certain they would change their tune about how easy an athlete has it.
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I would not give them a college diploma if they could/would not pass the necessary tests to obtain a degree. That does not mean that they would have to graduated to play football. It does mean .they would have to make some progress toward meeting the standards required to EARN a degree. There are a lot of athlete who have gone to college and played a sport but have not graduated, played professionally and returned to college 20 years later and earned a degree. If players can not qualify to play for a four year college, most go to Junior College where than can either go to a four year college, go to the pros, or get a job in the private sector. They can also go to a trade school and make an average living. Just because they are an athlete doesn’t mean they are entitled to make millions of dollars or be given a degree if they cannot pass the standards established for that degree. JMHO
 
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sjt18 said:
Couple of things here. One, a kid can go from HS to the NFL or to Arena League or to Semi-Pro or to the CFL. There's nothing legally stopping them.

Two, to your point about capitalism, it depends on whose rule it is. In free market capitalism, the NFL can make whatever rule it wants to make concerning player eligibility. If they choose to support college football as essentially a "minor league" then they can. Nothing anti-capitalist about that. Taking that decision away from the NFL... would be anti-capitalist. NCAA rules would be murkier since they have much more direct ties to government institutions. However they are not a government institution nor as far as I know do they enjoy monopoly protection from the government.
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Let me know where skills and talents are used for making someone money without getting paid in return? I’ll tell you where, the south before the emancipation proclamation. A kid can’t go from hs to the nfl.
 
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LittleVol said:
Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

I know you just didn’t disrespect Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Tyson like that. They would literally beat the Mayflower to death!! Geez man.
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volunteerfan said:
Let me know where skills and talents are used for making someone money without getting paid in return? I’ll tell you where, the south before the emancipation proclamation. A kid can’t go from hs to the nfl.
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That's ignorant. The cost of an education and the special perks these kids get is well over $100,000 and closer to $200,000. And to compare signing a scholarship agreement of your own free will to slavery... is ridiculous and trivializes the REAL suffering of people who had no choice.

The idea that you would actually equate the PRIVILEGE of playing football in exchange for a college education to slavery is sick. My kids wore a uniform to pay for their college... and serviced the B-2 bomber for 6 years in the Air National Guard. It didn't cover all their costs but most of them. They don't have a "professional" next level to pay them millions. Their degrees are worth no more than athletes who went to the same school and performed as well. BUT THEY EARNED THEIR EDUCATION. That's exactly what these players are doing. They aren't "slaves".

Yes. A kid can go from HS to the NFL. There is NO legal obstacle to doing it. The obstacle is that they aren't developed or good enough at the game at that point. That's not the fault of the NFL, NCAA, or any college. That is another "benefit" of playing CFB. They get "free" coaching that costs UT what... $10 million/year?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. A kid can go from HS to the NFL. There is NO legal obstacle to doing it.
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Clarify. At the moment, a player must be out of high school for three years before entering the NFL draft. I suppose they can technically go from high school to the NFL, but that would mean not playing at all. Players aren't choosing to go to college to hone their skills. The NFL is forcing them to, and that was upheld in court when challenged by Maurice Clarett and Mike Williams.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's ignorant. The cost of an education and the special perks these kids get is well over $100,000 and closer to $200,000. And to compare signing a scholarship agreement of your own free will to slavery... is ridiculous and trivializes the REAL suffering of people who had no choice.

The idea that you would actually equate the PRIVILEGE of playing football in exchange for a college education to slavery is sick. My kids wore a uniform to pay for their college... and serviced the B-2 bomber for 6 years in the Air National Guard. It didn't cover all their costs but most of them. They don't have a "professional" next level to pay them millions. Their degrees are worth no more than athletes who went to the same school and performed as well. BUT THEY EARNED THEIR EDUCATION. That's exactly what these players are doing. They aren't "slaves".

Yes. A kid can go from HS to the NFL. There is NO legal obstacle to doing it. The obstacle is that they aren't developed or good enough at the game at that point. That's not the fault of the NFL, NCAA, or any college. That is another "benefit" of playing CFB. They get "free" coaching that costs UT what... $10 million/year?
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Are you really gonna give me the education for play defense? Mookie betts signed a $900k minor league contract straight out of hs. Compared to the 100k education and the money that big time college football rakes in, that education is peanuts. If the nfl didn’t pretty much make kids play three years of college ball then tua wouldn’t be where he is now. He would’ve been the number 1 pick in the draft with a guaranteed $24 million contract. If a kid is good enough and a nfl team will take him then he should be able to go and earn real money. Tell where else in this country is a man not allowed to earn money at a job that they are well qualified to do?
 
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volunteerfan said:
Are you really gonna give me the education for play defense? Mookie betts signed a $900k minor league contract straight out of hs. Compared to the 100k education and the money that big time college football rakes in, that education is peanuts. If the nfl didn’t pretty much make kids play three years of college ball then tua wouldn’t be where he is now. He would’ve been the number 1 pick in the draft with a guaranteed $24 million contract. If a kid is good enough and a nfl team will take him then he should be able to go and earn real money. Tell where else in this country is a man not allowed to earn money at a job that they are well qualified to do?
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There is no 18-19 year old that is physically able to play in the NFL. It is an extremely physical contact sport. That is why football is different.
 
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volunteerfan said:
Are you really gonna give me the education for play defense? Mookie betts signed a $900k minor league contract straight out of hs. Compared to the 100k education and the money that big time college football rakes in, that education is peanuts. If the nfl didn’t pretty much make kids play three years of college ball then tua wouldn’t be where he is now. He would’ve been the number 1 pick in the draft with a guaranteed $24 million contract. If a kid is good enough and a nfl team will take him then he should be able to go and earn real money. Tell where else in this country is a man not allowed to earn money at a job that they are well qualified to do?
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Tua would not get anywhere close t o$24M without ever having played in college.
 
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sjt18 said:
Couple of things here. One, a kid can go from HS to the NFL or to Arena League or to Semi-Pro or to the CFL. There's nothing legally stopping them.

Two, to your point about capitalism, it depends on whose rule it is. In free market capitalism, the NFL can make whatever rule it wants to make concerning player eligibility. If they choose to support college football as essentially a "minor league" then they can. Nothing anti-capitalist about that. Taking that decision away from the NFL... would be anti-capitalist. NCAA rules would be murkier since they have much more direct ties to government institutions. However they are not a government institution nor as far as I know do they enjoy monopoly protection from the government.
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You would have a good point except MLB baseball pays for players in the minor leagues. The NBA even has a developmental league it pays for as part of their business. The NFL? Nothing, they use NCAA players in their quasi developmental league relationship for free. Even the NHL has minor leagues they pay players to use for their development.
 
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Remy said:
You would have a good point except MLB baseball pays for players in the minor leagues. The NBA even has a developmental league it pays for as part of their business. The NFL? Nothing, they use NCAA players in their quasi developmental league relationship for free.
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It is free to them and paid for by us. The players get a free college education plus a bunch of perks.

My point is kind of along the line you went though. There have been a few baseball players (Mantle I think was one) who went from HS to the Majors. Moses Malone and Lebron James are two guys who come to mind as going from HS to the NBA. It doesn't happen often because there aren't many of those guys.

Also, the vast majority of NBA players come from college basketball. A significant and growing number of baseball players are coming out of college.

I named 3 different routes a kid could take if they really thought they were ready. But in addition to the training and coaching they get... most 18 year olds simply CANNOT be ready for the NFL. Their body hasn't even finished maturing.
 
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