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LittleVol said:
Well...perhaps there needs to be developmental league. What does school have to do with NFL?

Why aren't players continuing education education during the NFL years mandatory?

I never had trouble with school as a collegiate athlete but I knew many who did. The tutors were beside themselves that some players struggled with simple 5 letter words or even addition and subtraction.
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I was about to say, how can a guy who ignored twelve years of school have it tutored in a few months of college? If school meant less than zero for all that time, it can be made up only to a limited level. Universities are not set up with coarses for teaching what students are supposed to already know.
 
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Vol Main said:
I was about to say, how can a guy who ignored twelve years of school have it tutored in a few months of college? If school meant less than zero for all that time, it can be made up only to a limited level. Universities are my set up with coarses for teaching what students are supposed to already know.
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We just need to get his eyes checked. Make sure he’s seeing 20/20 and sitting beside someone smart. Problem solved. It worked for me.
 
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LittleVol said:
Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

Early education is crucial and some kids just never get that. Broken homes..broken school systems...etc
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Well, good points....but then again--how were these kids able to pass those standardized tests at an acceptable level to qualify for admission to the University in the first place?

Bottom line--if they are smart enough to meet UT's academic standards for admission without the help of the staff in the Thornton center--they ought to be able to maintain a 2-2.5 GPA at UT with their help.
I would also think these athletes would be able to get help sooner for learning disabilities. They have EVERY advantage.
 
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LittleVol said:
Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

Early education is crucial and some kids just never get that. Broken homes..broken school systems...etc
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I can speak from experience here, I played for coach Fulmer at UT and I'm definitely not the smartest guy around, my grades in highschool were mostly below average but got them up enough to qualify, however once I got to college I had plenty of help,the tutors were great and everyone made sure I stayed up on everything. I understand some have issues picking up on certain things because I was one of them but UT truly does have a ton of resources to make sure you can succeed and stay on the field.

Go vols!!!
 
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[QUOTE="peaygolf, post: 17628663, member: 73606"]If your not college material, then you shouldn’t be admitted to college.

Shouldn’t be handed to you.[/QUOTE]
If that was the case then college football wouldn’t exist! Lol
 
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peaygolf said:
If your not college material, then you shouldn’t be admitted to college.

Shouldn’t be handed to you.
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But is that really fair?? Cordale Jones was ridiculed for saying that "he didn't come to play school" at The Ohio State ...he's still an NFL QB 5 years later.

I'm all for Higher Education and the value and broad horizons it can bring to a young person's life. But some of these kids...mentally are not conditioned to handle your average college criteria.

You can't impress your experience and thus expectations on others when you HAVEN'T experienced theirs...
 
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LittleVol said:
But is that really fair?? Cordale Jones was ridiculed for saying that "he didn't come to play school" at The Ohio State ...he's still an NFL QB 5 years later.

I'm all for Higher Education and the value and broad horizons it can bring to a young person's life. But some of these kids...mentally are not conditioned to handle your average college criteria.

You can't impress your experience and thus expectations on others when you HAVEN'T experienced theirs...
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FWIW, Jones is now a QB for the XFL.
 
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LittleVol said:
But is that really fair?? Cordale Jones was ridiculed for saying that "he didn't come to play school" at The Ohio State ...he's still an NFL QB 5 years later.

I'm all for Higher Education and the value and broad horizons it can bring to a young person's life. But some of these kids...mentally are not conditioned to handle your average college criteria.

You can't impress your experience and thus expectations on others when you HAVEN'T experienced theirs...
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So everyone “deserves “ to go to college and be handed a diploma? Nobody should ever fail out of high school? Nobody should ever be fired from a job that they can’t handle?

Also.....I do not have even close to a good answer for all this. I posted about the simple fact that if an athlete can’t stay eligible with all the resources a major university gives them with study hall and free tutoring, he isn’t trying real hard.
 
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peaygolf said:
So everyone “deserves “ to go to college and be handed a diploma? Nobody should ever fail out of high school? Nobody should ever be fired from a job that they can’t handle?
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You never answered my other question.
Why don't they just make a developmental league for kids that want to play with the possibility of the NFL in 3 years? I think it's a money thing that is tied to closely with tradition.
I'm saying that they shouldn't be forced to go to college, period.

You don't understand what some of these kids come from....

If you did you would not be so quick to judge their situation. And I'm not implying that you are privileged yourself. Just stating that your'e not familiar with this "trap" socioeconomic variable that sets kids up to fail.
 
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MBVFL1 said:
I can speak from experience here, I played for coach Fulmer at UT and I'm definitely not the smartest guy around, my grades in highschool were mostly below average but got them up enough to qualify, however once I got to college I had plenty of help,the tutors were great and everyone made sure I stayed up on everything. I understand some have issues picking up on certain things because I was one of them but UT truly does have a ton of resources to make sure you can succeed and stay on the field.

Go vols!!!
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And I'm not arguing against that at all. I also battled through some supposed disabilities mentally and physically from childhood through college.

I'm simply stating that not only are we NOT created equal, but that some of these kids never had a solid foundation to begin with.

Mike Tyson is the best example I could use. Most devastating boxer of all time. If he were forced to try and get through college before he could turn pro, he never would have been Iron Mike. Drug attack mother. Forced to fight and BEAT grown men at 12 years old in street fights.

There was no learning math or doing homework for him. He had to eat...and have somewhere to sleep. So fought to survive until somebody found him and took him in.
 
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TAF said:
I have ZERO tolerance for Division 1 athletes on full scholarship with grade problems...the assets provided are MORE than enough to MAINTAIN ELIGIBILITY!

*if that actually is the “issue”
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You gotta remember that getting a communications, arts and sciences, or general studies degree is literally like rocket science to most of these dudes.
 
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peaygolf said:
If your not college material, then you shouldn’t be admitted to college.

Shouldn’t be handed to you.
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So you would deny a NFL career to someone beause they struggle with Calculus?

It is asinine that the NFL doesnt have a developmental league and uses the NCAA as its feeder system. As long as getting a shot in the NFL requires attening college, grades of lack thereof mean zero to me.


And busting your ass all year to perform at a high level for a chance to go pro isnt having anything handed to you.. if the self righteous ones amongst us had to endure as...le coaches, miserable practices and small minded fans on social media for jusr a month, im fairly certain they would change their tune about how easy an athlete has it.
 
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LittleVol said:
Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

Early education is crucial and some kids just never get that. Broken homes..broken school systems...etc
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This. Some of these kids’ backgrounds make school very difficult, regardless of resources.
 
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LittleVol said:
You never answered my other question.
Why don't they just make a developmental league for kids that want to play with the possibility of the NFL in 3 years? I think it's a money thing that is tied to closely with tradition.
I'm saying that they shouldn't be forced to go to college, period.

You don't understand what some of these kids come from....

If you did you would not be so quick to judge their situation. And I'm not implying that you are privileged yourself. Just stating that your'e not familiar with this "trap" socioeconomic variable that sets kids up to fail.
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You know, you make a good point. I think the NFL understands that the challenge of college is worth it. The NFL is also a cerebral game. College weeds out the lazy and shiftless, or those who just got by on raw talent. My degree doesn’t directly apply to my job at all, but that doesn’t mean my degree is worthless to my job.
 
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