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[0nelilreb]

None of my business. Nobody even knows for sure what's going on. Wishing him well instead of talking crap about it is my style. I like big Darel.

This thread went way off the rails and into the weeds quick . Do we even know what is happening or do we just like to talk about who’s the best boxer ever pound for pound and which kids deserve to be in college and which don’t ? Geez

 

[JohnWardForever]

Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

Early education is crucial and some kids just never get that. Broken homes..broken school systems...etc

SO, SPLAIN to me just how they even get Qualified?

 

[jps2194]

And I'm not arguing against that at all. I also battled through some supposed disabilities mentally and physically from childhood through college.

I'm simply stating that not only are we NOT created equal, but that some of these kids never had a solid foundation to begin with.

Mike Tyson is the best example I could use. Most devastating boxer of all time. If he were forced to try and get through college before he could turn pro, he never would have been Iron Mike. Drug attack mother. Forced to fight and BEAT grown men at 12 years old in street fights.

There was no learning math or doing homework for him. He had to eat...and have somewhere to sleep. So fought to survive until somebody found him and took him in.

After seeing Darel first hand in high school act like he didn't have to go to class or put in any effort and act as though he was owed something, I seriously doubt his issue is a learning disability but rather an effort disability. Was sincerely hoping he had changed and still hoping he pulls it together and graduates. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he figured he would play 1 year, screw off in class and bolt for the NFL. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[peaygolf]

You never answered my other question.
Why don't they just make a developmental league for kids that want to play with the possibility of the NFL in 3 years? I think it's a money thing that is tied to closely with tradition.
I'm saying that they shouldn't be forced to go to college, period.

You don't understand what some of these kids come from....

If you did you would not be so quick to judge their situation. And I'm not implying that you are privileged yourself. Just stating that your'e not familiar with this "trap" socioeconomic variable that sets kids up to fail.

to be honest, I don't want to say anything that would be considered inappropriate. I do understand that people come from different backgrounds and some are "developed" differently to learning. If a student, ANY student, isn't able to get into college, they can go Junior college or tech schools. Maybe "tech" schools should have teams. A developmental league would kill college football. The evolution of that would morph into the best going that route and never have to worry about school. Maybe a "try-out" for the NFL combine for kids who don't go to college or get "lost" due to academics. I don't know....Tossing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.

Life isn't always "fair" and we need to re-learn that as a society.

 

[peaygolf]

So you would deny a NFL career to someone beause they struggle with Calculus?

It is asinine that the NFL doesnt have a developmental league and uses the NCAA as its feeder system. As long as getting a shot in the NFL requires attening college, grades of lack thereof mean zero to me.


And busting your ass all year to perform at a high level for a chance to go pro isnt having anything handed to you.. if the self righteous ones amongst us had to endure as...le coaches, miserable practices and small minded fans on social media for jusr a month, im fairly certain they would change their tune about how easy an athlete has it.

Read into what I said to justify your ideas. Perfect!

 

[sechamp2012]

Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

Early education is crucial and some kids just never get that. Broken homes..broken school systems...etc

In the 80's Dexter Manley graduated from HS & Oklahoma State. Stated in a interview after being named D player of the game in Super Bowl, that he could not read or write.
Won 2 S Bowls with Redskins.
Was jailed in the 2000's for cocaine crime but went on to rehab with recovery and a change of scenery.

 

[peaygolf]

In the 80's Dexter Manley graduated from HS & Oklahoma State. Stated in a interview after being named D player of the game in Super Bowl, that he could not read or write.
Won 2 S Bowls with Redskins.
Was jailed in the 2000's for cocaine crime but went on to rehab with recovery and a change of scenery.

Sat next to a guy on the basketball team in Stats Class. "I just want to play basketball" was his answer to each question. He graduated.

I tried, " I just wanna play golf." Did NOT work

 

[savannahfan]

Not as easy as you think with the schedule involved, especially if one is not as mentally capable as his peers.

Was he mentally capable of ""getting in"?? He should be able to use the same "smarts" that it took to get in to "make grades" now. Or maybe he couldn't bring the same "high school assets" that helped with the ACT prep to help with his test prep here on the hill.

 

[savannahfan]

Man...it's just not that simple always.
Some kids have learning disabilities but can still ball.

Floyd Mayweather can't even read at a 5th grade level but he's maybe the best boxer ever...

Early education is crucial and some kids just never get that. Broken homes..broken school systems...etc

If a person (namely this one) has "learning disabilities" how the hel- did he pass the ACT with a high enough score to enroll??

As to your Mayweather example:
I have known many people with little or no formal education at any grade level, couldn't read at all, some who couldn't even write their names who have been leaders in their communities , some who have made lots of money, some who held public office (and did it well) for many years. THE THING IS, THEY DIDN'T TRY/GO TO ANY SCHOOL AT ALL. Now we come to the problem, why not go straight to pro ball of some level? Answer: There is no football minor league, oh, that's right, there is college ball to fill this gap. But "smarts" must play a part in this environment. I wonder how long a guy can make it in pro ball with limited "smarts", not able to read etc. ?? Not long this day and time with playbooks inches thick me thinks...

 

[SmilezDavis]

My younger sister would often send papers for me to proofread when she was in college. I sent them back to her with a ton of red marks. At one point, I told her that I wasn't sure how she graduated high school without knowing certain rules. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure why she didn't ask me to proofread her high school papers, but I digress. She ultimately learned more from me than she did any of her teachers and eventually got her Masters in social work. I assumed that she had simply slipped through the cracks because I had the same teachers, and I just taught her what they taught me. I learned that she didn't simply slip through the cracks when I became a teacher.

I briefly taught seventh grade English in Nashville. It was brief because I couldn't cut it. Fewer than half of my students read at grade level. I wondered how I was supposed to teach kids seventh grade standards when they hadn't even mastered second and third grade standards. I wondered why they were in my classroom at all. Then I learned that I had to jump through hoops to give kids failing grades on individual tests, let alone fail them for the year. It's even worse when someone is an exceptional athlete because keeping him/her on the field or on the court often takes precedence. I don't know details here. I just know what I've seen, and I've seen the system fail many kids before they even reach puberty. Sure, some individual kids are problematic, but I can speak from insider experience here. Our entire educational system needs an overhaul.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I have ZERO tolerance for Division 1 athletes on full scholarship with grade problems...the assets provided are MORE than enough to MAINTAIN ELIGIBILITY!

*if that actually is the “issue”

You don't know as much as you think you, oh faultless one. Schedules, aptitude, pre-college schooling (or the lack thereof), self-esteem, so many factors involved. During my time I recall special meetings where high school staff and administrators agreed to "graduate" a student just to get rid of them. And those of us who balked were reminded of "who signs your paycheck." I can recall teacher teams who helped kids barely able t read, fill out community college and other forms, even tests, or do it for them outright. Some of these players are from programs with such poor oversight, what the schools get away with is criminal. Finally, I can recall a teacher team that tried to institute what we called a "Passport to College" program. Where teachers were selected to visit local middle and high schools to teach remedial math, reading, and basic life skills. things like time and financial budgeting, roommate selection and diplomacy--and so on. Supposedly supportive administrators just found ways to either let the program die or kill it under some pretext or another. This was always true for kids from lower-income strata. TAF and other judgmental folks, walk a few miles in other people's shoes before you get all self-righteous and holy.

 

[CAVPUT]

You never answered my other question.
Why don't they just make a developmental league for kids that want to play with the possibility of the NFL in 3 years? I think it's a money thing that is tied to closely with tradition.
I'm saying that they shouldn't be forced to go to college, period.

You don't understand what some of these kids come from....

If you did you would not be so quick to judge their situation. And I'm not implying that you are privileged yourself. Just stating that your'e not familiar with this "trap" socioeconomic variable that sets kids up to fail.

I've said the same. The NFL needs to take a page from MLB/NBA and form a minor league or D-league for kids who haven't the ability or desire to go to college. Why don't they? Money. They'd prefer to let colleges remain their minor league/feeder program.

 

[onevol74]

But is that really fair?? Cordale Jones was ridiculed for saying that "he didn't come to play school" at The Ohio State ...he's still an NFL QB 5 years later.

I'm all for Higher Education and the value and broad horizons it can bring to a young person's life. But some of these kids...mentally are not conditioned to handle your average college criteria.

You can't impress your experience and thus expectations on others when you HAVEN'T experienced theirs...

That is the reason there should be a farm system for football just like baseball. School is for academics and should serve those trying to learn. Not those who are using the system and then fuss about not getting paid. That is a farce.

 

[savannahfan]

Well...perhaps there needs to be developmental league. What does school have to do with NFL?

Why aren't players continuing education education during the NFL years mandatory?

I never had trouble with school as a collegiate athlete but I knew many who did. The tutors were beside themselves that some players struggled with simple 5 letter words or even addition and subtraction.

Here, here, here.. What you are missing is colleges ARE the NFL development league, and to my knowledge they get this league for free!!!!

 

[Vercingetorix]

Guaranteed that the posters who call players with schoolwork issues lazy or stupid are the same people who howl about the miserable academic pointyheads every time a marginal kid has trouble getting admitted in the first place.

 

[onevol74]

You don't know as much as you think you, oh faultless one. Schedules, aptitude, pre-college schooling (or the lack thereof), self-esteem, so many factors involved. During my time I recall special meetings where high school staff and administrators agreed to "graduate" a student just to get rid of them. And those of us who balked were reminded of "who signs your paycheck." I can recall teacher teams who helped kids barely able t read, fill out community college and other forms, even tests, or do it for them outright. Some of these players are from programs with such poor oversight, what the schools get away with is criminal. Finally, I can recall a teacher team that tried to institute what we called a "Passport to College" program. Where teachers were selected to visit local middle and high schools to teach remedial math, reading, and basic life skills. things like time and financial budgeting, roommate selection and diplomacy--and so on. Supposedly supportive administrators just found ways to either let the program die or kill it under some pretext or another. This was always true for kids from lower-income strata. TAF and other judgmental folks, walk a few miles in other people's shoes before you get all self-righteous and holy.

The reason that exists is because no one does anything about the expectations of primary and secondary education. And the answer is not always money.

 

[peaygolf]

That is the reason there should be a farm system for football just like baseball. School is for academics and should serve those trying to learn. Not those who are using the system and then fuss about not getting paid. That is a farce.

.

 

[onevol74]

After seeing Darel first hand in high school act like he didn't have to go to class or put in any effort and act as though he was owed something, I seriously doubt his issue is a learning disability but rather an effort disability. Was sincerely hoping he had changed and still hoping he pulls it together and graduates. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he figured he would play 1 year, screw off in class and bolt for the NFL. Hope I'm wrong.

I told my friends at Powell that this was going to happen and reminded them that this was his third year out and he could enter the draft. But if I am a NFL team I would be very hesitant to take him due to his performance history. He has shown no consistency.

 

[savannahfan]

[QUOTE="peaygolf, post: 17628663, member: 73606"]If your not college material, then you shouldn’t be admitted to college.

Shouldn’t be handed to you.

If that was the case then college football wouldn’t exist! Lol[/QUOTE]

Yes college football would exist. But not played at the level it is now. Just imagine how TV could handle real college students playing the sports of football and basketball..... A big laugh... Not to mention the empty stadiums and field houses. Can you imagine the echos? It's football time, time, time, time!!! Or,,, bottom, bottom, bottom, bottom!!!!!

 

[wmcovol]

If that was the case then college football wouldn’t exist! Lol

Yes college football would exist. But not played at the level it is now. Just imagine how TV could handle real college students playing the sports of football and basketball..... A big laugh... Not to mention the empty stadiums and field houses. Can you imagine the echos? It's football time, time, time, time!!! Or,,, bottom, bottom, bottom, bottom!!!!![/QUOTE]

I contend if all schools played actual college students the stands would be just as full. TV money might not be as large but that might be a good thing also. People go to college games for a competitive game, supporting their schools and the players.....despite the conferences and schools trying to be the minors for the NFL.

 

[volsrock09]

This. Some of these kids’ backgrounds make school very difficult, regardless of resources.

Agreed. All someone has to do is watch Last Chance U to see how some of these kids are. Some have never had a man show them what its like to be a man, to establish a work ethic, and some dont even have anyone that cares about them at all so when they have professors, tutors, and coaches trying to help them academically, they dont know what to do because its new to them. They play football because it is natural for them and they love it, but have to go to school while playing unless they're in the NFL. For me, college was easy as far as the coursework, but difficult when it comes to time management with everything I had going on. It was difficult for me and I didnt start college until I was 25 and a lot more mature than most of these kids. Plus, to be honest, I think half of what is taught in college is useless. At least it is for my career, but I had it all paid for so im not complaining lol.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The reason that exists is because no one does anything about the expectations of primary and secondary education. And the answer is not always money.

That's fine. The point of my post is jackasses who presume to judge people not as privileged themselves and presume to look down their noses at them. All while being both ignorant and arrogant.

 

[LittleVol]

SO, SPLAIN to me just how they even get Qualified?

No child left behind...
And as far as admissions goes....who knows.

 

[LittleVol]

Here, here, here.. What you are missing is colleges ARE the NFL development league, and to my knowledge they get this league for free!!!!

Yup

Doesn't matter if the kid never had the skills to be in college to begin with.

Just put him in there and force him to do something he's never done so he can play the game he loves and hopes to have a future in.

 

[Smokeyone]

Yes college football would exist. But not played at the level it is now. Just imagine how TV could handle real college students playing the sports of football and basketball..... A big laugh... Not to mention the empty stadiums and field houses. Can you imagine the echos? It's football time, time, time, time!!! Or,,, bottom, bottom, bottom, bottom!!!!!

I contend if all schools played actual college students the stands would be just as full. TV money might not be as large but that might be a good thing also. People go to college games for a competitive game, supporting their schools and the players.....despite the conferences and schools trying to be the minors for the NFL.[/QUOTE]
Maryville college cant fill their stadium