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I don't follow that stat.

He went 4-1 against Kentucky;
3-2 against SCAR;
And, if you include his time at Cincy, which you would have to if you wanted to come up with a “losing record” against UT, you’d also have to say he was 1-0 against Vandy in a bowl, that means his record against them is 3-2.

Am I missing something (or forgetting some recent history)?

Losing streak. Not losing record.
 
I will say I think there is a lot of merit to Butch being an insecure,polarizing, jerk. I also think theres no merit to Butch Jones keeping Marlin from being in the NFL. Marlin just wasnt good enough.
 
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I have posted this once and would not do it again unless I felt necessary. I personally know someone that worked with Butch Jones on a weekly basis and these stories that are coming out about him are not surprising at all. the news on Antone Davis being bullied and now a former player are a direct reflection of the type of person Butch Jones was as the head coach at Tennessee. I truly believe the job was to much for him to handle and it therefore effected his character on a daily basis. I am sure Butch Jones is good parent and friend, but as a head football coach he was disrespectful and mean.
 
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Swain already had to backtrack on the story about Butch calling recruits.

Whether the anti recruiting is true or not theres a clear track record,

Helm, Dre B, Playing Kendrick with a freaking concussion, "**** THEM ALL" towards the fans, Davis, ect ect.
 
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I have posted this once and would not do it again unless I felt necessary. I personally know someone that worked with Butch Jones on a weekly basis and these stories that are coming out about him are not surprising at all. the news on Antone Davis being bullied and now a former player are a direct reflection of the type of person Butch Jones was as the head coach at Tennessee. I truly believe the job was to much for him to handle and it therefore effected his character on a daily basis. I am sure Butch Jones is good parent and friend, but as a head football coach he was disrespectful and mean.
Appreciate the info and welcome to Vol Nation
 
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Whether the anti recruiting is true or not theres a clear track record,

Helm, Dre B, Playing Kendrick with a freaking concussion, "**** THEM ALL" towards the fans, Davis, ect ect.

Yes, he did shady stuff. All coaches do. Fulmer was every bit as shady as Kiffin. Some of this seems like a witch hunt right now though, especially with Swain having to retract his story about the recruits being called. I don’t know what’s true and what’s not.
 
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Why are some defending this guy? Too many reports that he was an *******. I don't get why that surprises some or why some are in such denial. Like its been pretty clear for a while.

Clear as mud. Maybe it’s more respect for the Dobbs,Wolfs and Suttons of this world. Why would those class acts cover for him?
 
Jones ain't the peach the sunshine pumpers thought he was. I've heard some stories not news related that would make people think differently about the guy. I don't like him.
 
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Whether the anti recruiting is true or not theres a clear track record,

Helm, Dre B, Playing Kendrick with a freaking concussion, "**** THEM ALL" towards the fans, Davis, ect ect.

Your mind’s made up. Let it be your truth.
 
Jones ain't the peach the sunshine pumpers thought he was. I've heard some stories not news related that would make people think differently about the guy. I don't like him.

Caring is overrated. :)
 
Clear as mud. Maybe it’s more respect for the Dobbs,Wolfs and Suttons of this world. Why would those class acts cover for him?

Dobbs liked a tweet about Jones being fired earlier this year. lol
 
Also, if you can't see the culture has been a complete trainwreck under him the past 3 years, well I don't know what to tell you.
 
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And it’s not like these stories are just coming out after he got fired...they’ve been around for years. And I love the people who say stuff like “well why didn’t anyone bring this up earlier when he was still the coach?”...they did, it’s just that you either refused to listen or didn’t believe them. Can’t have it both ways.
 
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