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GreyWolf1129 said:
Here, we disagree. Accepting the fact, and it is fact, that this is little more than a delaying tactic by liberal Dems...we are left with the question "what's to investigate?" It's here that your argument falls short.

So at some point in the (early) 1980's, a bunch of teens, some of them liquored up, are at a party at a house where no adults are present, and a girl finds herself in a position where are couple (or four) young horny lads allegedly (remember that word) try to take their liberties with her. No excuse for it, but this is not exactly a unique or rarely-occuring event.

You ever try to get to third base and get your hand slapped? Me too. Should I go ahead and get an attorney?

If it happened, and it's her word against the rest of those who were (allegedly, again) there, it was wrong. Criminal? Perhaps now, but not back then, and at this point it's beyond the reach of the criminal justice system, if it ever needed to be there to begin with. No, I'm sorry, GV...this unfolding story just does not pass the smell test.

I'm not saying it didn't happen as the accuser alleges. I'm also not saying it did. It would appear that the first word of this came out back in 2012. Six years ago. Why wait until now to pursue it? Once the horse was out of the barn, why not deal with it then? Was it because JK was only on a U.S. Circuit Court? Who decided to sit on it just in case they needed it later?

Because someone clearly did just that. But who? The accuser? The Dem machine? DiFi? Answer that, and now you know the "why" of it all.

FYI, there is a female in my immediate family who was sexually assaulted...let's just say "date raped"...when she was young. Very young. She never told anyone until years later. It was another year or two before I found out. The statute of limitations has passed. If it were not against the law, I would find him...and he would answer for what he did. So don't think I'm making light of the accuser, or the accusation. I'm not.

But the timeline here suggests to anyone with an independent mind that there is more in play here than the pursuit of justice. Which is par for the course where politics is concerned.

If this was going to be an issue, it should have been an issue 6 years ago when it came to light.

Time to vote.
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I agree with you GW but the information was still client privilege in 2012. She disclosed it then to her couples therapist I believe. But it was not public. It was first disclosed when the accuser wrote a letter to Feinstein in July this year after K was nominated.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Here, we disagree. Accepting the fact, and it is fact, that this is little more than a delaying tactic by liberal Dems...we are left with the question "what's to investigate?" It's here that your argument falls short.

So at some point in the (early) 1980's, a bunch of teens, some of them liquored up, are at a party at a house where no adults are present, and a girl finds herself in a position where are couple (or four) young horny lads allegedly (remember that word) try to take their liberties with her. No excuse for it, but this is not exactly a unique or rarely-occuring event.

You ever try to get to third base and get your hand slapped? Me too. Should I go ahead and get an attorney?

If it happened, and it's her word against the rest of those who were (allegedly, again) there, it was wrong. Criminal? Perhaps now, but not back then, and at this point it's beyond the reach of the criminal justice system, if it ever needed to be there to begin with. No, I'm sorry, GV...this unfolding story just does not pass the smell test.

I'm not saying it didn't happen as the accuser alleges. I'm also not saying it did. It would appear that the first word of this came out back in 2012. Six years ago. Why wait until now to pursue it? Once the horse was out of the barn, why not deal with it then? Was it because JK was only on a U.S. Circuit Court? Who decided to sit on it just in case they needed it later?

Because someone clearly did just that. But who? The accuser? The Dem machine? DiFi? Answer that, and now you know the "why" of it all.

FYI, there is a female in my immediate family who was sexually assaulted...let's just say "date raped"...when she was young. Very young. She never told anyone until years later. It was another year or two before I found out. The statute of limitations has passed. If it were not against the law, I would find him...and he would answer for what he did. So don't think I'm making light of the accuser, or the accusation. I'm not.

But the timeline here suggests to anyone with an independent mind that there is more in play here than the pursuit of justice. Which is par for the course where politics is concerned.

If this was going to be an issue, it should have been an issue 6 years ago when it came to light.

Time to vote.
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Only one problem here.

It didn't come out in 2012. She talked about it with a therapist in 2012.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Only one problem here.

It didn't come out in 2012. She talked about it with a therapist in 2012.
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To you and ND40: I stand corrected. But it was out. She took that first difficult step, and she had the option...and if seeking justice was the goal...the obligation to report it to authorities then. Six years ago.

And she didn't. Instead, she sends a letter (did I get this part right?) to DiFi in July? And then Difi sits on it until now.

Why, I ask you, would a female United States Senator, who took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States fail to act, immediately, having been made aware of such a serious allegation against a sitting member of the Judicial Branch?

Sorry, still doesn't pass the smell test. And no, it doesn't help that the victim/accuser is a Democrat. And that's what this boils down to. Partisan politics.

Three words for you: Salem Witch Trials.

If...IF...the alleged event occurred exactly as alleged, it would be a travesty of justice for JK to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States. But if it did not, then you can forget ever having a qualified candidate for high office ever appointed again. Because all someone has to do is yell "Witch!", and the mob will handle it from there.

There is a reason why our justice system is designed the way it is. Merry Olde England says "Hi, remember me?"

Cui Bono?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Only one problem here.

It didn't come out in 2012. She talked about it with a therapist in 2012.
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And in the therapist notes there was no mention of Kavanaugh even though kavanaugh and "her husband" said she mentioned his name often..per CNN..so..obviously this entire story is bullsh!!t.

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I'm going with this is just another Xanax fueled middle aged women's rape fantasy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
This matters? Plenty of women have been sexually assaulted while intoxicated. Doesn't make them any less of a victim than the sober ones. Unless, of course, you want to play the card of "she was asking for it/shouldn't have been so whoreish/known what she was getting into/etc."

No, don't bring up Bill Clinton either. And no, Kavanaugh isn't guilty in my mind until the entire truth comes out.

Let an investigation come out. Let the truth come out. Regardless, the vote will be put on hold until this is cleared up. Or else the slim majority lead the GOP currently has in the Senate will evaporate quicker than an ice cube in hell.
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EXCLUSIVE – Classmate Named in Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Accusation Stands by Denial of ‘Absolutely Nuts’ Allegations

Mark Judge, a writer in Washington, D.C., has reiterated his strong denial of allegations that he watched as Brett M. Kavanaugh allegedly sexually assaulted a girl when he and Kavanaugh attended a party while they were in high school more than three decades ago.

The accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, claims that she was able to escape when Judge jumped on top of her and Kavanaugh and dislodged the two. She went public with an on record account in a story published Sunday in the Washington Post.

Judge was Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School. The Poststory claims that Kavanaugh and Judge were both “stumbling drunk” when the two, as the Post characterized it, “corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County.”

Now that Ford’s name and more details about her allegations were released in the Poststory, Judge reiterated his denial:

“Now that the anonymous person has been identified and has spoken to the press, I repeat my earlier statement that I have no recollection of any of the events described in today’s Post article or attributed to her letter,” he said in a statement to Breitbart News.

Before Ford’s name was publicly released on Sunday, Judge strongly denied that the incident ever occurred. “It’s just absolutely nuts. I never saw Brett act that way,” Judge said to the Weekly Standard, addressing allegations that at the time stemmed from reports citing an unnamed woman.

EXCLUSIVE – Classmate Named in Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Accusation Stands by Denial of ‘Absolutely Nuts’ Allegations | Breitbart
 
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This stuff with Kavanaugh has me thinking where does this #MeToo chaos end?

Particularly for these political or celebrity perpetrators or should I say victims? Since this whole movement started we are having people lose there jobs etc.. just on being accused no proof, no investigation, no trials just being accused and a lot of them are for things that happened 30-35 years ago.

I ask where does it end or how for back to we go. This Kavanaugh accusation he was apparently 17 years old and in High School back then it would probably have been said they were just being kids.

In the future do we go back and find out if some poor fella running for office or an appointed position kissed another little girl against her will on the play ground (sexual assault?) or pulled her pigtails (assault or battery?) when he was in elementary school? It sounds crazy but that seems to be the point some on the uber-left want to go. We have seen stories in the past year of should babies have there diapers changed or should kids be held or hugged or kissed without their consent from parents or grandparents etc..





 
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CagleMtnVol said:
This stuff with Kavanaugh has me thinking where does this #MeToo chaos end?

Particularly for these political or celebrity perpetrators or should I say victims? Since this whole movement started we are having people lose there jobs etc.. just on being accused no proof, no investigation, no trials just being accused and a lot of them are for things that happened 30-35 years ago.

I ask where does end it end or how for back to we go. This stuff with Kavanaugh he was apparently 17 years old and in High School back then it would probably have been said they were just being kids.

In the future do we go back and find out if some poor fella running for office or an appointed position kissed another little girl against her will on the play ground or pulled her pigtails when he was elementary school? It sounds crazy but that seems to be the point some on the uber-left want to go. We have seen stories in the past year of should babies have there diapers changed or should kids be held or hugged or kissed without their consent from parents or grandparents etc..





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Bingo.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
To you and ND40: I stand corrected. But it was out. She took that first difficult step, and she had the option...and if seeking justice was the goal...the obligation to report it to authorities then. Six years ago.

And she didn't. Instead, she sends a letter (did I get this part right?) to DiFi in July? And then Difi sits on it until now.

Why, I ask you, would a female United States Senator, who took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States fail to act, immediately, having been made aware of such a serious allegation against a sitting member of the Judicial Branch?

Sorry, still doesn't pass the smell test. And no, it doesn't help that the victim/accuser is a Democrat. And that's what this boils down to. Partisan politics.

Three words for you: Salem Witch Trials.

If...IF...the alleged event occurred exactly as alleged, it would be a travesty of justice for JK to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States. But if it did not, then you can forget ever having a qualified candidate for high office ever appointed again. Because all someone has to do is yell "Witch!", and the mob will handle it from there.

There is a reason why our justice system is designed the way it is. Merry Olde England says "Hi, remember me?"

Cui Bono?
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Again I agree with you GW.
 
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I bet Phil Bredesen would vote AGAINST Kavanaugh, and if elected in November, he will vote NO on President Trump's next supreme court nominee.
 
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I’m still struggling with if you actually fear for your life how do you not immediately seek protection? At the party? From police? From SOMEBODY?!

But “oh well I got away no threat now...”

Does. Not. Compute.
 
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Brother, it's not about who's right or wrong...or even who we do or don't agree with. You know that I hold you and GV in the highest regard. And we can be friends but still yet have differing opinions on polarizing topics, such as this one.

For me, this just does not pass the smell test. And those of us who believe in the Rule of Law, Due Process, etc. are in danger of having our beliefs, and our opinions, compromised by a never-ending assault on our sensibilities by those who understand that the key to turning the mind is by tapping the emotions. You and I would gladly serve on the jury of a "beyond all doubt" rapist. If the law allowed, we would pull the switch ourselves. We believe in the Ten Commandments, Justice for All, and An Eye for an Eye. And that's where they get us. They tap into those emotions, knowing we will have a conditioned response.

You took the bait. No shame there. I've done it as well. If this reads like a lecture, consider it a confession instead.

It doesn't pass the smell test for me. Simple as that. This is not about what JK did, it's about what he might do as a member of the Supreme Court of the United States. That, IMO, is what scares the Democrats, and the liberals, the most. That's why this is news.

I could be wrong, but something tells me I'm not.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll agree the Feinstein move was purely partisan. Nobody can argue against that. No matter how much mental gymnastics they try, the simple fact remains she sat on this report for nearly six weeks and then turned it over to the FBI, very publicly mind you, without additional information for them to go on.

Partisan as ****. Anyone want to argue? No? Good. And before @lawgator1 tosses in the "rock and a hard place" talking point, had Feinstein brought it to the Committee back in August without any names, dates or anything she "redacted for privacy" the whole thing would have been seen as a delaying tactic. And for a valid reason as those kinds of letters could be written by any kook living in Mom's basement with nothing better to do with their time.

Now? We have a face and a name. And her side of the story. As for her side of the story, more than a few victims don't recall each and every detail of what happened. But they sure as hell remember it happened. And, again, different age back then where such things even if they were reported to the police would be laughed off. Or end in a extremely minor slap on the wrist for the aggressor.

And yes, more than a few of those being sexually assaulted "fear" for their lives even if they aren't realistically in any danger. It's a ingrained primordial response of being violated against one's will. The worst thoughts ever play out in one's head. They don't know that for certain, but that's the fear one possesses when these things happen.

Now the proverbial cat is out of the bag, there does need to be a law enforcement inquiry done into this, even 35 years later. We are far beyond the statute of criminal limitations on this according to several sources, but the inquiry needs to be done. Regardless, the simple fact remains, it's an allegation that must be looked into before the confirmation continues.
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The Feinstein act of it aside, I agree. And yes, even if partisan as to timing, it needs to be looked into.

Here's the thing. Kavanaugh says categorically that it did not happen. Using the words of Spcer, PERIOD.

So what happens if a Senator decides she believes the accuser? That necessarily means he's lying. Serious or not, disqualifying or not, I can't see him getting confirmed if people decide she's telling the truth.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Brother, it's not about who's right or wrong...or even who we do or don't agree with. You know that I hold you and GV in the highest regard. And we can be friends but still yet have differing opinions on polarizing topics, such as this one.

For me, this just does not pass the smell test. And those of us who believe in the Rule of Law, Due Process, etc. are in danger of having our beliefs, and our opinions, compromised by a never-ending assault on our sensibilities by those who understand that the key to turning the mind is by tapping the emotions. You and I would gladly serve on the jury of a "beyond all doubt" rapist. If the law allowed, we would pull the switch ourselves. We believe in the Ten Commandments, Justice for All, and An Eye for an Eye. And that's where they get us. They tap into those emotions, knowing we will have a conditioned response.

You took the bait. No shame there. I've done it as well. If this reads like a lecture, consider it a confession instead.

It doesn't pass the smell test for me. Simple as that. This is not about what JK did, it's about what he might do as a member of the Supreme Court of the United States. That, IMO, is what scares the Democrats, and the liberals, the most. That's why this is news.

I could be wrong, but something tells me I'm not.
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Listen if there is irrefutable evidence he did this then pin his ass to the wall. I’ll bring the pins even.

But I do agree it’s off. Like I said above how do you go from fearing for your life to just dropping it for 30 years?! No f-ing way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The Feinstein act of it aside, I agree. And yes, even if partisan as to timing, it needs to be looked into.

Here's the thing. Kavanaugh says categorically that it did not happen. Using the words of Spcer, PERIOD.

So what happens if a Senator decides she believes the accuser? That necessarily means he's lying. Serious or not, disqualifying or not, I can't see him getting confirmed if people decide she's telling the truth.
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This is BS and there’s no other conclusion.
It was held till now. If the alleged victim wanted it out then she should have said something to someone else when a week passed and nothing happened. If she was on board with waiting then she clearly wasn’t that upset about it. Either way she knew the deadline and didn’t push the issue.

I say this should be a lesson to those who were really harmed. If you want justice then don’t play it as a game.
 
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