Just looking through the Fire Pruitt....

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rikberry31 said:
It is not perfectly reasonable to want to fire a coach after less than a year and a half on the job. Totally unreasonable to anyone who has a basic understanding of the situation and the game. Not to mention that is an economic impossibility. I can understand being upset and thinking ill thoughts but after a moment’s thought a reasonable person would realize the foolishness of it. Let's monitor the Arkansas situation for a while, I believe the current mess they're in will look like the good old days in a few years.
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Not saying you’re wrong, but if you are as sure as can be that a coach is not going to make it, is there anything to be gained by keeping them longer? Obviously every situation is a little different, but did we gain anything by Dooley staying another year, when it was pretty obvious he wasn’t going to make it after his second year. FSU and Arkansas are going to be pretty good test cases.
 
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thehill98 said:
Not saying you’re wrong, but if you are as sure as can be that a coach is not going to make it, is there anything to be gained by keeping them longer? Obviously every situation is a little different, but did we gain anything by Dooley staying another year, when it was pretty obvious he wasn’t going to make it after his second year. FSU and Arkansas are going to be pretty good test cases.
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True, its also gonna be a good test case on what the market is now on a buyout to coach at FSU.
What we do know is they are willing to fire a guy in the middle of year 2, and pay him 20 mil to leave.
 
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thehill98 said:
Not saying you’re wrong, but if you are as sure as can be that a coach is not going to make it, is there anything to be gained by keeping them longer? Obviously every situation is a little different, but did we gain anything by Dooley staying another year, when it was pretty obvious he wasn’t going to make it after his second year. FSU and Arkansas are going to be pretty good test cases.
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The only way I think it is rational to fire a coach before two years is for cause. In other words he commits a crime, school policy, or NCAA violation. Our lost decade is the result of the unreasonable firing of a coach.

Both AD's at FSU and Arkansas are not football guys and they probably are going to end up like us under Hamilton. Lane was a really bad hire that was the result of irrationally firing the coach (scares away top notch candidates) and an AD that had no clue.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I’m saying we did not have problems elsewhere but the inferior Qb play was easily the No. 1 weakness in the first two games. It is beyond debate it was so obvious.
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JG is at this point the best QB we have. Period by any metric. He completes at a significantly higher percentage, for more yards per attempt or completion, takes less sacks, throws more tds and less ints. Also gets less concussions per snap.

Find another QB on our roster that can do better. 2 have tried and both have out up much worse numbers than him. Their best games do not even compare to his average ones. This is a fact numbers so not lie. You can't go strictly on stats I know but when the numbers are this skewed you can. I'm talking a 10% difference in completion percentage. The only stay either of the other guys beats him at is rushing and that's by a negligible amount. I've posted the numbers in the past so won't bother now look them up. Actually since I last posted they have gotten even more in his favor. By the numbers if JG never gets benched JJ is looking at being a shoe in all American instead of All SEC second team. I honestly think he should make first team on intangibles myself.

Let me Crystal clear. I don't think JG is a great QB. I think he's a well above average college QB and the best one we currently have on our team and he's earned the right to be our starter. We can all wish he was better but you can't replace someone with someone that's not better. There is a reason they keep bringing him off the bench they try the other guys and they don't get the job done and/or get hurt.
 
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pimo1 said:
JG is at this point the best QB we have. Period by any metric. He completes at a significantly higher percentage, for more yards per attempt or completion, takes less sacks, throws more tds and less ints. Also gets less concussions per snap.

Find another QB on our roster that can do better. 2 have tried and both have out up much worse numbers than him. Their best games do not even compare to his average ones. This is a fact numbers so not lie. You can't go strictly on stats I know but when the numbers are this skewed you can. I'm talking a 10% difference in completion percentage. The only stay either of the other guys beats him at is rushing and that's by a negligible amount. I've posted the numbers in the past so won't bother now look them up. Actually since I last posted they have gotten even more in his favor. By the numbers if JG never gets benched JJ is looking at being a shoe in all American instead of All SEC second team. I honestly think he should make first team on intangibles myself.

Let me Crystal clear. I don't think JG is a great QB. I think he's a well above average college QB and the best one we currently have on our team and he's earned the right to be our starter. We can all wish he was better but you can't replace someone with someone that's not better. There is a reason they keep bringing him off the bench they try the other guys and they don't get the job done and/or get hurt.
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JG is not the the best Qb as Maurer and Shrout have clearly shown they are better. Both Maurer and Shrout are getting the hook sooner than they should.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
JG is not the the best Qb as Maurer and Shrout have clearly shown they are better. Both Maurer and Shrout are getting the hook sooner than they should.
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im just gonna LOL, yup lots better not sure what games you are watching but bless ya bro if you can find anything better about these stats. I don't care what your eyes are telling you JG's numbers are good Maurers are terrible and Shrouts are meh.

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pimo1 said:
im just gonna LOL, yup lots better not sure what games you are watching but bless ya bro if you can find anything better about these stats. I don't care what your eyes are telling you JG's numbers are good Maurers are terrible and Shrouts are meh.

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I’ll repeat, Shrout and Maurer are getting yanked too soon in the last two games. I would easily have more faith in either one of them to take the Vols on a last drive down the field to beat Mizzou.
 
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rikberry31 said:
The only way I think it is rational to fire a coach before two years is for cause. In other words he commits a crime, school policy, or NCAA violation. Our lost decade is the result of the unreasonable firing of a coach.

Both AD's at FSU and Arkansas are not football guys and they probably are going to end up like us under Hamilton. Lane was a really bad hire that was the result of irrationally firing the coach (scares away top notch candidates) and an AD that had no clue.
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You may be right about that, but it remains to be seen. However, the worse thing for Hamilton was having a knee jerk reaction to Kiffin leaving and then hiring Dooley. Taggart left Oregon after one year too, but they are thinking their lucky stars now that he did. Ideally you wouldn’t need to fire a coach after 2 years, but my question is in some cases, what do you gain by keeping them around another year if it you’re going to fire them anyway.
 
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thehill98 said:
You may be right about that, but it remains to be seen. However, the worse thing for Hamilton was having a knee jerk reaction to Kiffin leaving and then hiring Dooley. Taggart left Oregon after one year too, but they are thinking their lucky stars now that he did. Ideally you wouldn’t need to fire a coach after 2 years, but my question is in some cases, what do you gain by keeping them around another year if it you’re going to fire them anyway.
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If it’s really bad at the end of two years, I could possibly see parting ways with a coach, but I still think that is extreme. I believe the minimum is three. The early signing period has created this, the faint hearted panic and fire their coach mid season.
 
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We need to be a relevant in the SEC as we are an SEC team-we need to start winning in the SEC, cupcake games are great, they really boost ones ego (games like GaS and BYU-that we should have won) and our win-loss ratio etc., but where the rubber meets the road-in the SEC-we need to win the East at the Very Minimum, nothing less. We have far too many sunshine pumpers that are like giggling little girls-there hopes and dreams are centered around going to a bowl, any bowl, even the cheez-it, Idaho Potato or the Red Box bowl-they don't care. Bring up winning in the SEC, not the entire SEC just in the East-they start looking for adult sized diapers. What ever happened to the days when TN could and would take all comers-and send them home with an L after their names? Something might be in the water, who knows, but the fan base doesn't even want to discuss winning the East, or demanding we win in just the east (not winning our conference championship), just the east- anymore......sad.
 
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rikberry31 said:
The only way I think it is rational to fire a coach before two years is for cause. In other words he commits a crime, school policy, or NCAA violation. Our lost decade is the result of the unreasonable firing of a coach.

Both AD's at FSU and Arkansas are not football guys and they probably are going to end up like us under Hamilton. Lane was a really bad hire that was the result of irrationally firing the coach (scares away top notch candidates) and an AD that had no clue.
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I guess, based on your statement, you would have kept Dooley for at least another 3 years-or more? My solution is to hire a Great Coach to start with-Tennessee is not a training ground....
 
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Relax.

Trends are favorable now. That's all to the good.

Let's enjoy a Camping World Bowl or two before we canonize this guy.
 
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Whether we win 1 or 2 coming up, it's obvious the team is getting better. Time and talent will bring back relevance.
 
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No more stupid than crowning him the king cause they beat three bad SEC teams.

The win vs Ky dilutes the fact the team, while playing with good effort, made numerous poor plays & mistakes that would have lost most games. Is beating an average Kentucky now our goal?
 
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I40flyer said:
I guess, based on your statement, you would have kept Dooley for at least another 3 years-or more? My solution is to hire a Great Coach to start with-Tennessee is not a training ground....
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We had a great coach and fired him. CPF should have never been fired in the first place. We are paying for that mistake to this day.
 
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The biggest mistake we made, was firing Dooley! If you don't keep a coach for at least 5 years, no matter what, you are hurting your program. W-L isn't as important to building a program as having stability! Don't think so, just ask the experts on this very board! Getting rid of an employee that is failing to get the job done, is stupid, you need to give them four or five more years, they'll come around, just wait and see. Yes, firing Dooley was our biggest mistake, had we kept him, we'd be playing for a NATY!!!!
 
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kxtop said:
Just looking through these threads on here from a few short weeks ago...do we think that knee jerk/emotional reactions are a bit STUPID?!?!?
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I am not saying Pruitt is a bad coach, but he is far from proving he is a good head coach!

I would not get so excited about wins of teams all with losing records in SEC play!! Is the level you expect?
Miss St 2-5
USCe 3-4
UK 3-5
 
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