Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's unlikely to happen which is why I didn't respond.

But if you want me to answer fantasy questions then yes I still think he goes in the second round because there are enough teams with QB needs that would spend a 2nd round pick on him.
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So you are saying that Dobbs will be the first QB drafted before any other teams get their QB?
 
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What Jones did to Kamara, Dobbs, and Malone (until last year) should be considered a criminal offense. He has done the same thing to Berry, Byrd, and Warrior. He is a great talent evaluator, but a crappy strategist when it comes to talent. I think his record would be better if he game-planned on talent instead of scheme.
 
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Dougie_D said:
So you are saying that Dobbs will be the first QB drafted before any other teams get their QB?
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Not necessarily. Just that he would be a great value at that point that a lot of team would jump on.

Remember according to Todd McShay's rankings Dobbs is a late 2nd rounder in terms of grade while guys like Watson have high 2nd round grades so there isn't much separation in terms of value.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not necessarily. Just that he would be a great value at that point that a lot of team would jump on.

Remember according to Todd McShay's rankings Dobbs is a late 2nd rounder in terms of grade while guys like Watson have high 2nd round grades so there isn't much separation in terms of value.
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Dobbs' value is higher than normal because this is a turd sandwich of a QB class. Trubinsky, Mahomes, and Dobbs are only skyrocketing because of their potential. They would all normally be in the 3rd and 4th round of many other draft classes.

Honestly, offense is not very good this year.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He wasted him cause he should have done even more. Butch Jones literally waited until we were down 2-3 TDs before he started letting Josh throw the ball downfield or run the ball. His gameplan was always let me run Hurd right up the middle into the gut of the defense.

I seriously don't know how people can defend this. We all complained about it last year as it was happening. Butch Jones simply wouldn't let Dobbs go off until we were down by a lot.

We would have won more games more easily if he let Dobbs go from the start.
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Incorrect
 
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Burger said:
Dobbs' value is higher than normal because this is a turd sandwich of a QB class. Trubinsky, Mahomes, and Dobbs are only skyrocketing because of their potential. They would all normally be in the 3rd and 4th round of many other draft classes.

Honestly, offense is not very good this year.
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I disagree. This is an all-time great draft. Defense might be the stronger side of the ball but there is still a lot of talent on offense.

The class is more than fine at QB. Contrary to the prevailing narrative this year's draft has 2 surefire franchise QBs in Dobbs and Kaaya. Which I would say is typical. It also has one who could develop into a franchise QB in Mahomes. And then several who could be halfway decent starters/backups like Watson and Trubisky. Its not great but it ain't bad either. Its an AVERAGE quarterback class.

At RB this draft is loaded. At the top there are franchise runners like Kamara, McCaffrey, Conner, and Mixon. And the group is so deep that teams will be able to find good starters in rounds 4-7. The wide receiver group is average this year but it has a generational talent at the top in Corey Davis. The tight end group this year is exceptional. Maybe the third strongest position in this draft after safeties and edge rushers. Sick talent and the top and incredible depth throughout.

Overall this draft class reminds me a lot of 1996 (which is arguably the best of the last 30 years). Maybe not among the best in NFL history in terms of future hall of famers but definitely should be among the best ever in terms of the number of players who go on to be pro-bowlers. This draft is loaded with pro-bowl caliber players on both sides off the ball. In 5-6 years we'll all look back at this draft and go "WOW...that class was loaded." Tons of depth. Teams will still be picking up quality starters deep into the 4th round and possibly the 5th round.

This is a really good draft class.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If Butch Jones didn't wait until we were down by double digits to let Dobbs loose, those numbers would be even more impressive.

I can't wait to see what Josh does in the NFL with a coach that will utilize his talents for a full 4 quarters.
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Dobbs was simply atrocious to start some games and we dropped a lot of passes to start some games. You see, my friend, with an Oline as limited as ours, you have to stay ahead of the chains when the game is close; when we are down "a couple scores" the defense changes and things open up.

For example, v Texas AM we had an early 75 yard TD dialed up but Dobbs failed to move an inch and he fumbled the ball away to TXAM.
 
#1,009
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Injuries hurt the defense in the second half of the season. However, ineffectiveness in the first half offensively hurt us all year.

The offense was terrible until we were down double digits. And at that point Jones would scrab the failed gameplan and just let Dobbs loose and we would make a frantic comeback.

That and not playing Kamara more at the start of the year are facts Butch Jones will not be able to live down.
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Coaching had zip to do with why we were down to Florida early, execution was the issue. Dobbs was abysmal in the redzone and left a lot on the board. The int he threw in the endzone was his failure. You're just wrong.
 
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millst987 said:
What Jones did to Kamara, Dobbs, and Malone (until last year) should be considered a criminal offense. He has done the same thing to Berry, Byrd, and Warrior. He is a great talent evaluator, but a crappy strategist when it comes to talent. I think his record would be better if he game-planned on talent instead of scheme.
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Not in total disagreement with your premise. But, it struck me as funny that now the narrative is going to be "Butch Jones wasted Malone for 3 years". For the last 2 years we have all had to endure the "Malone is a bust" narrative. Then this season, he did pretty well, gets some analyst love and a strong combine and ... shazaaaaam ... Jones wasted a superstar.

I love VolNation! :thumbsup:
 
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volfan102455 said:
I completely disagree. Below is his final stats. Unless you expected him to do better than Peyton, he did just fine with Butch Jones as his coach. The only thing you could gripe about is that he did not play a full year his first two years but both those years started out as attempts to let him red shirt to focus and get ahead on the academic part of his college life.

And look he missed Peyton's record in 2016 by 8 yards.

  • Finished Tennessee career with a 23-12 record (including 3-0 in bowls) as starting quarterback, tying Condredge Holloway (1972-74) for the fifth-most wins by starting quarterback.
  • Set UT records for career rushing yards by a quarterback (2,160), career rushing touchdowns by a QB (32), single-season rushing yards by a QB (831 in 2016) and single-season rushing touchdowns by a QB (12 in 2016). His 2,160 rushing yards also rank 14th among all players in program history.
  • His 7,138 career passing yards rank fifth in Tennessee history and his 9,360 yards of total offense (7,138 passing, 2,160 rushing, 62 receiving) rank third in program history behind only Peyton Manning (11,020) and Casey Clausen (9,577)
  • His 3,781 yards of total offense (2,946 passing, 831 rushing, 4 receiving) in 2016 ranks second in Tennessee history only to Peyton Manning's 3,789 in 1997
  • Joined Mississippi State's Dak Prescott and Florida's Tim Tebow as the only SEC quarterbacks to record 15 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in multiple seasons
  • Is one of only four quarterbacks in SEC history to have 50 career passing touchdowns and 25 career rushing touchdowns. The others are Florida's Tim Tebow, Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel and Mississppi State's Dak Prescott.
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I wish I could like this a thousand times!!!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Butch Jones literally waited until we were down 2-3 TDs before he started letting Josh throw the ball downfield or run the ball. His gameplan was always let me run Hurd right up the middle into the gut of the defense.

I seriously don't know how people can defend this.
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I know you don't. Cause you'd have to have a clue of what you're talking about first.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I disagree. This is an all-time great draft. Defense might be the stronger side of the ball but there is still a lot of talent on offense.

The class is more than fine at QB. Contrary to the prevailing narrative this year's draft has 2 surefire franchise QBs in Dobbs and Kaaya. Which I would say is typical. It also has one who could develop into a franchise QB in Mahomes. And then several who could be halfway decent starters/backups like Watson and Trubisky. Its not great but it ain't bad either. Its an AVERAGE quarterback class.

At RB this draft is loaded. At the top there are franchise runners like Kamara, McCaffrey, Conner, and Mixon. And the group is so deep that teams will be able to find good starters in rounds 4-7. The wide receiver group is average this year but it has a generational talent at the top in Corey Davis. The tight end group this year is exceptional. Maybe the third strongest position in this draft after safeties and edge rushers. Sick talent and the top and incredible depth throughout.

Overall this draft class reminds me a lot of 1996 (which is arguably the best of the last 30 years). Maybe not among the best in NFL history in terms of future hall of famers but definitely should be among the best ever in terms of the number of players who go on to be pro-bowlers. This draft is loaded with pro-bowl caliber players on both sides off the ball. In 5-6 years we'll all look back at this draft and go "WOW...that class was loaded." Tons of depth. Teams will still be picking up quality starters deep into the 4th round and possibly the 5th round.

This is a really good draft class.
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You must of forgotten about 1989.

I don't see the hype with any of the QBs, all of them require massive amount of work. All the backs you listed are overrated, especially by you. You personally like all purpose backs, but they just aren't as capable to carry the load. The WR class is almost as bad as the QB class. The Tight End group will be good though.
 
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"Josh Dobbs - QB - Volunteers
CBS Sports' Dane Brugler believes that six quarterbacks will be drafted within the first 60 picks.
For reference's sake, the Cowboys hold pick No. 60 near the end of the second round. Brugler checks off locks in Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Pat Mahomes and DeShone Kizer, then forwards Cal's Davis Webb and Pitt's Nathan Peterman as two more that he expects to be drafted in the top-60. As for darkhorses to crash that party, Brugler named Miami's Brad Kaaya and Tennessee's Josh Dobbs as two possible sleepers to watch.
Source: CBS Sports Apr 20 - 7:58 PM"

Rotoworld blurb

Article:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-for-dallas-at-no-28-six-qbs-in-top-60-picks/
 
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Burger said:
You must of forgotten about 1989.

I don't see the hype with any of the QBs, all of them require massive amount of work. All the backs you listed are overrated, especially by you. You personally like all purpose backs, but they just aren't as capable to carry the load. The WR class is almost as bad as the QB class. The Tight End group will be good though.
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1989 had the best top 5 ever with Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, and Deion Sanders. But overall that draft was just okay. It did not have great depth.

1996 was better because of the sheer depth of talent.
 
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James K Folks said:
"Josh Dobbs - QB - Volunteers
CBS Sports' Dane Brugler believes that six quarterbacks will be drafted within the first 60 picks.
For reference's sake, the Cowboys hold pick No. 60 near the end of the second round. Brugler checks off locks in Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Pat Mahomes and DeShone Kizer, then forwards Cal's Davis Webb and Pitt's Nathan Peterman as two more that he expects to be drafted in the top-60. As for darkhorses to crash that party, Brugler named Miami's Brad Kaaya and Tennessee's Josh Dobbs as two possible sleepers to watch.
Source: CBS Sports Apr 20 - 7:58 PM"

Rotoworld blurb

Article:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-for-dallas-at-no-28-six-qbs-in-top-60-picks/
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Brugler has been behind the times for awhile now.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1989 had the best top 5 ever with Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, and Deion Sanders. But overall that draft was just okay. It did not have great depth.

1996 was better because of the sheer depth of talent.
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1989 also had a lot of great players besides the HOFs. This draft class will not be as good as either of those.

The reason why is that the quality of coaching in college football has gone down the tubes. What makes it even dire is that more players are leaving after three years. This is also why the quality of football is going in a downward direction. The NFL is the only sport that can cover up what is a declining product.

This same thing is actually causing Belichek to win as much as he does. He's a way better coach than his peers. It's also causing the massive flameout of the quarterback position.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I believe the team most likely to take Dobbs in the 1st round would be the Pittsburgh Steelers with the 30th overall pick. Remember Mike Tomlin was the only head coach at Josh's pro day and they apparently hit it off. And they are desperate for a QB given Roethlisberger's age and injury history.

As I reported earlier this week, the Los Angeles Chargers with the 38th overall pick overall in the 2nd round are prepared to take Dobbs. I guess the other teams in love with Dobbs have also heard this and are going to try and position themselves ahead of the Chargers if they want to get him. This might force Pittsburgh to just pull the trigger in the late 1st round if a bunch of teams are waiting in the early 2nd round for Josh.
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Good grief, where do you come up with this ****??
 
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I think the best fit for him would be the AZ Cards to sit a year or two behind Palmer, or come in if/when Palmer gets injured. Plus Bruce Arians is a QB whisperer. Inside in a dome I think that helps as well, plus great defense.

I think next teams are Steelers, Chargers, saints.
 
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I really hope I'm wrong, but I can't see Dobb's on an NFL roster in two years. He has the "stuff" but hes waaaaaaaayyyyyyy to inconsistent.
 
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Burger said:
1989 also had a lot of great players besides the HOFs. This draft class will not be as good as either of those.

The reason why is that the quality of coaching in college football has gone down the tubes. What makes it even dire is that more players are leaving after three years. This is also why the quality of football is going in a downward direction. The NFL is the only sport that can cover up what is a declining product.

This same thing is actually causing Belichek to win as much as he does. He's a way better coach than his peers. It's also causing the massive flameout of the quarterback position.
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I don't think it necessarily is "bad" coaching. It think it has more to do with the spread offense taking over the college game. It not only affects the QBs and offensive players, but defensive players too,

The players are rarely seeing anything schematic in college that resembles what the will see in the pros. Throw in the elevated athleticism and ability, and it is a huge step up to the NFL.
 
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