Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I disagree. This is an all-time great draft. Defense might be the stronger side of the ball but there is still a lot of talent on offense.

The class is more than fine at QB. Contrary to the prevailing narrative this year's draft has 2 surefire franchise QBs in Dobbs and Kaaya. Which I would say is typical. It also has one who could develop into a franchise QB in Mahomes. And then several who could be halfway decent starters/backups like Watson and Trubisky. Its not great but it ain't bad either. Its an AVERAGE quarterback class.

At RB this draft is loaded. At the top there are franchise runners like Kamara, McCaffrey, Conner, and Mixon. And the group is so deep that teams will be able to find good starters in rounds 4-7. The wide receiver group is average this year but it has a generational talent at the top in Corey Davis. The tight end group this year is exceptional. Maybe the third strongest position in this draft after safeties and edge rushers. Sick talent and the top and incredible depth throughout.

Overall this draft class reminds me a lot of 1996 (which is arguably the best of the last 30 years). Maybe not among the best in NFL history in terms of future hall of famers but definitely should be among the best ever in terms of the number of players who go on to be pro-bowlers. This draft is loaded with pro-bowl caliber players on both sides off the ball. In 5-6 years we'll all look back at this draft and go "WOW...that class was loaded." Tons of depth. Teams will still be picking up quality starters deep into the 4th round and possibly the 5th round.

This is a really good draft class.
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The QB class is pretty weak. Also, no Fournette? He definitely is a franchise RB.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I believe the team most likely to take Dobbs in the 1st round would be the Pittsburgh Steelers with the 30th overall pick. Remember Mike Tomlin was the only head coach at Josh's pro day and they apparently hit it off. And they are desperate for a QB given Roethlisberger's age and injury history.

As I reported earlier this week, the Los Angeles Chargers with the 38th overall pick overall in the 2nd round are prepared to take Dobbs. I guess the other teams in love with Dobbs have also heard this and are going to try and position themselves ahead of the Chargers if they want to get him. This might force Pittsburgh to just pull the trigger in the late 1st round if a bunch of teams are waiting in the early 2nd round for Josh.
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Yes, this is a legit option. Your screen name says it all about how spot on you are on Dobbs.
 
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ERvolsfan said:
I think the best fit for him would be the AZ Cards to sit a year or two behind Palmer, or come in if/when Palmer gets injured. Plus Bruce Arians is a QB whisperer. Inside in a dome I think that helps as well, plus great defense.

I think next teams are Steelers, Chargers, saints.
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While on the topic, Logan Thomas was once Mcshays #1 overall pick in a mock draft, he's moving to TE, working out at camp smothermuhson.
 
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dcm3w said:
The QB class is pretty weak. Also, no Fournette? He definitely is a franchise RB.
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Fournette doesn't really have elite vision or make you miss ability. Behind a good o-line he could be very effective. But I don't think he's the kind of guy who will make a team great himself. He needs talent around him.

I prefer Alvin Kamara, James Conner, Joe Mixon, and Christian McCaffrey over him.
 
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butchna said:
Dobbs biggest advocate bailed on him and the team after the Ohio game. ANYTHING is possible. :sad:
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D4H was trolling. Right before he was gonna reveal he got suspended for 2 weeks.

What bugs me is he is an admitted bandwagon fan.

Dobbs was fun to watch at UT and will be fun to watch in the NFL.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
D4H was trolling. Right before he was gonna reveal he got suspended for 2 weeks.

What bugs me is he is an admitted bandwagon fan.

Dobbs was fun to watch at UT and will be fun to watch in the NFL.
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I know the situation and you bought his cover-up. He's never not trolling btw. His schtick has got him the response his boring, mundane straight up posts never generated.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Fournette doesn't really have elite vision or make you miss ability. Behind a good o-line he could be very effective. But I don't think he's the kind of guy who will make a team great himself. He needs talent around him.

I prefer Alvin Kamara, James Conner, Joe Mixon, and Christian McCaffrey over him.
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i actually agree with this. the versatility guys like CM and AK provide are huge upsides.

Fournette, for as good as he is, won't succeed if not in the right system, asked to do the things that he's good at....and what he's good at, he's exceptional at. so i'm not poo pooing him.
 
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butchna said:
I know the situation and you bought his cover-up. He's never not trolling btw. His schtick has got him the response his boring, mundane straight up never generated.
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When he took pride in being a bandwagon fan, I kind of lost interest in his posts.

I agree, he trolls with every post.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Fournette doesn't really have elite vision or make you miss ability. Behind a good o-line he could be very effective. But I don't think he's the kind of guy who will make a team great himself. He needs talent around him.

I prefer Alvin Kamara, James Conner, Joe Mixon, and Christian McCaffrey over him.
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The NFL isn't about "making people miss" for 1st and 2nd down RBs. It is about hitting the hole for 4-5 yards, not fumbling, blocking for the QB and withstanding the punishment.

The "make people miss" guys are usually 3rd down backs who catch the ball out of the backfield.

The NFL is a completely different animal from the. Illegal game.
 
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EZE said:
The NFL isn't about "making people miss" for 1st and 2nd down RBs. It is about hitting the hole for 4-5 yards, not fumbling, blocking for the QB and withstanding the punishment.

The "make people miss" guys are usually 3rd down backs who catch the ball out of the backfield.

The NFL is a completely different animal from the. Illegal game.
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Regardless he's a guy who will be dependent on the offensive line he goes to. Behind a really good o-line, he can be really good. However, if he goes to an average o-line, he could be average. And that's not exactly what you want in a high first round pick.
 
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i'll put it this way, i do think Fournette is the type of player you can build around offensively, if you don't have all the pcs at the present time. he's good.

but if he goes to a place like that it might just be a year or two before you see it all come to fruition. if he winds up at a decent frachise with some pcs arleady around him, he could have a year similar to what Elliot had with Dallas...
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Regardless he's a guy who will be dependent on the offensive line he goes to. Behind a really good o-line, he can be really good. However, if he goes to an average o-line, he could be average. And that's not exactly what you want in a high first round pick.
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Same as everyone you listed.
 
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Burger said:
Same as everyone you listed.
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not to jump in on the defense here, but you could easily make a case that guys like CM and AK would have bigger impacts on the respective offense they land in, just because the are more versatile than LF. they can impact the return game, passing game, and run game.

LF, again, as good as he really is, is more or less a 1 trick pony. it's a good trick mind you....:eek:lol:
 
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jakez4ut said:
not to jump in on the defense here, but you could easily make a case that guys like CM and AK would have bigger impacts on the respective offense they land in, just because the are more versatile than LF. they can impact the return game, passing game, and run game.

LF, again, as good as he really is, is more or less a 1 trick pony. it's a good trick mind you....:eek:lol:
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I just think neither of them can take the 20 carries a game punishment. Especially not Kamara, when he was the feature back, he got hurt.
 
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Burger said:
I just think neither of them can take the 20 carries a game punishment. Especially not Kamara, when he was the feature back, he got hurt.
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i don't disagree, and i don't think he'll have to carry the load in that regard. they can get 15 touches a game though, and make a bigger impact than just being a feature back, which i don't think either one will be asked to be that guy.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
[Any RB] will be dependent on the offensive line he goes to. Behind a really good o-line, [any RB] can be really good. However, if [any RB] goes to an average o-line, he could be average. And that's [the case whether he is a high OR low draft pick].
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FYP. Ezekiel Elliott had a great rookie season because he played behind what may be the best O line in the NFL. Put him in Cleveland, though, and he would have been much less impressive. Same goes for any offensive player.

You really should think before posting some of this stuff. I fully expect your next post to be something like: "If Dobbs can just go to a team that outscores its opposition in every game, he will be an undefeated QB." Or, "if Kamara can go to a team with an offensive line that never lets a defender tackle him, he will run for a TD on every play."
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Fournette doesn't really have elite vision or make you miss ability.
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You are out of your mind. Is he Barry Sanders? Hardly, but watch this and tell me he can't see holes and make people miss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MKKnCz8OSc

Then of course there's the speed/power everyone already knows about but don't let the amount of the latter lead you to conclude he's a raging bull and little else.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Fournette doesn't really have elite vision or make you miss ability. Behind a good o-line he could be very effective. But I don't think he's the kind of guy who will make a team great himself. He needs talent around him.

I prefer Alvin Kamara, James Conner, Joe Mixon, and Christian McCaffrey over him.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Stuff like this proves to me you know nothing about evaluating talent.

Gallman runs high, has a skinny lower body, and is built more like a reciever. He's at best a 3rd-4th round prospect. Maybe even later if more elite guys come out for the 2017 draft.

The elite guys for 2017 are:

1. Leonard Fournette - early 1st round pick
2. Dalvin Cook - mid 1st round pick
3. Nick Chubb - mid 1st round pick (if healthy)
4. Jalen Hurd - mid to late 1st round pick
5. Royce Freeman - late 1st to early 2nd round pick
6. Elijah Hood - late 1st to early 2nd round pick

These are 3 down backs with NFL speed and NFL builds.
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(cough)
 
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I didn't feel like browsing through the numerous posts about Dobbs, so forgive me or not forgive me as I pose this question. Do you think that teams are possibly thinking that they can turn Dobbs into the ultimate weapon later down the road?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...fl-draft-it-all-depends-on-your-belief-system
"Dobbs is the perfect quarterback for stashing on the bench, force-feeding the offense and bulking up a few pounds. Then, after fixing his footwork and targeting system, he can be launched on an unsuspecting league as the ultimate franchise quarterback in a few years. If that sounds like a plausible solution to an immediate quarterback problem, then you are thinking like a true guru!"
 
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