Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not really. Its one part of what can make someone intelligent. But it is not an all encompassing test of general intelligence.
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Even ignoring the fact that you don't know what the Wonderlic is, what you're describing is a rather useful and efficient way to test intelligence. Being able to quickly recognize patterns is more indicative of intelligence than, say, rote memorization.
 
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Peyton Manning got a 28 while Ryan Leaf got a 27.

This is clearly not a test of intelligence.

And frankly there has never been a test for intelligence. The wonderlic is more about weeding out the guys who don't know anything from those that are normal. Its not really a measure of who is smarter than who.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Didn't you start a thread just the other day over AK getting a better score than other RB rated higher than him? As if it were something that showed he should be drafted higher and that you've "always known he was a smart kid". Which is in itself a BS statement about his intelligence and what you know of it.
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The wonderlic is a baseline test. Get over the baseline (20) and your good. Its not like the higher the score you get the smarter you are. Like others have mentioned its a timed test. And most of the questions are pattern recognition questions like an IQ test. Its a good way of separating those that are not smart from those that are smart. But its not a test where you can rank people by intelligence based on the score.
 
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bamawriter said:
Even ignoring the fact that you don't know what the Wonderlic is, what you're describing is a rather useful and efficient way to test intelligence. Being able to quickly recognize patterns is more indicative of intelligence than, say, rote memorization.
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I disagree. We don't even know what intelligence really is. Thus how can we test for it? Personally I consider creativity to be a big part of intelligence. Can you discover something or make something no one else has ever done. Creative genius is not something that can really be discovered from a test.

The wonderlic like all tests just measures one little slice of what we would call intelligence. Pattern recognition. And it does it in a timed manner. I personally wouldn't call the person who is the best pattern recognizer in the shortest period of time the smartest person in the world.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The wonderlic is a baseline test. Get over the baseline (20) and your good. Its not like the higher the score you get the smarter you are. Like others have mentioned its a timed test. And most of the questions are pattern recognition questions like an IQ test. Its a good way of separating those that are not smart from those that are smart. But its not a test where you can rank people by intelligence based on the score.
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It's not pass fail. It's not the end all be all. 21 and 50 are not the same.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The wonderlic like all tests just measures one little slice of what we would call intelligence. Pattern recognition. And it does it in a timed manner. I personally wouldn't call the person who is the best pattern recognizer in the shortest period of time the smartest person in the world.
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While intelligence can take many forms, what type of intelligence is more important for a football player than the ability to quickly recognize patterns? Creativity is all well and good, but I want my QB to be able to quickly read a defense.
 
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08Vol said:
Not if you have the talent of a top 10 pick. For Dobbs it will hurt his draft grade since he doesn't have that level of talent. Hopefully he interviewed well and a team falls in love with him and drafts him high
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Lulz..it won't hurt his draft stock at all. None of these QB's are top 10 pick worthy.
 
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When looking at teams who overachieved last year, particularly Washington and Colorado, you see they're more loaded at DB than anywhere else. The talent in those two secondaries put them each in playoff contention ahead of when many thought they'd be there.
 
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James K Folks said:
D4H talk to me about Sojourn Shelton
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I actually like him a lot. I didn't know much about him going into the season but he flashed during the LSU game to start the year. He's a little undersized but he is athletic and has good instincts. He reminds me of Brandon Flowers. I would say he's a solid 2nd round CB.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I actually like him a lot. I didn't know much about him going into the season but he flashed during the LSU game to start the year. He's a little undersized but he is athletic and has good instincts. He reminds me of Brandon Flowers. I would say he's a solid 2nd round CB.
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Well that's certainly high praise, I was just checking out some guys projected to be FAs and thought he was probably too talented to go undrafted. He won't go before round 5.

William Likely is an interesting prospect, one scout was reported to have said that he'd be the #1 CB in the class if he was 6ft, lol, not the most extraordinary endorsement but it does speak to how dynamic he is. With elite kick return ability and ridiculous athleticism he should find his way into the draft even without being able to workout, but he lost a lot of money coming back. A coach has to feel bad convincing a youngster from a tough place to return only to watch his 3rd round grade turn into a 7th.

This class of DBs is silly. Everyone loves Adams and Hooker at safety but I'm taking Baker to be the best of the group.

Love talking some draft. Draft week, Dylan Bundy dominating baseball, and two D.C. teams still in the playoffs (NHL/NBA)....a commitment from Martinez to Tennessee and this week will be just about perfect.

I'll pester you for a few more draft opinions later on. I can't find much of a consensus on JRM, I was hoping he'd run a bit better at his pro day, someone's going to get a perfect lb for this modern day NFL if his shoulder holds up. I need him in Washington. Actually my skins are so pathetic it's hard to root for a youngster to end up here, Dan Snyder is as big a douchebag as the world has ever known. I'm surprised he doesn't offer Saban 15 million a year, that'd be as Dan Snyder as it gets.

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Did you really think the Wonderlic was a test of intelligence?
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Not necessarily intelligence, mostly just fast paced critical thinking. Plenty of really intelligent people are slower, more methodical thinkers.


I'm sure he was actually just sandbagging though. Probably worried coaches would move him to the front office if he did too well :p
 
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ESPN NFL analyst Ron Jaworski is another expert that is high on Josh Dobbs NFL potential: http://www.phillyvoice.com/ron-jaworski-discusses-eagles-draft-options/

"People are asking, ‘Who’s the next Tom Brady? Who’s the next Dak Prescott?’ If I knew that I wouldn’t be talking to you right now. I’d be getting paid a lot of money by some team to do some scouting for them, but the guy I like is Josh Dobbs down at Tennessee. Good solid player, athletic, can throw the football. So if you say, 'Hey look at this guy. Dak Prescott went in the fourth round, Jaws, who’s the guy you like that might surprise some people?' This is the guy who might surprise some people.

"And Dobbs has experience. When you go to Bill Parcells, and we worked together at ESPN. Bill, when he talked about quarterbacks, he wanted experienced guys. He wanted guys that played three or four years in college, went to their senior year and guys that not only matured in the system, but matured as a person. They could handle the pressure. They could handle the huddle. They could handle the locker room. They could deal with the media. He liked those guys that had been the team captain, had been there four years or even an extra redshirt year, so five years. He liked those kinds of guys, and if you look at the history of this league, it’s probably better if you go that route. There’s always the isolated outliers, but for the most part, if you take that guy that stayed in college, gained experience, you have a better chance of long-term success."
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Looks like the guys at ESPN are big fans of what Josh can bring to the NFL. :)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Todd McShay also said he would go early in 2nd round if he doesn't sneak into the 1st round. He must be hearing the same things I am. He didn't wanna give away the team cause he has to uphold that confidence.
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If he's hearing the voices in your head, he must really be gone.
 
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Burger said:
He basically said Dobbs stayed in college.
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He is talking about maturity of a person as both a player and an individual. Given the media focus that is on the players these days, that maturity is probably more important than it has ever been.

Fans like to support a team and player that they can be proud of, off and on the field. The younger players don't always have that maturity.

I will say that all the Tennessee candidates appear to not only be good players but good young men as well.
 
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